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nebo1ss

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Jun 2, 2010
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I walk the streets and see them in cafe's and the parks. I see so many people with MacBooks from 2012 that have the light in the back with a out of day OS yet they are using an iPhone 14 or newer. I just don't understand why they don't at least upgrade to a M1 MacBook Air for $800. If they can afford a new iPhone they can afford to update there out of date, insecure laptop.
Because the Mac works while older iPhones struggle with battery life. I just upgraded from a 2015 MacBook Air to a M2 MacBook Air and that was only because it started giving trouble. I upgrade my iPhone every 2 years and this is mainly because the battery life suffers. My iPhone 13 Pro is unable to get through the day without a charge which is pretty annoying. I rather suspect this is all part of Apple built in obsolescence on their best selling product.
 

msackey

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Oct 8, 2020
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I use a 2017 Macbook (12" retina) because Apple haven't made a laptop that lightweight since. As soon as they bring out a sub 1kg replacement I will get that. Not holding my breath.
I'm remembering the compact footprint of the PowerBook G4 12". While I never owned one, I had friends who used it and it was really just so darn portable. Sure, it is now considered rather thick, but otherwise, the footprint is still quite compact.
 
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aliasfox

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Jun 16, 2004
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I'm remembering the compact footprint of the PowerBook G4 12". While I never owned one, I had friends who used it and it was really just so darn portable. Sure, it is now considered rather thick, but otherwise, the footprint is still quite compact.
I turned my PB 12” on last time I was at my parents’ house. The laptop is thick, the resolution low, and the screen quality is abysmal by today’s standards, but the footprint is still fantastic and that pre-chicklet keyboard just felt sooooo luxurious.

Bring back the 12” form factor with a 1.18” depth! Sure, a bit chunky by today’s standards, but imagine both the passive and active cooling that could fit in there, not to mention the battery life! An unthrottled M3 Ultra ultraportable…
 
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Remington Steel

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Dec 26, 2016
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I walk the streets and see them in cafe's and the parks. I see so many people with MacBooks from 2012 that have the light in the back with a out of day OS yet they are using an iPhone 14 or newer. I just don't understand why they don't at least upgrade to a M1 MacBook Air for $800. If they can afford a new iPhone they can afford to update there out of date, insecure laptop.
What a pretentious post! But something tells me the OP knew EXACTLY what replies they would get!
 
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nick42983

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May 18, 2009
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Warsaw, Poland
The differences between an M1 or newer and a 2015 or older Macbook is tremendous. It makes much more sense to have a newer Macbook and say a iphone 11 or 12 than the latest model.

Computers have become ubiquitous in the Western world for both work and play. It sounds like these people are just ignorant of both security dangers and the huge benefits of a better computer while buying into the “latest and greatest” hype of new iphones.
 

urbanman2004

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Dec 31, 2013
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I walk the streets and see them in cafe's and the parks. I see so many people with MacBooks from 2012 that have the light in the back with a out of day OS yet they are using an iPhone 14 or newer. I just don't understand why they don't at least upgrade to a M1 MacBook Air for $800. If they can afford a new iPhone they can afford to update there out of date, insecure laptop.
I presume a computer to them such as a Mac isn't as important of a priority to get updated periodically, specifically after a new generation, and they're probably financing their phone and not paying for it outright...
 

RedGT

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Apr 14, 2014
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London innit
I walk the streets and see them in cafe's and the parks. I see so many people with MacBooks from 2012 that have the light in the back with an out of day OS yet they are using an iPhone 14 or newer. I just don't understand why they don't at least upgrade to a M1 MacBook Air for $800. If they can afford a new iPhone they can afford to update there out of date, insecure laptop.
Ok Tim, nice try.

But I’m not biting.
 
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wonderings

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Nov 19, 2021
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Computers have become ubiquitous in the Western world for both work and play. It sounds like these people are just ignorant of both security dangers and the huge benefits of a better computer while buying into the “latest and greatest” hype of new iphones.

Or could it simply be people are content with what they have and are not falling into the endless consumerism pit? What security dangers are there with an older laptop if it is still using the latest OS or getting updates?
 

AAPLGeek

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Nov 12, 2009
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Or could it simply be people are content with what they have and are not falling into the endless consumerism pit? What security dangers are there with an older laptop if it is still using the latest OS or getting updates?

The "security dangers" for an average user even with an older non updated OS are vastly overstated.
It's laughable that some users here deem a piece hardware "obsolete" because it doesn't run the latest and greatest version of macOS.
 

wonderings

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Nov 19, 2021
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The "security dangers" for an average user even with an older non updated OS are vastly overstated.
It's laughable that some users here deem a piece hardware "obsolete" because it doesn't run the latest and greatest version of macOS.
I agree, though that is the only potential security issue I can see with older software.
 

lukester

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Dec 2, 2009
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Because my 2013 MacBook Pro refuses to die. And it is still fast enough for basic email web surfing and writing in word. And to be honest I like the keyboard more than my new M2 air. Yeah.
What about your battery life on it?
 

avro707

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Dec 13, 2010
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I walk the streets and see them in cafe's and the parks. I see so many people with MacBooks from 2012 that have the light in the back with a out of day OS yet they are using an iPhone 14 or newer. I just don't understand why they don't at least upgrade to a M1 MacBook Air for $800. If they can afford a new iPhone they can afford to update there out of date, insecure laptop.

The computer does the job required and they don’t care to upgrade it until the machine dies.

Thats a good approach rather than paying the Apple mothership yearly for the next gadget. I am similarly slow to upgrade phones too, but have a 15 Pro now.
 

Superman041

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Jul 16, 2011
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I walk the streets and see them in cafe's and the parks. I see so many people with MacBooks from 2012 that have the light in the back with a out of day OS yet they are using an iPhone 14 or newer. I just don't understand why they don't at least upgrade to a M1 MacBook Air for $800. If they can afford a new iPhone they can afford to update there out of date, insecure laptop.

It depends upon what your use case is. Many use their iPhone daily, but they do not their Macbook.
 

Zest28

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Jul 11, 2022
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I’ve seen this idea expressed by different people. I find it very odd. Are office workers using their phones and tablets as their primary work devices? I doubt it.

Since when do office workers need to buy a MacBook Pro? Most people don’t need to buy a computer for work at all.

An iPhone or an iPad is enough for personal use.
 
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ArchieP

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Nov 25, 2023
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Well, cost is probably a huge factor for many people. It certainly is for this fixed-income senior and I speak as a Mac user since the 1980s......When Beige Was King! I became a Mac user by default as my wife is in the graphics industry, and since I retired I have only been able to afford used Macs, which have fortunately turned out to be fairly reliable, aided no doubt by some diagnostic/repair skills I seem to have picked up along the way. HOWEVER....I have several beefs (beeves?) with the lads from Cupertino, which, with your indulgence I'll enumerate! Firstly: Do you REALLY have to upgrade your OS every second Tuesday? I have five - count them, five - Macs of varying vintage, which, with one exception are deemed obsolete and land-fill ready. (The exception is a dodgy Graphics Card. Again, not my problem!) That means, in practice, that sites I frequent have upgraded their content for newer Mac OS, thus rendering mine no longer fit-for-purpose. What did Detroit call it; planned obsolescence? Meanwhile my slightly despised and glacially-slow Windoze 10 keeps on doing all the stuff my Macs used to do! Secondly: why the droog doesn't Apple leave their apps alone? All the apps I love to use have been "improved" with each OS upgrade, i.e. 'Photos', 'Music' and my latest gorilla-fight-to-the-death 'Image Capture'! Grrrr! In the case of the latter, whatever happened to : "Download to Desktop" and "Delete after download"? Now, it's a time-consuming, multi-faceted, Drag and Drop, Move to Trash saga! Pathetic! I am not alone! Several Mac-using acquaintances feel the same!
PULL YOUR SOCKS UP AND GET A GRIP, APPLE!
 

bousozoku

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Jun 25, 2002
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I use my 71-year-old typewriter more than my MacBook. But coffee shop patrons seem to prefer that I use my computer instead.
I'm glad that you have a laptop computer. Taking a tower, plus peripherals, into a coffee shop or restaurant tends to be annoying.
 

Hyades

macrumors newbie
Nov 25, 2023
2
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Work = KSA. Home = RSA
I just upgraded to an M1 Air. Well, not yet, it's being shipped right now.

I'm still rocking a 2012 MacBook Pro i7. Obviously I upgraded the HDD to an SSD some years ago. But it still works. I'm typing this here message on it. Even the battery still gives me about an hour, if I'm lucky, a bit more.

But it's time. Its getting too slow now...
 

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bousozoku

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Jun 25, 2002
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I just upgraded to an M1 Air. Well, not yet, it's being shipped right now.

I'm still rocking a 2012 MacBook Pro i7. Obviously I upgraded the HDD to an SSD some years ago. But it still works. I'm typing this here message on it. Even the battery still gives me about an hour, if I'm lucky, a bit more.

But it's time. Its getting too slow now...
That one barely produces any heat. It's not good in winter the way my quad-core i7 with GeForce 650M is. 😁

You'll love the performance boost of the M1.
 
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