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afallnstar

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I’m kind of just getting into watches and the different styles. I find myself spending hours going down one rabbit hole and then another!

Here’s a kind of general question for the many watch enthusiasts here.

Is it wrong to have a leather strap on a diver watch?
I know the purists will say it’s wrong.
Screw the purists and do what you like.
 

AustinIllini

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Oct 20, 2011
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I’m kind of just getting into watches and the different styles. I find myself spending hours going down one rabbit hole and then another!

Here’s a kind of general question for the many watch enthusiasts here.

Is it wrong to have a leather strap on a diver watch?
I know the purists will say it’s wrong.
Panerai wouldn't exist if this were a requirement, but generally a diver should have a rubber strap or bracelet. Usually brands that do put leather straps on a diver will have an included rubber option.
 

44267547

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Living out of Detroit, we don’t have a Panerai repair depot here. Does anybody have any third-party recommendations that are certified/authenticated for a diagnostic? [I know, I know, that’s probably not the most logical route, but it would also be semi-fast, given I’m not a very patient person.]

Went to lunch with my wife on Friday, only to find my watch stop ticking, which was only like the second time I’ve worn it. So not too thrilled at this moment. It was actually relatively cold that day, and I’m not sure if that had anything to do with it when I was wearing it outside, but I know it was working prior.

Thanks in advance.
 

AustinIllini

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Oct 20, 2011
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Living out of Detroit, we don’t have a Panerai repair depot here. Does anybody have any third-party recommendations that are certified/authenticated for a diagnostic? [I know, I know, that’s probably not the most logical route, but it would also be semi-fast, given I’m not a very patient person.]

Went to lunch with my wife on Friday, only to find my watch stop ticking, which was only like the second time I’ve worn it. So not too thrilled at this moment. It was actually relatively cold that day, and I’m not sure if that had anything to do with it when I was wearing it outside, but I know it was working prior.

Thanks in advance.
Which model is it? How new is it?

Tapper's Jeweler in the Detroit metro is a Panerai AD so they can definitely help you. If the watch is less that two years old, you are looking at warranty work which is fine. If it is under warranty, I WOULD NOT take it anywhere else other than Tapper's
 

Dowjohnny

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Hey guys did anyone get in on the „moonswatch“ release? Would have loved to get one but found out too late and as always those damn scalpers camped every store out. So now the 250 dollar price is going for 1250 on eBay :(
 

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JahBoolean

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Hey guys did anyone get in on the „moonswatch“ release? Would have loved to get one but found out too late and as always those damn scalpers camped every store out. So now the 250 dollar price is going for 1250 on eBay :(
I'm heading to a Swatch store when I go out, to check whether restocking and relisting will ever be a possiblity.

Highly doubtful.
 

telecomm

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I might pick up a MoonSwatch a some point, but relax folks—production isn't limited, and Swatch is even planning to sell them online in the coming weeks (though with demand such as it is, it might be a bit of wait). See this Hodinkee article, for example, with remarks about future availability.
 

Dowjohnny

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I'll have no issue making myself as incisive as necessary if met with unfounded wit. ;)
Wish you all the best ;) Maybe you get lucky. I get really angry seeing the listings with scalper pictures on the ground of the parking lot or in their car right after purchase. Well, will have to purchase the real deal then, at least i can tell my wife i tried to get a cheaper option ;)

thanks @telecomm for getting my hopes up!
 
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Pilot Jones

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Hey guys did anyone get in on the „moonswatch“ release? Would have loved to get one but found out too late and as always those damn scalpers camped every store out. So now the 250 dollar price is going for 1250 on eBay :(

I'm heading to a Swatch store when I go out, to check whether restocking and relisting will ever be a possiblity.

Highly doubtful.

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Directly from the official Swatch Instagram account. They will most certainly be back in stock...possibly also online from the looks at their replies to some comments.

At this point, anyone who is mindless enough to pay thousands of dollars to a scalper for a plastic quartz watch deserves to get swindled ?
 

Pilot Jones

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I also have to admit that seeing this massive run on it kind of lessens my desire to have one..

I think people misinterpreted this watch's purpose entirely.

With this one move, Omega has signalled that they are done hiding in their ivory tower like most other watch brands. Just like Apple eschewing braindead elitism and realizing that the smartest move is to have a smartphone available at every $100 increment, Omega is tapping into the power of the masses to give its brand the kind of presence, publicity & goodwill they could never build just on their own.

While Rolex is so far up its ass that it can't even see straight anymore, Omega tapped into the masters of mass produced watches, Swatch, and gave the ordinary person a chance to own a very significant piece of horological history for an absurdly affordable price. This amount of positive sentiment towards Omega is long-lasting and will most certainly create a healthy association for anyone who wants to collect watches but doesn't have the means to splurge at the moment.

Imagine someone who is on a tight budget now who bought this as their first real, serious watch. When they are finally able to spend real money in a few years, why on earth would they not come back to Omega for at least a watch or two. The brand has now actively turned itself into a future aspiration for thousands of people who would've never looked in its direction before this.

I too like most people was mistaken. I don't think this was ever meant to be a limited run watch, that just isn't Swatch's MO. This is a way better move than most people thought would be and I applaud Omega and Swatch for possibly the smartest collaboration I've seen in recent memory.
 
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circatee

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I think people misinterpreted this watch's purpose entirely.

With this one move, Omega has signalled that they are done hiding in their ivory tower like most other watch brands. Just like Apple eschewing braindead elitism and realizing that the smartest move is to have a smartphone available at every $100 increment, Omega is tapping into the power of the masses to give its brand the kind of presence, publicity & goodwill they could never build just on their own.

While Rolex is so far up its ass that it can't even see straight anymore, Omega tapped into the masters of mass produced watches, Swatch, and gave the ordinary person a chance to own a very significant piece of horological history for an absurdly affordable price. This amount of positive sentiment towards Omega is long-lasting and will most certainly create a healthy association for anyone who wants to collect watches but doesn't have the means to splurge at the moment.

Imagine someone who is on a tight budget now who bought this as their first real, serious watch. When they are finally able to spend real money in a few years, why on earth would they not come back to Omega for at least a watch or two. The brand has now actively turned itself into a future aspiration for thousands of people who would've never looked in its direction before this.

I too like most people was mistaken. I don't think this was ever meant to be a limited run watch, that just isn't Swatch's MO. This is a way better move than most people thought would be and I applaud Omega and Swatch for possibly the smartest collaboration I've seen in recent memory.
Hmm, some very valid points here. Nicely said...
 

Pilot Jones

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Hmm, some very valid points here. Nicely said...

Thank you ?

I think if everyone just took a moment to be more mindful about these things instead of having crippling FOMO and getting swept up into empty hype at every opportunity, we as consumers would hold so much more power over companies in general.
 
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CooperBox

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I think people misinterpreted this watch's purpose entirely.

With this one move, Omega has signalled that they are done hiding in their ivory tower like most other watch brands. Just like Apple eschewing braindead elitism and realizing that the smartest move is to have a smartphone available at every $100 increment, Omega is tapping into the power of the masses to give its brand the kind of presence, publicity & goodwill they could never build just on their own.

While Rolex is so far up its ass that it can't even see straight anymore, Omega tapped into the masters of mass produced watches, Swatch, and gave the ordinary person a chance to own a very significant piece of horological history for an absurdly affordable price. This amount of positive sentiment towards Omega is long-lasting and will most certainly create a healthy association for anyone who wants to collect watches but doesn't have the means to splurge at the moment.

Imagine someone who is on a tight budget now who bought this as their first real, serious watch. When they are finally able to spend real money in a few years, why on earth would they not come back to Omega for at least a watch or two. The brand has now actively turned itself into a future aspiration for thousands of people who would've never looked in its direction before this.

I too like most people was mistaken. I don't think this was ever meant to be a limited run watch, that just isn't Swatch's MO. This is a way better move than most people thought would be and I applaud Omega and Swatch for possibly the smartest collaboration I've seen in recent memory.
An interesting post!
I too applaud Omega/Swatch for this collaboration.
Call me crazy but I wanted one of these, ideally the Mission To The Moon model, even though I have the real-deal (see my post #3581 and #3604).
My son called me from Canada the day before the official release and asked me if I thought they would be collectable and if so worth getting one. You can guess my reply. In fact I wasn't even aware of the masterfully marketed new Swatch editions.
An hour later I'd done all the research I wanted (as I normally would prior to the purchase of any watch), and was then on the phone to the nearest available outlet, this being Bordeaux - an almost 3hr drive away. Not surprisingly I couldn't get through, all lines were permanently engaged, so pre-ordering was impossible. Learning shortly afterwards that these watches were only available over-the-counter, I then called my son and requested if he wouldn't mind going into his nearby Montreal store and purchasing one for me and also for himself as a gift. I needn't have asked; he'd already planned an early trip the following morning.
Long story short, he was unlucky. Even arriving 2hrs before opening time he observed a soul-destroying queue the length of several blocks. Apparently even those queueing since 5:00am were also unlucky. But we now understand these are not planned as a limited edition, and will eventually be available on-line.
Why do I want one? Simple answer! I love wearing mine although I dont frequently, for fear of damage and or being mugged, especialy as the true Moonwatches in particularly the ST105.12 - precisely the model that accompanied Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong to the moon - are rapidly increasing in value. The previous CK2915 & CK2998 editions have already gone into the monetary stratosphere.
Plus the attention to detail of the new Swatch Omega cannot be ignored. I was especially impressed to note that it also features the dot diagonal 70 and dot over 90 bezel, tiny detail that identifies the true pre-1970 Speedmasters.
On reflection it's perhaps not so surprising that someone with a genuine Moonwatch is prepared to pay 250 euros ($260) for an Omega Swatch, after all one of the most iconic Omega Moonwatch ads during the 70's declared, 'How can a man in a $27000 suit settle for a $235 watch.';) Link.
 
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dhershberger

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I asked a friend who lives in Zurich to stop at the Swatch store on Bahnhofstrasse. I thought there might be an outside chance, but there was no chance. He was nice enough to stop in and check on his way home from work, though. The store clerk told him they were planning to be offered online so I'll wait my turn. If I were considering thousands for one on eBay, I would just buy a real Omega Speedmaster.

Regarding someone's comment about the location of Rolex's head: since they sell more watches than all other Swiss brands combined, they can afford to keep their head exactly where it is.
 

telecomm

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Regarding someone's comment about the location of Rolex's head: since they sell more watches than all other Swiss brands combined, they can afford to keep their head exactly where it is.
I think you may be thinking about Apple rather than Rolex here, or maybe revenue? In terms of number of units sold, Rolex is surpassed by a few other Swiss brands, and by a wide margin. Looking at 2020 data estimates from Morgan Stanley, Tissot sells three times as many watches as Rolex, Longines about twice as many, and Swatch nearly four times as many (all of which happen to be Swatch Group brands). Source
 

dhershberger

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I think you may be thinking about Apple rather than Rolex here, or maybe revenue? In terms of number of units sold, Rolex is surpassed by a few other Swiss brands, and by a wide margin. Looking at 2020 data estimates from Morgan Stanley, Tissot sells three times as many watches as Rolex, Longines about twice as many, and Swatch nearly four times as many (all of which happen to be Swatch Group brands). Source
Apple isn't a Swiss brand; I'm aware they outsell all Swiss brands - or something close to that.

The Rolxes thing... I could be wrong, but it may depend on the type of measurement such as sales by revenue instead of units. A quick Google yields links as was this:
or
These seem to indicate roughly 25% of all sales by revenue. As I said, I'll accept being wrong. I understood they dominate sales of the Swiss watch market.
 

Pilot Jones

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Regarding someone's comment about the location of Rolex's head: since they sell more watches than all other Swiss brands combined, they can afford to keep their head exactly where it is.

That was me.

The Transformers film franchise grossed nearly $5 Billion at the box office. That doesn't stop it from being a steaming pile of crap.

I feel like popular ≠ best is a fact that should not need to be explained.

Imagine having more disposable income than 7 billion people and still flagellating yourself in front of a watch dealer to have even the slightest chance of glimpsing at an overhyped steel sports watch that can be near-perfectly replicated by freaking Invicta out of all companies.

I have way too much self-respect to do that.

If I had $10,000 to spend, you best believe I'm going straight to JLC, Omega or Grand Seiko. I have no interest in "building a relationship" with an AD. I want to walk into the store, pay money, buy the watch of my choice and walk out.

Rolex rests on its laurels, while treating its customers like dirt. The only Rolex's worth buying are vintage, because those were the days when Rolex actually gave enough of a ****.

If you are one of those people who willingly buys 4 watches from Rolex in the hope that your apparently omnipotent AD grants you the privilege of finally buying the watch you actually want, you're part of the problem.
 
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Pilot Jones

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An interesting post!
I too applaud Omega/Swatch for this collaboration.
Call me crazy but I wanted one of these, ideally the Mission To The Moon model, even though I have the real-deal (see my post #3581 and #3604).
My son called me from Canada the day before the official release and asked me if I thought they would be collectable and if so worth getting one. You can guess my reply. In fact I wasn't even aware of the masterfully marketed new Swatch editions.
An hour later I'd done all the research I wanted (as I normally would prior to the purchase of any watch), and was then on the phone to the nearest available outlet, this being Bordeaux - an almost 3hr drive away. Not surprisingly I couldn't get through, all lines were permanently engaged, so pre-ordering was impossible. Learning shortly afterwards that these watches were only available over-the-counter, I then called my son and requested if he wouldn't mind going into his nearby Montreal store and purchasing one for me and also for himself as a gift. I needn't have asked; he'd already planned an early trip the following morning.
Long story short, he was unlucky. Even arriving 2hrs before opening time he observed a soul-destroying queue the length of several blocks. Apparently even those queueing since 5:00am were also unlucky. But we now understand these are not planned as a limited edition, and will eventually be available on-line.
Why do I want one? Simple answer! I love wearing mine although I dont frequently, for fear of damage and or being mugged, especialy as the true Moonwatches in particularly the ST105.12 - precisely the model that accompanied Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong to the moon - are rapidly increasing in value. The previous CK2915 & CK2998 editions have already gone into the monetary stratosphere.
Plus the attention to detail of the new Swatch Omega cannot be ignored. I was especially impressed to note that it also features the dot diagonal 70 and dot over 90 bezel, tiny detail that identifies the true pre-1970 Speedmasters.
On reflection it's perhaps not so surprising that someone with a genuine Moonwatch is prepared to pay 250 euros ($260) for an Omega Swatch, after all one of the most iconic Omega Moonwatch ads during the 70's declared, 'How can a man in a $27000 suit settle for a $235 watch.';) Link.

This was a fun read! Thanks for sharing.

It was truly utter chaos, I already knew there was no way I was going to beat those bloodthirsty scalpers so I just stayed put and was happy to hear that it wasn't a limited run.

As much as Swatch seems to have taken the lead on this collaboration, the amount of love Omega has put into this project is truly palpable. All those tiny details you mentioned that I wasn't even aware about.

I do remember seeing that ad! I'm actually severely disappointed Omega didn't parody such an iconic ad by creating a smart flip on it with the watch being the cheaper commodity now despite being the object of desire! ?

It's funny how Omega often gets joked about due to the perceived over-abundance of Speedmaster special editions and reissues, but this dinky, mass-produced, non-limited plastic quartz watch could just become one of the most beloved members of this prestigious lineage after the original!
 

richard371

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im looking forward to getting Uranus when available at retail. Its a fun color and will look very contrasty compared to my 3861 speedmaster.
 
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CooperBox

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im looking forward to getting Uranus when available at retail. Its a fun color and will look very contrasty compared to my 3861 speedmaster.
I agree the Uranus model is a fun colour, although I couldn't see myself wearing one. My wife.....perhaps.
As I mentioned it's the Mission To The Moon model that ticks all the right boxes for me, and if a family member ever offers me a Swatch of my choice it would have to be the Mission To Mercury model - well there's nothing wrong with dreaming is there!;)
 
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