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Defender2010

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If Apple think iOS 10 is something millions of their customers should update to...then maybe you should, especially when apps get updated for iOS 10, the experience will get even better! But if some of you want to be snotty nosed little kids about it saying "I know best" then do so, hell, what does a multi billlion dollar company know that a handful of lonely bedroom bound techheads don't? The arrogance here is overwhelming. "I don't like this, I don't like that!" - you will soon, and then you will hardly make a peep of resistance.
 

trifid

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If Apple think iOS 10 is something millions of their customers should update to...then maybe you should, especially when apps get updated for iOS 10, the experience will get even better! But if some of you want to be snotty nosed little kids about it saying "I know best" then do so, hell, what does a multi billlion dollar company know that a handful of lonely bedroom bound techheads don't? The arrogance here is overwhelming. "I don't like this, I don't like that!" - you will soon, and then you will hardly make a peep of resistance.

There are legitimate reasons not to upgrade, particularly the fact that there is a good chance the update will slow down your phone. Remember iOS9's promises of better performance? It turned out on older iPhones like the 4s there was noticeable sluggishness, stuttering, lag.

Apple ends up winning here, because the user is frustrated by the lag, so they go and buy a new iPhone. It seems there is a conflict of interest.

Regardless, buying a new iPhone is not a viable solution for many though, so, if the user wants to stay on an older version so their phone is remains snappy, is that 'arrogance' ? Of course not, it's common sense and the user is in his or her right not to.
 

Shirasaki

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I don't understand users like this. Your device is meant to updated. Not randomly sitting on some OS you the user have deemed the best. That isn't for you to decide.

Thankfully Apple has done a masterful job of implementing automatic updates, and update reminder nuisance, for users that simply ignore important things. 99% users will get the prompt, enter their passcode like a dutiful user, put their device on the charger, and wake up the next morning with as new OS. As it should be.
Then yes. You don't understand why there are still tons of iPad mini 2 stuck at iOS 7 for apparent no reason, for you.
They have an app to control something and it supports iOS 7. That app runs perfectly well and those devices do not need to do anything else. Hence, there is no need to update. I have seen such update notifications from those devices and yet no one even bother touching it.
So, go figure.
New stuff is not always better than old one.
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You didn't purchase the OS. You don't own it, or what version of it, runs on your device at any given time.

There is no excuse or reason for staying on iOS 9. That's foolish, ignorant, and downright stupid.
And assuming Apple knows better than conventional customers naturally is also another form of foolish, ignorant and downright stupid.
Even Apple can make mistakes.
 

Jay43

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You guys realize updates are no longer optional right? I mean realistically, speaking.

Starting somewhere with 9.2 or 9.3 Apple introduced a screen that takes up the entire iPhone screen which nags you periodically to enter your pin so your phone will update the next day.

Even if you go to manage storage, find the update installer and delete it, Apple will force re-download as soon as viable and re-nag you.

"oh but I still have a choice" Do you? Constantly getting nagged, annoying screen that disrupts your usage periodically?


How does that automatic download happen? You're phone has to be charging and connected to a wifi network right?

If so, my phone will never download it as I'm almost never connected to a wifi network :)

If Apple think iOS 10 is something millions of their customers should update to...then maybe you should, especially when apps get updated for iOS 10, the experience will get even better! But if some of you want to be snotty nosed little kids about it saying "I know best" then do so, hell, what does a multi billlion dollar company know that a handful of lonely bedroom bound techheads don't? The arrogance here is overwhelming. "I don't like this, I don't like that!" - you will soon, and then you will hardly make a peep of resistance.

Maybe some of the Apple users want to keep their own free will? Everyone's usage is different and it's normal that Apple can do a one-size-fits-all kind of solution even if it's what they're trying to do.

Some people won't like it. As far as I'm concerned, next time I need to buy a new mac, if Apple don't offer a laptop with a decent connectivity I'll have no other choice than going to Windows for the first time.

I'm steering off-topic but my point is that everyone is free to do what they like. So if someone wants to stay on ios 9 or earlier, it shouldn't affect your life in any ways ;)
 
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Donoban

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Some people won't like it. As far as I'm concerned, next time I need to buy a new mac, if Apple don't offer a laptop with a decent connectivity I'll have no other choice than going to Windows for the first time.

Oh man, trust me... You'll regret that decision.
 
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TurboPGT!

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And assuming Apple knows better than conventional customers naturally is also another form of foolish, ignorant and downright stupid.
Even Apple can make mistakes.
Nope, that is the dumbest thing you could possibly say...that a USER knows better than APPLE when it comes to the os and updates. Nope. Feel free to empower yourself by making pointless poor decisions if it makes you feel like you control something.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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Nope, that is the dumbest thing you could possibly say...that a USER knows better than APPLE when it comes to the os and updates. Nope. Feel free to empower yourself by making pointless poor decisions if it makes you feel like you control something.
Why? A user can't decide that a particular OS works better for them (for whatever reason) than some newer one?
 

dogslobber

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Being grumpy, stubborn, nitpicky, refusing to update because of a few pixels are different and not they way you like them to be displayed is also very ignorant (I've heard a lot of really odd and completely strange reasons why people say they refuse to update, and it's hilarious hearing them.) Updates happen for a reason. To move forward. Some people (especially some around these forums) seem to believe that the software should be exactly how they want it, right down to every single little detail. Where as those who live in reality and not in their own little bubble, go on and just use the devices as they were built and designed to be used.

If Apple wants to introduce new iOS themes then that's fine. But maintain the other themes by not forcing others to modify their usage. Some people don't want anything to change in the user interface. If Apple were to respect that point of view then that might educate others who don't understand resistance to change.
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And assuming Apple knows better than conventional customers naturally is also another form of foolish, ignorant and downright stupid.
Even Apple can make mistakes.

Steve knew exactly what was required better than customers. Apple in 2016, doesn't.
 
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ajiuo

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I'll stay on ios 9 until the next major security fix. As ios 10 "forces you" to use touch id which I don't want to use. That's already a no-go for me.

Moreover I have yet to find a useful improvement my use. But I use my phone as a phone that allows me to have push mail, do some quick surf if I need it and look for direction from time to time. For everything else I use my ipad. So that's probably really different than most of the Macrumors users.

iOS 10 does not force you to use Touch ID. You can disable it just like you can in iOS 9. The only difference is that you hit your home button to bring up your password instead of swiping. If your password is disabled then the home button will unlock your phone
 
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Nope, that is the dumbest thing you could possibly say...that a USER knows better than APPLE when it comes to the os and updates. Nope. Feel free to empower yourself by making pointless poor decisions if it makes you feel like you control something.
I'm not sure how you managed to get my username with a quote posted by somebody else. I didn't think MacRumors was that hard to use but thanks for proving me wrong, I guess.
 
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SoYoung

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iOS 10 notification center is so ugly that I have no choice to stay at 9 until a jailbreak comes and a tweak'k to bring back ios 7-9 notification center.
 

CSpackler

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I'll stay on my jailbroken ios 9 for awhile. Somehow the ability to customize my wifi icon supercedes any whiz-bang features iOS 10 will bring. ios 9 will be supported on older devices so not like it's going away.
 
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AustinIllini

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Why? A user can't decide that a particular OS works better for them (for whatever reason) than some newer one?

Very few users have the expertise to reasonably decide whether or not a device "runs better" or "is more secure" on an older OS. Far and away, the safest bet for your device is updating to the latest and greatest version.

And it is debatable whether or not you have the right to decide what OS runs on your phone. You own all the hardware of the phone you buy, but iOS is employed under license from Apple thereby allowing them to dictate what version of iOS is running should you decide to use it.
 

C DM

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Very few users have the expertise to reasonably decide whether or not a device "runs better" or "is more secure" on an older OS. Far and away, the safest bet for your device is updating to the latest and greatest version.

And it is debatable whether or not you have the right to decide what OS runs on your phone. You own all the hardware of the phone you buy, but iOS is employed under license from Apple thereby allowing them to dictate what version of iOS is running should you decide to use it.
People can decide what works better for them as no one else can make that call for them but themselves.

As for hardware and software and whatnot, while they can certainly limit what a device supports they certainly don't get to decide to just change what is installed on the device that a user owns and is using without user approval.
 

AustinIllini

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People can decide what works better for them as no one else can make that call for them but themselves.

As for hardware and software and whatnot, while they can certainly limit what a device supports they certainly don't get to decide to just change what is installed on the device that a user owns and is using without user approval.
Again, debatable. Depends on what is in the iOS contract associated with the license you purchased for your iPhone's software. You're probably right, but that's like saying "It's not a law that I HAVE to be vaccinated so I shouldn't". Software updates, specifically security updates, are the technological version of a vaccine which closes vulnerabilities that can expose your and other devices to attacks.

There is an argument that Apple should require software updates in order to streamline the security process.
 

C DM

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Again, debatable. Depends on what is in the iOS contract associated with the license you purchased for your iPhone's software. You're probably right, but that's like saying "It's not a law that I HAVE to be vaccinated so I shouldn't". Software updates, specifically security updates, are the technological version of a vaccine which closes vulnerabilities that can expose your and other devices to attacks.

There is an argument that Apple should require software updates in order to streamline the security process.
Whatever the "philosophizing" might be there, it's not how things are and doesn't really change what I mentioned. Not to mention that until there's some patching system that can only make security updates and not change or affect anything else in any way, the whole vaccination comparison is an apples to oranges one.
 

typicaluser

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Sep 15, 2013
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I don't understand users like this. Your device is meant to updated. Not randomly sitting on some OS you the user have deemed the best. That isn't for you to decide.

Thankfully Apple has done a masterful job of implementing automatic updates, and update reminder nuisance, for users that simply ignore important things. 99% users will get the prompt, enter their passcode like a dutiful user, put their device on the charger, and wake up the next morning with as new OS. As it should be.

It is totally delightful to see apple have customers like you and it's good for apple. While it's ok that you don't understand, it would be a disaster for apple if they don't. I personally dislike the way apple currently use to get me to update my iOS. Fortunately I could find a way to get rid of the persistent and annoying prompt. If apple wanted to keep customs like me, they have to make sure their updates are truly better in usability, performance and being capable of making user happier, not only more secure, than last ones being replaced, instead of present a notification that people can't dismiss once and for all. And yes, 99% users will get the prompt but I am afraid the 99% would represent a less and less exact number.
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I can't decide what to do with a device that I purchased? Are you kidding?

Not updating to 10 because: 1) don't like the redesign of notifications, control center, music app and what not, 2) avoid the slowing down of my phone which doesn't have an option of downgrading to an earlier firmware, and 3) have no use for 90% of the new features, including all the gimmicky features of the new iMessage.

I can live with the potential 'security vulnerabilities'. After all, haven't had any issue of such sorts since I first started using the iPhone.

No, thanks Apple, I'll stay with iOS 9.

Very convincing. I will simply let iDevice stay on the version that comes with it or do a major update once at most. One of the key reasons I prefer iPhone over android is iPhone doesn't slow down however old it is. And doing an update these days simply makes an iPhone more android-ish.
 
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