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Boeingfan

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Yes I've bought one Mac Pro in the past and I bought it brand new. I don't buy used laptops for hygienic purposes. Used keyboards is like buying used underwear. I'll pass on that. But also if I buy a new laptop I need that cycle count at 0.
Used underwear, like all clothing, is fine once it’s washed and sanitized. Some less fortunate folks would be chuffed with freshly washed and sanitized undies in good condition, albeit secondhand ones.
 

ApplesAreSweet&Sour

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The minor increase in resale value you'd get from cycle count that's a little lower surely doesn't outweigh the hassle of constantly carrying around a battery pack and babying the battery?

And your bought-in-2024 M3 (or M4, or any future Mx SoC) MacBook Air will still face the scrutiny of being x number of month/years old when the day comes to resell it.

Conversely, most buyers in the resale/refurbished market will prefer a newer MacBook with a shot battery that they can go and get replace over one with a nearly perfect battery that is several years old.
 

ApplesAreSweet&Sour

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Modern "planned obsolescence" amounts to: by the time the battery practically dies, you're going to want a new product anyway. Phones, EV cars, computers, whatever gadget ... most are built to last well beyond anyone wanting it, new model costing little more than practical value of being stuck with a now-old machine. $760 for a refurbished "practically new" MBA M1 vs ... how much does one expect to pay for a seriously used years-old MBA, whatever battery condition?
That's the thing:

You can baby it like you literally birthed it. Or pay hundreds of dollars to have that MacBook Air battery replaced right before reselling it.

But that MacBook Air M-current generation is inevitably going to be a MacBook Air M-older generation no matter what you do.

While they maybe last for many years and get many updates, none of us are reselling our Apple Silicon Macs at anything worth mentioning.

Especially not when so many stores offer great refurbished ones with new batteries, full warranty, and whatnot. We cannot compete, new batteries or not.
 

jz0309

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Sep 25, 2018
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Each time you put a cycle count on it, it lowers the resale value of your Air. It also shortens the lifespan of both the internal battery and the laptop. Simple way to prevent it, is by buying and using a battery pack on it when needed. I did this, got an Anker prime 27650mah portable battery bank and for any times that I need to use the Air on battery, I run it off here instead so that I don't put any wear on the internal battery. Much cheaper to buy a new battery bank than a new Air.

Just curious why more don't do this?
this is the perfect laptop (portable) for you, no need to stress over battery usage ... nor over resale value ...
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seek3r

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Aug 16, 2010
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Each time you put a cycle count on it, it lowers the resale value of your Air. It also shortens the lifespan of both the internal battery and the laptop. Simple way to prevent it, is by buying and using a battery pack on it when needed. I did this, got an Anker prime 27650mah portable battery bank and for any times that I need to use the Air on battery, I run it off here instead so that I don't put any wear on the internal battery. Much cheaper to buy a new battery bank than a new Air.

Just curious why more don't do this?
My laptop is a tool, I use it as a tool, if its battery needs replacing I replace the battery, resale value isnt exactly my driving worry.

Doing what you’re doing would be massively inconvenient and really wouldnt preserve the battery much anyway since batteries do need at least occasional discharge and recharge cycles anyway to stay in decent condition.
 

blw777

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Jun 6, 2022
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I've never actually had the opportunity to get resale value out of a MacBook, or really out of any Mac. I use them until they have no support, and then they get switched to Linux. I have one 2008 Mini that no longer has a function, but its resale value is pretty minimal. I have a 2010 MacBook Pro whose resale value might be enhanced by a newer battery, but it has a dead SSD anyway. What's an 8GB 2010 MBP worth, anyway? $200, even with a new battery?

Everything from 2011 or later is still running.
 

smirking

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Aug 31, 2003
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I've never actually had the opportunity to get resale value out of a MacBook, or really out of any Mac. I use them until they have no support, and then they get switched to Linux. I have one 2008 Mini that no longer has a function, but its resale value is pretty minimal. I have a 2010 MacBook Pro whose resale value might be enhanced by a newer battery, but it has a dead SSD anyway. What's an 8GB 2010 MBP worth, anyway? $200, even with a new battery?

You can actually get pretty good resale value out of used Macs, but just not ones that are 10 years old. It'd be silly to expect a good return on such old gear that wouldn't even keep up with an entry level iPad.

I've resold a couple of MBPs that were 2-3 years old and both got good resale value. One returned almost half of my original purchase price, but that one is probably an outlier. It got so much repair work done from Apple that it was practically refurbished. I had AppleCare repair my totally beat up 2.5 year old 2016 tbMBP and they replaced like half of the machine. It came back looking and feeling brand new and I immediately sold it for a lot more than I ever expected to get for it.
 
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john123

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Jul 20, 2001
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Yes I've bought one Mac Pro in the past and I bought it brand new. I don't buy used laptops for hygienic purposes. Used keyboards is like buying used underwear. I'll pass on that. But also if I buy a new laptop I need that cycle count at 0.
Right, and this sort of demonstrates my point. The kind of person who's going to get wound up around cycle counts is also the person who isn't going to buy a used laptop.
 

DeepSix

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Right, and this sort of demonstrates my point. The kind of person who's going to get wound up around cycle counts is also the person who isn't going to buy a used laptop.

Well there's several reasons why I would never buy a used laptop. To start majority of people use their laptops in bed or on the carpet completely blocking the vents and then they wonder why their laptop caught on fire in the middle of the night.
 

nick9191

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Feb 17, 2008
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Yes I've bought one Mac Pro in the past and I bought it brand new. I don't buy used laptops for hygienic purposes. Used keyboards is like buying used underwear. I'll pass on that. But also if I buy a new laptop I need that cycle count at 0.
I’ve never had a problem with wearing second hand underwear. It’s all washed at a minimum of 60c in my house with detergent. The weird one for me is when I see people swap shoes. I would struggle to wear someone else’s shoes.
 

AlixSPQR

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Nov 16, 2020
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Any number you get out of a MacBookPro is coming from Apple in some way. Coconut Battery has no way of accessing the battery itself. It's just a different way of presenting information that's being given by your computer's hardware.
So, any information about batteries in Apple's products are basically non-sensical.
 

smirking

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Aug 31, 2003
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So, any information about batteries in Apple's products are basically non-sensical.

No, non-sensical would mean the battery numbers are useless. They're not useless.

They're imprecise.

At any given moment in time, any number you get might be a few percentage points off in either direction. Under normal conditions, the battery health indicator will give you a reasonably reliable estimate, but it should only be seen as a best guess answer based on the information available.

If it says 95%, you should think of it being somewhere around 95%. It might be 93% or it could be 97%... or even a bit further outside of that range.

If you take a bunch of readings over time you'll see the number bounce around. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
 

qumoporo

macrumors newbie
Oct 2, 2024
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Each time you put a cycle count on it, it lowers the resale value of your Air. It also shortens the lifespan of both the internal battery and the laptop. Simple way to prevent it, is by buying and using a battery pack on it when needed. I did this, got an Anker prime 27650mah portable battery bank and for any times that I need to use the Air on battery, I run it off here instead so that I don't put any wear on the internal battery. Much cheaper to buy a new battery bank than a new Air.

Just curious why more don't do this?
Because it's a laptop with a battery already built in. This isnt worth the effort.
 
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qumoporo

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Oct 2, 2024
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I would still like to keep the cycle count down. A laptop with high cycle count is not easy to resale unless you're selling at a heavy loss.
What are you talking about? The MOST it should lower your selling price by is the cost of a replacement. More than that and you might as well just replace then sell

Edit: if its really that expensive to change the battery out btw, just sell the macbook with a new portable battery 😉
 

Shirasaki

macrumors P6
May 16, 2015
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If you're that worried about the life of your laptop, especially with regards to the resale value, you should probably just leave it in the box, unopened. You'll get more money that way.
This will depend on region, but given brand new condition, most people would not visit a random seller on eBay for brand new MacBook Air when Apple also sells it brand new. Same for places like Walmart.
Worrying resale value is completely an upside down thinking.
 

wyrdness

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Dec 2, 2008
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I don't know about that, I think you notice the downsides right away. If you drain the battery everyday for a year, it will be at like 75% battery health.

I call BS on that. I'm typing this on my M1 Air, which I bought at launch in November 2020. It's used daily on battery and I only plug it in to charge when the battery is almost drained. Here's its battery health.

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Chevysales

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Sep 30, 2019
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Each time you put a cycle count on it, it lowers the resale value of your Air. It also shortens the lifespan of both the internal battery and the laptop. Simple way to prevent it, is by buying and using a battery pack on it when needed. I did this, got an Anker prime 27650mah portable battery bank and for any times that I need to use the Air on battery, I run it off here instead so that I don't put any wear on the internal battery. Much cheaper to buy a new battery bank than a new Air.

Just curious why more don't do this?
Seriously?
It’s a tool made to be used.

I doubt most folks who buy the air version are wringing their hands while checking the amount of cycles it’s been charged.

They are using it and enjoying it knowing it won’t last forever. So why loose sleep over it.
 
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match14

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May 1, 2014
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Surely with this mentality you’d also use dictation rather than the keyboard so that you don’t wear the keyboard out? And for that matter, what about the hours of the screen lighting? Wouldn’t it be better to use it with the screen off to maintain a higher resale value? 🙄
Why stop there just leave it in the sealed box unused for maximum resale value.
 
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