Why Apple is successful

[G51989]

Apple makes the gold standard for laptops, smartphones, all-in-one PCs, mini PC and tablets. Any product segment they choose to compete in they are the gold standard.

I can think of Laptops better than what Apple puts out. That are also repairable

I can think of better all in one PCs.

I can think of better tablets

I can think of better Mini Desktop PCs.

And as far as Workstations go, my Workstation laughs the Mac Pro right out of the door.

It takes the mac pro, has its way with it, then goes in for seconds.

They used to Make the best phone, I love my 4S as my work phone, but my new Galaxy S3 blows it away.

Its all about taste.

You talk like no one can make something as good as Apple, thats not true. My Laptop will rape a MacBook Pro, expect for the display, which is awesome. But I need REAL hardware. And REAL amounts of Ram.

 

[boss.king]

Apple makes the gold standard for laptops

I'd say that could be Lenovo, depending on what you judge it for.

smartphones

They're up there, but that depends on your needs.

all-in-one PCs, mini PC

I'll give you that.

and tablets.

Currently, yes. The Surface looks interesting though, it should shake things up nicely.

Any product segment they choose to compete in they are the gold standard.

Desktop computers? They get absolutely obliterated there.

 

[G51989]

I'd say that could be Lenovo, depending on what you judge it for.

Yep, for Enterprise Class Laptops, there is NO substitute for Lenovo/Dell/HP imo.

They're up there, but that depends on your needs.

Great phone. Not the best, but I think its a good phone. I think Windows 8 Phone might be the next big thing.

I'll give you that.

I won't, HP's all in one workstations rape iMacs. The mini is needlessly small, runs hot, lacks an optical drive, and is overpriced.

Currently, yes. The Surface looks interesting though, it should shake things up nicely.

I think the surface is what the iPad should have been.

Desktop computers? They get absolutely obliterated there.

Yep, Apple has fallen behind the standard for desktop towers, the last really competitive one they made was the G5

 

[ChazUK]

Nonsense. I have a Bose Wave Audio and it has very nice bass.

They are not selling snake oil (or any Bose products/placebo effects) hoping consumers are stupid enough to buy it.

This.

You.... Just..... Called yourself stupid.....

Like a Bose.

 

[smoledman]

Name me one laptop that is as good as the 15" Retina Macbook Pro. I can't find a Windows laptop that has more then 1080p screen with a great trackpad, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, great keyboard and so on.

 

[435713]

And as far as Workstations go, my Workstation laughs the Mac Pro right out of the door.

It takes the mac pro, has its way with it, then goes in for seconds.

They used to Make the best phone, I love my 4S as my work phone, but my new Galaxy S3 blows it away.

Its all about taste.

You talk like no one can make something as good as Apple, thats not true. My Laptop will rape a MacBook Pro, expect for the display, which is awesome. But I need REAL hardware. And REAL amounts of Ram.

What workstation are you rolling with? 12 core I am guessing?

GPU side of things Apple is further behind, their CPU's in their lappies are as good as whats out there now. GPU obviously isn't on the gaming/heavier 3-d rendering stuff.

I never know about cell phones, maybe my nerd in me is failing me LOL But when I see the comparison on speeds of phones I see like less than a second differences on a lot of operations. I think blowing stuff out of the water and raping when talking about speed differences gets greatly exaggerated on the web to be quite honest. Just my view.

I will add in the stuff at ILM and those render farms are "blowing it out of the water" kind of stuff. Makes anything anyone here owns probably look silly. Pixar as well, and I believe they have been using linux cause of its lightweight for their movie magic.

On the GPU side of things it is absolutely true that Apple lags behind there, I have no clue why they have a 2 almost 3 year old 5770 in the Mac Pro. It should have a mid range workstation GPU or a GTX 680 at that price. Could even be $1999.

I dont think anything is the best it depends on needs. I will say I like the Galaxy line of phones and the upcoming Windows mo8 stuff should be nice.

Workstations I like Lenovo probably ahead of anyone else at the moment.

Laptops outside the Macbook line I dig Vaios (go figure) since they are pricey. Bang for your buck with good power are the DV6 series and the XPS 15 when they have those crazy deals and sell them with all the bells and whistles for like 1k. Sager I heard was real good if you needed a beefier GPU, or the workstation ones from Dell and HP of course seem to get decent praise.

But whoever is saying Apple makes the best of everything that is simply not true. It depends on the user. Like cars, whichever melts your butter the best is the best one...for your use.

 

[boss.king]

Yep, for Enterprise Class Laptops, there is NO substitute for Lenovo/Dell/HP imo.

Yup. For a personal laptop or for uni stuff I'd say the MBP is great. The retina one has an amazing display too, but they aren't always the best.

Great phone. Not the best, but I think its a good phone. I think Windows 8 Phone might be the next big thing.

IMO it's far too subjective an area to have one "best" solution. It's not a one size fits all scenario. Android has some great phones, Apple has a great phone, WP has great phones (hopefully WP8 will give them the bump they need). Calling one a gold standard is like saying orange juice is the gold standard in juice; there is no single correct answer.

I won't, HP's all in one workstations rape iMacs. The mini is needlessly small, runs hot, lacks an optical drive, and is overpriced.

I'm not really up to date on this form factor so you could be right. I honestly find the concept of an all-in-one or a mini-PC stupid anyway, they're a hybrid of a laptop and a desktop with the weaknesses of both and the strengths of neither.

I think the surface is what the iPad should have been.

I don't know, I think the iPad fits Apples model, but the Surface is the product I'd back. The iPad is about media consumption, where the Surface (Pro) can actually be the laptop replacement the iPad is touted as. Different strokes for different folks here, as with the phones.

Yep, Apple has fallen behind the standard for desktop towers, the last really competitive one they made was the G5

Maybe they will bring out something great next year (I believe Cook hinted at it) but it might be too little too late for some pros who have been in need for a while. Either way, it's a segment that I don't think Apple could ever win back.

 

[G51989]

Name me one laptop that is as good as the 15" Retina Macbook Pro. I can't find a Windows laptop that has more then 1080p screen with a great trackpad, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, great keyboard and so on.

Well, my Laptop has a 18.4 inch 1920x1080 screen, which looks fantastic, its got an overclocked 3rd Gen Quad Core i7 processor running at 4.1gzh, it has 3 SSDs, for a total of 768GB of space, in a RAID configuration, It has Dual SLIed 680M GPUs, for a total of 2GB of video memory. They keyboard is much larger than a MacBook Pro, and it feels great, its also backlit with a photolight sensor.

The trackpad is awesome, super responsive, does a couple of basic gestures, then again I'm typically on a mouse, because track pads are for failheads.

Oh yeah, it has a 3 year Warrenty inculded at no charge.

And I dual boot Windows 7 Ultimate, and Linux ( couple of distros ).

Oh yeah, my battery life is 27 hours. because unlike your Mac, I can hot swap batterys as long as its plugged in,.

 

[smoledman]

Windows laptops are only going to get to Apple level with Windows 8 due to the native trackpad driver. I would not buy any Windows laptop until November.

 

[G51989]

Yup. For a personal laptop or for uni stuff I'd say the MBP is great. The retina one has an amazing display too, but they aren't always the best.

Personal laptop, MBP is great. For real usage in an enterprise environment, just not gonna happen.

IMO it's far too subjective an area to have one "best" solution. It's not a one size fits all scenario. Android has some great phones, Apple has a great phone, WP has great phones (hopefully WP8 will give them the bump they need). Calling one a gold standard is like saying orange juice is the gold standard in juice; there is no single correct answer.

Pretty much, I just think Windows 8 phone, might be a hit. I've tried out the 7 phones gotta say...super impressed

I'm not really up to date on this form factor so you could be right. I honestly find the concept of an all-in-one or a mini-PC stupid anyway, they're a hybrid of a laptop and a desktop with the weaknesses of both and the strengths of neither.

Its a stupid form factor, its sitting on a desk, who the hell cares how big it is? if its to big, put it on the floor, I had one of those giant dell optiplex towers, to big for the desk in the dorm room ( had like 5 comptuers in college lol ), old orginal P4 and all that. It made an awesome foot rest under the desk.

There are other slightly bigger " mini " PCs that are more powerful than the Mini for about the same money, and you get an optical drive!

I don't know, I think the iPad fits Apples model, but the Surface is the product I'd back. The iPad is about media consumption, where the Surface (Pro) can actually be the laptop replacement the iPad is touted as. Different strokes for different folks here, as with the phones.

Yep.

Maybe they will bring out something great next year (I believe Cook hinted at it) but it might be too little too late for some pros who have been in need for a while. Either way, it's a segment that I don't think Apple could ever win back.

Apple has been losing the pro market snice they stopped supporting 15,000 dollar G5s 3 years after they came out.

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Windows laptops are only going to get to Apple level with Windows 8 due to the native trackpad driver. I would not buy any Windows laptop until November.

Some of us need REAL performance. Not bouncy icons

 

[thewitt]

Windows 8 works on computers 10 years old and runs every single feature the same as a PC bought yesterday.

...and requires 1 support tech for every 20 computers in an enterprise, plus hundreds of hours of downtime each year for incompatible drivers and other nonsense. I just made the mistake of upgrading to Windows 8. It took more than a week for the local experts to get me back up and running, and I still cannot access my shared disks since there is something wrong with the driver.

Macs are cheaper to support, easier for the majority of users to use and for IT staffs to maintain.

Millions more are realizing this every year, and that's why Apple is growing in every segment.

Will it ever dominate like Windows does today? Not likely.

It is however insanely great and continues to offer the best computing experience of any personal compute available today.

 

[smoledman]

...and requires 1 support tech for every 20 computers in an enterprise, plus hundreds of hours of downtime each year for incompatible drivers and other nonsense. I just made the mistake of upgrading to Windows 8. It took more than a week for the local experts to get me back up and running, and I still cannot access my shared disks since there is something wrong with the driver.

Macs are cheaper to support, easier for the majority of users to use and for IT staffs to maintain.

Millions more are realizing this every year, and that's why Apple is growing in every segment.

Will it ever dominate like Windows does today? Not likely.

It is however insanely great and continues to offer the best computing experience of any personal compute available today.

Who told you it was ok to upgrade to a Beta OS? I expect Windows 8 to have fewer driver issues then Macs due to the new class driver architecture it has. Read this:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/07/25/simplifying-printing-in-windows-8.aspx

 

[G51989]

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ch for every 20 computers in an enterprise, plus hundreds of hours of downtime each year for incompatible drivers and other nonsense. I just made the mistake of upgrading to Windows 8. It took more than a week for the local experts to get me back up and running, and I still cannot access my shared disks since there is something wrong with the driver. /QUOTE]

Yeah, its called a preview, its not ready yet. And how the **** do you know what Windows 8 needs support wise? It hasn't even been out in the wild as a product yet, in its final version anyway.

Macs are cheaper to support, easier for the majority of users to use and for IT staffs to maintain.

Proof? Oh yeah, Macs are bricked after a couple years, they last 4-5 years tops. No OS support = bricked in enterprise.

Millions more are realizing this every year, and that's why Apple is growing in every segment.

And they still fall flat on their face in the desktop/laptop PC market, both enterprise and home.

Will it ever dominate like Windows does today? Not likely.

It will never come close to Windows, Windows is a better OS for most people, Macs fill a Niche.

It is however insanely great and continues to offer the best computing experience of any personal compute available today.

Thats an opinion. Not a fact, for you it might be great.

OSX Literally sucks to much to let me do my job on it, it can only access 96GB of ram, that **** doesn't cut it for me.

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Who told you it was ok to upgrade to a Beta OS?

Indeed, its a Beta OS that was a preview.

The final version will be much better.

I don't think most people understand how complicated an OS really is.

 

[boss.king]

Macs are cheaper to support, easier for the majority of users to use and for IT staffs to maintain.

I usually refrain from posting comics but this was too applicable. It's a joke, hopefully no one takes offence.

 

[thekev]

Name me one laptop that is as good as the 15" Retina Macbook Pro. I can't find a Windows laptop that has more then 1080p screen with a great trackpad, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, great keyboard and so on.

You make some really bad comparisons here. The display just came out in a single model. Prior to that your options topped out at 1680x1050. Windows had a couple 1920x1200 notebooks a while back. I'm not big on the 16:9 trend across every display type (thunderbolt display is 16:9, so they're not totally against it). Anyway it was 1680x1050 or 1920x1080. Plenty of people still bought macs. Were the 1680x1050 options unacceptable? Are you suggesting such options will remain limited to Apple? This is just full of biased drivel. Make an accurate comparison for once. The rMBP display is really quite nice, but you're comparing a single computer model with a high price tag to everything else. Outside of resolution HP still has an arguably nicer display implementation on a couple notebooks, but I don't think much of
their consistency in other areas.

...and requires 1 support tech for every 20 computers in an enterprise, plus hundreds of hours of downtime each year for incompatible drivers and other nonsense. I just made the mistake of upgrading to Windows 8. It took more than a week for the local experts to get me back up and running, and I still cannot access my shared disks since there is something wrong with the driver.

This isn't any different from those who upgraded to Lion without doing their research. I recall the many threads about problems with things like eSATA as the driver development simply wasn't there. The issues you mention are OS agnostic. If driver support isn't there from the appropriate third party, you have a problem. The same issue exists if you buy Apple products from third parties, or make the mistake of trusting Apple for workstation graphics or raid cards among other things. These are not Windows problems. These are hardware support problems that you can encounter on Windows, OSX, or Linux.

 

[boss.king]

You make some really bad comparisons here. The display just came out in a single model. Prior to that your options topped out at 1680x1050. Windows had a couple 1920x1200 notebooks a while back. I'm not big on the 16:9 trend across every display type (thunderbolt display is 16:9, so they're not totally against it). Anyway it was 1680x1050 or 1920x1080. Plenty of people still bought macs. Were the 1680x1050 options unacceptable? Are you suggesting such options will remain limited to Apple? This is just full of biased drivel. Make an accurate comparison for once. The rMBP display is really quite nice, but you're comparing a single computer model with a high price tag to everything else. Outside of resolution HP still has an arguably nicer display implementation on a couple notebooks, but I don't think much of their consistency in other areas.

Exactly. I often use up to 3 USB ports on my laptop at a time, and a cheap VGA external display for my design work. How exactly would a rMBP be the gold standard in my situation? It would cost more than my entire setup now and leave me with an inferior experience. As you point out, it has a great resolution, but you're absolutely right, resolution isn't everything.

 

[smoledman]

Exactly. I often use up to 3 USB ports on my laptop at a time, and a cheap VGA external display for my design work. How exactly would a rMBP be the gold standard in my situation? It would cost more than my entire setup now and leave me with an inferior experience. As you point out, it has a great resolution, but you're absolutely right, resolution isn't everything.

So if I want to do Visual Studio development, which is the best laptop to get?

 

[boss.king]

So if I want to do Visual Studio development, which is the best laptop to get?

No clue, I've never used it. Don't even know what it is.

 

[AQUADock]

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OSX Literally sucks to much to let me do my job on it, it can only access 96GB of ram, that **** doesn't cut it for me.

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So you use more than 96 GB of ram? You seem like the person who needs high performce, macs aren't designed for that and you don't seem to understand the idea of them so arguing mac vs pc is useless.

 

[roadbloc]

I usually refrain from posting comics but this was too applicable. It's a joke, hopefully no one takes offence.
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This a million times over. My main computer needs up to date software support. I'm sick of my Macs only lasting 4 years before they're legacy models. I have a slightly upgraded laptop from 2004 running Windows 7 smoothly.

 

[G51989]

So you use more than 96 GB of ram? You seem like the person who needs high performce, macs aren't designed for that and you don't seem to understand the idea of them so arguing mac vs pc is useless.

Well, I'd be willing to bet I own more Macs than you, I've been buying them since the G4 1gzh towers came out, also bought a Pismo for college, had a used iMacG3, used that. Also bought a Dual 1.8G5 new, and a Quad 2.5 G5 new, and my most recent Mac is a 2011 27 inch iMac, just finally upgraded to Mountain Lion.

For me its,

PC: Work, Gaming, Massive amounts of media, heavy lifting. And I have some pretty epic rigs to do that work on ( though I guess the work rig isn't mine lol )

Mac: Media, Surfing, daily driver computer in the living room, looks cool.

And yep, thats why I said at least for ME ( I didn't say anyone else ), OSX litterally sucks to much to let me do my job, I use 220-245gb of ram every day. There isn't a mac in the world that can handle my software

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This a million times over. My main computer needs up to date software support. I'm sick of my Macs only lasting 4 years before they're legacy models. I have a slightly upgraded laptop from 2004 running Windows 7 smoothly.

But why use an machine that already works for you? When you can blow 3 grand on a new iMac! Its shiny!

 

[AQUADock]

Well, I'd be willing to bet I own more Macs than you, I've been buying them since the G4 1gzh towers came out, also bought a Pismo for college, had a used iMacG3, used that. Also bought a Dual 1.8G5 new, and a Quad 2.5 G5 new, and my most recent Mac is a 2011 27 inch iMac, just finally upgraded to Mountain Lion.

For me its,

PC: Work, Gaming, Massive amounts of media, heavy lifting. And I have some pretty epic rigs to do that work on ( though I guess the work rig isn't mine lol )

Mac: Media, Surfing, daily driver computer in the living room, looks cool.

And yep, thats why I said at least for ME ( I didn't say anyone else ), OSX litterally sucks to much to let me do my job, I use 220-245gb of ram every day. There isn't a mac in the world that can handle my software

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But why use an machine that already works for you? When you can blow 3 grand on a new iMac! Its shiny!

Ok you win. it's just that some people like gamers don't get the idea of the mac so they bash it.

 

[MonkeySee....]

The OP starts a nice thread on an Apple site and instead of people just leaving the thread alone if they don't have anything positive to say, they criticise.

MacRumours can be painful sometimes.

Thanks for posting OP. I also enjoy the whole experience and often go into Apple stores just for a browse because its a nice place to be.

 

[boss.king]

I use 220-245gb of ram every day.

Just out of curiosity, what the hell do you do that requires that much ram?

 

[Mord]

Nonsense. I have a Bose Wave Audio and it has very nice bass.

Bose do not innovate, they repackage off the shelf components and market them to those knowledgeable enough to think that with a bit of marketing magic and the placebo effect they're getting something special.

Don't beat yourself up about it, that sort of marketing works on countless others and I'm sure I and everyone else has fallen for other comparable examples with other consumer goods but Bose is what it is, certainly not innovative, high quality or value for money.