Why Apple is successful

[G51989]

I am going to have to disagree with you. At the core, all computers are the same but Apple takes the time to improve the user experience which makes their experience magical.

I don't think the OSX interface is any better or worse than a windows system, or a nix system with a decent gui.

If your impressed by bouncing icons, go for it. I'm more impressed by how something performs, now how it looks.

Its not magic, its a computer, that does the same thing as any other computer

 

[smoledman]

I don't think the OSX interface is any better or worse than a windows system, or a nix system with a decent gui.

If your impressed by bouncing icons, go for it. I'm more impressed by how something performs, now how it looks.

Its not magic, its a computer, that does the same thing as any other computer

You know that you can turn off the bouncy animation right? Also you have to give credit for Apple keeping every last bit of their UI consistent across the applications and settings. Everything looks the same.

 

[G51989]

You know that you can turn off the bouncy animation right? Also you have to give credit for Apple keeping every last bit of their UI consistent across the applications and settings. Everything looks the same.

To me, a ui is a ui. Its an user interface used to imput commands, then results spew out. Maybe I'm. Just agnostic. But as I said, windows, osx, and a decent nix gui all feel the same to me.

 

[smoledman]

To me, a ui is a ui. Its an user interface used to imput commands, then results spew out. Maybe I'm. Just agnostic. But as I said, windows, osx, and a decent nix gui all feel the same to me.

Except Windows 7 lacks consistency. Check this out:

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That's just awful.

 

[G51989]

Except Windows 7 lacks consistency. Check this out:

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That's just awful.

Here's the thing, they might look different. But they do their jobs very well.

I don't its awful at all. As long as its well laid out, does its job well and is easy to understand. I don't care it looks.

Looks don't affect performance or function, at all. It could have the windows 2000 ui, I still don't care lol.

 

[KnightWRX]

Here's the thing, they might look different

How is that different than Apple's OS X UI exactly ? Apple is notorious for their UI inconsistencies. Heck, ML is still full of them :



This has been the same since OS X launched. They never quite did the Aqua to brushed Metal change over before starting to modify some applications again. iTunes has always been quite inconsistent in its theming compared to the OSes it ran on.

Apple is no more consistent than the rest of them.

 

[smoledman]

How is that different than Apple's OS X UI exactly ? Apple is notorious for their UI inconsistencies. Heck, ML is still full of them :

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This has been the same since OS X launched. They never quite did the Aqua to brushed Metal change over before starting to modify some applications again. iTunes has always been quite inconsistent in its theming compared to the OSes it ran on.

Apple is no more consistent than the rest of them.

Stop it - you're breaking the narrative.

 

[G51989]

How is that different than Apple's OS X UI exactly ? Apple is notorious for their UI inconsistencies. Heck, ML is still full of them : .

I was referring to the actual picture he posted, yes the menu's look different. And I don't care.

I don't understand why people care so much about Eye candy in an OS. It doesn't make a difference in anyway, shape or form. As long as the OS can do what I need it, it can be command prompt for all I care.

 

[boss.king]

I was referring to the actual picture he posted, yes the menu's look different. And I don't care.

I don't understand why people care so much about Eye candy in an OS. It doesn't make a difference in anyway, shape or form. As long as the OS can do what I need it, it can be command prompt for all I care.

I see the appeal of eye candy. I'd take a pretty and functional OS over an ugly yet functional one. Sometimes consistency can make an OS more intuitive as you will always know what to look for and where to look, even in new applications.

Function is still more important than for though.

Also, if you don't mind answering my earlier question, what is it that you do that you need that much ram for?

 

[roadbloc]

http://minimalmac.com/post/426868529/what-apple-sells

What Apple sells begins before you even walk in the door…

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It begins before you take out your credit card…

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It continues when you get back home…

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To when you start it up…

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It's one magical experience after another. Notice I highlight the word experience, that's what Apple sells. Everyone else sells product, Apple sells magic.

Other than Apple having a different and slightly shinier and consistent look, I do not see the difference. If you think that is worth another £500+ on your purchase, for a computer that won't even be in support as long as a PC that costs much less, then so be it.

I'd rather save my money and have a machine that is supported for much longer. Much better experience than being blinded by shininess. Don't get me wrong, I like Macs, but to say their are magical is just nonsense.

 

[MorphingDragon]

http://minimalmac.com/post/426868529/what-apple-sells

What Apple sells begins before you even walk in the door…

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It begins before you take out your credit card…

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It continues when you get back home…

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To when you start it up…

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It's one magical experience after another. Notice I highlight the word experience, that's what Apple sells. Everyone else sells product, Apple sells magic.

That article reads like someone preparing a young virgin mentally before a long night of hard loving.

 

[G51989]

I see the appeal of eye candy. I'd take a pretty and functional OS over an ugly yet functional one. Sometimes consistency can make an OS more intuitive as you will always know what to look for and where to look, even in new applications.

Function is still more important than for though.

Also, if you don't mind answering my earlier question, what is it that you do that you need that much ram for?

I don't, maybe its just because I started out as a kid on a 3.1 machine/DOS.

For me, eye candy just doesn't affect my user experience at all.

Oh, sorry lol. What do I use that much ram for? I'll just summarize my job. I create really really really huge detailed real time simulations, of well anything the client wants, that's pretty much what the company I work for does. And thats what I do, putting even a simple one together is a massive undertaking. Running it requires some retarded hardware, it can be anything from a cargo ship, to a building, bridge, car, airplane, that kinda thing. Then once its all setup, you can expose your model to pretty much any kind of condition, its neat stuff. Tho I won't get into it to much. Just tried to keep it in simple terms.

But yeah, you need retarded fast hardware to run these software programs.

 

[MorphingDragon]

I don't, maybe its just because I started out as a kid on a 3.1 machine/DOS.

For me, eye candy just doesn't affect my user experience at all.

Oh, sorry lol. What do I use that much ram for? I'll just summarize my job. I create really really really huge detailed real time simulations, of well anything the client wants, that's pretty much what the company I work for does. And thats what I do, putting even a simple one together is a massive undertaking. Running it requires some retarded hardware, it can be anything from a cargo ship, to a building, bridge, car, airplane, that kinda thing. Then once its all setup, you can expose your model to pretty much any kind of condition, its neat stuff. Tho I won't get into it to much. Just tried to keep it in simple terms.

But yeah, you need retarded fast hardware to run these software programs.

>Retarded Fast

Does your job include simulating oxymorons?

 

[boss.king]

I don't, maybe its just because I started out as a kid on a 3.1 machine/DOS.

For me, eye candy just doesn't affect my user experience at all.

Makes sense, I grew up always having a GUI, so it maybe it's just what I'm used to. Probably just a bit or personal opinion too. I'm an advertising major so I spend quite a bit of time looking at visual layouts of stuff. Maybe that has an impact on my appreciation of a beautiful design. Who knows...

Oh, sorry lol. What do I use that much ram for? I'll just summarize my job. I create really really really huge detailed real time simulations, of well anything the client wants, that's pretty much what the company I work for does. And thats what I do, putting even a simple one together is a massive undertaking. Running it requires some retarded hardware, it can be anything from a cargo ship, to a building, bridge, car, airplane, that kinda thing. Then once its all setup, you can expose your model to pretty much any kind of condition, its neat stuff. Tho I won't get into it to much. Just tried to keep it in simple terms.

But yeah, you need retarded fast hardware to run these software programs.

That sounds like a pretty cool job. I can only imagine what kind of rigs you must use... or rather what they cost

 

[KnightWRX]

I don't, maybe its just because I started out as a kid on a 3.1 machine/DOS.

I started on a pure DOS machine. Move up to a Linux only setup in the late 90s. Maybe that's why I also appreciate function over form. Dunno, a big black screen with a flashing cursor gives me nostalgia attacks.

 

[MorphingDragon]

I started on a pure DOS machine. Move up to a Linux only setup in the late 90s. Maybe that's why I also appreciate function over form. Dunno, a big black screen with a flashing cursor gives me nostalgia attacks.

The only thing a flashing cursor makes me think is "Crap, AMD/nVidia have ****ed up the graphics drivers again for X".

 

[MonkeySee....]

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Other than Apple having a different and slightly shinier and consistent look, I do not see the difference. If you think that is worth another £500+ on your purchase, for a computer that won't even be in support as long as a PC that costs much less, then so be it.

I'd rather save my money and have a machine that is supported for much longer. Much better experience than being blinded by shininess. Don't get me wrong, I like Macs, but to say their are magical is just nonsense.

oh my god. Did you just compare an Apple Store to PC World?

 

[Reach9]

Why is Apple so successful? Easy..

1. They make good products
2. They have the best Marketing team
3. They have an excellent strategy focus
4. The marketing team has created a cult-like fan following for Apple

 

[smoledman]

oh my god. Did you just compare an Apple Store to PC World?

Yes he really did. PC World, PC Mart it's all the same.

 

[roadbloc]

oh my god. Did you just compare an Apple Store to PC World?

You can still walk out of both of them with a brand new computer. I admit that the PC retail side is lacking what compared to Apple's, but they both do the job. They are both there for the sale of computers and to help you when you're having trouble with your computer.

Other than the fact that Apple chooses to make its stores out of giant pieces of glass, what exactly is the difference? My one and only time in an Apple Store was actually very frustrating since the genius was clueless as to what was wrong with my iPod Classic, even though I had told him several times exactly what was wrong with it.

As I said, if you think paying £500+ for a computer is worth it because the store is made of glass, then so be it. I'd rather save my money.

 

[MonkeySee....]

You can still walk out of both of them with a brand new computer. I admit that the PC retail side is lacking what compared to Apple's, but they both do the job. They are both there for the sale of computers and to help you when you're having trouble with your computer.

Other than the fact that Apple chooses to make its stores out of giant pieces of glass, what exactly is the difference? My one and only time in an Apple Store was actually very frustrating since the genius was clueless as to what was wrong with my iPod Classic, even though I had told him several times exactly what was wrong with it.

As I said, if you think paying £500+ for a computer is worth it because the store is made of glass, then so be it. I'd rather save my money.

Seems you are completely missing the experience then.

Buying a Mac from PC world is not the same as buying a Mac from the Apple Store.

PC World staff are thick as **** and have zero customer service skills.

 

[boss.king]

PC World staff are thick as **** and have zero customer service skills.

Honestly, that sounds like most Geniuses/Apple store employees I've dealt with too. In the end, they're all just sales people. It's their job to sell, not to inform.

EDIT: I'm not meaning that Apple employees are necessarily stupid or rude or useless, but rather that they aren't really any different to employees from any other large tech store I visit.

 

[MonkeySee....]

Honestly, that sounds like most Geniuses/Apple store employees I've dealt with too. In the end, they're all just sales people. It's their job to sell, not to inform.

When I went to get my iPad the guy in store shook my hand an introduced himself. Asked if I was familiar with iOS and if I needed any help. Even had a nice chat about how I was etc and if I had any other plans for teh day as I was there quite early.

You wouldn't get that service form the knuckle dragger's at PC World.

 

[boss.king]

When I went to get my iPad the guy in store shook my hand an introduced himself. Asked if I was familiar with iOS and if I needed any help. Even had a nice chat about how I was etc and if I had any other plans for teh day as I was there quite early.

You wouldn't get that service form the knuckle dragger's at PC World.

That's pretty standard interaction where I live. Maybe it's different where you are, but whether I'm buying tech, clothes, food, or furniture, I usually get a nice chat with whoever serves me, and if I have questions they do their best to answer them or call over someone who can.

 

[MonkeySee....]

That's pretty standard interaction where I live. Maybe it's different where you are, but whether I'm buying tech, clothes, food, or furniture, I usually get a nice chat with whoever serves me, and if I have questions they do their best to answer them or call over someone who can.

Are you in the US? UK seem to avoid any interaction if possible.