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Other Why are we not DEMANDING a return to replaceable batteries?

Trying to get the most battery life out of a non user replaceable battery causes other issues. The Samsung "exploding" battery probably arose trying to get as much battery life possible. Made the battery just a little bigger than it should have been. Apple trying to reduce the needed frequency of replacement by adjusting performance based on battery voltage.

I've had issues with laptop computers in the past and digital cameras with replaceable batteries. Either impossible to find replacement OEM batteries, or they are really priced high. The replacement batteries generally didn't perform as well as the OEM battery. But they were cheap.
 
Shinigami301 said:
This one is a huge part of the reason. Typical phone cells are three to five times the capacity of the old Nokia and Moto Razr batts which typically ran ~700 mAh. Basically, small firebombs now.

The battery alone in my old Treo was twice the thickness of my iPhone X and 1/3rd the surface area.

If we want to return to holding soap-bar phones, this is the path to take us there.
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I gave up using my Note 4 last year because I was so tired of the removable batteries only giving me an hour of screen time. I even have 4 batteries for it. They would last the whole day with minimum use but as soon as used the phone, I could justice the battery % dropping.

I have never had the problem on phones with built in batteries. Today I m using a 7+, 6S+, Note 8 and a S8+. The iPhones give me the best battery life and the Note 8 and S8+ give me about 3 hrs screen time and sometimes 4-5 depending.

I will never go back to a phone with a removable battery for this reason alone.
 
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My solution was to buy 5-6 external battery packs with 6" lightning cables and micro USB to charge them (6K mAh x 3, 10K mAh x 1, 24k mAh x 2). And one of them can also jump start a dead car battery.

I keep one in my hiking camelback. I keep one in my biking camelback. I keep one in the carry bag that I take back and forth between the house and my car as I go back and forth throughout the day. I keep one in the bag that I carry from car to car and keep in it while driving, along with other stuff like meds and umbrellas and gloves (depending on which car I have for the day). And I keep one in my overnight/carry-on travel bag for when I might spend the night or two somewhere and I don't have the other bags with me.

Carrying a spare removable battery or two in my pocket or in each bag would merely eliminate the need to have the extra microUSB charging cables...
 
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pgoelz said:
With all the talk about battery life, phone throttling, battery ageing, battery replacement cost....... why isn't there a massive tidal wave of us customers demanding that phone manufacturers return to producing phones with user-replaceable batteries?

Especially in usage scenarios involving a full charge every day (ie., 350 charge cycles per year), battery wear out is a given.... and long before the phone is obsolete.

Apple's offer of a $29 battery replacement is a good move (and comparable to the cost of a user-replaceable battery), but that low cost is only temporary for one year.

And finally.... if you think manufacturers made money on your phone, you would be shocked to see what they are making on a $79 battery replacement that consists of a $2 lithium cell, a small cable and connector and some shrink wrap.

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very pointless thread indeed... apple has been using unibody constructions for almost entire decade+ of iPhone... if normal people opened the phone, tried to tamper/change battery and something went wrong then the people are liable for much more charges for any hardware issue, on top of the battery. its not like it came with a plastic back like samsung did which made changing batteries easy ... #pleasethink

plus its very cumbersome to do so for majority of users, they are happy to pay 29-79$ for a top notch service.

there are better solutions out there, like Powerbanks they existed for quite awhile now and are mainstream and cheaper. no tampering of mobile device internals, plus you still get juice like it or not.
 
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kevink2 said:
Trying to get the most battery life out of a non user replaceable battery causes other issues. The Samsung "exploding" battery probably arose trying to get as much battery life possible. Made the battery just a little bigger than it should have been. Apple trying to reduce the needed frequency of replacement by adjusting performance based on battery voltage.

I've had issues with laptop computers in the past and digital cameras with replaceable batteries. Either impossible to find replacement OEM batteries, or they are really priced high. The replacement batteries generally didn't perform as well as the OEM battery. But they were cheap.
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Referencing the first part of your post, Samsung actually reduced the size of the battery for the Note 8, and as you said, the battery for the first Note 7 was likely somewhat to large, which may have been part of the problem.

And the second part of your post is correct. If somebody wants to purchase a secondary OEM battery, they're very expensive. I have a fairly expensive flashlight and I wanted to purchase a secondary OEM lithium Ion battery for it, which there were third party cheaper alternative batteries, but I wanted OEM . Just for purchasing a secondary OEM battery for that flashlight was over $85.
 
Buy an anker portable charger. Costs $10-12 and can charge your phone more than once. Stop complaining. You are not going to get removable batteries.
 
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PGoelz, I think it is YOU that is not getting the point here. There are indeed legitimate reasons not to have the replacement batteries as we used to have. The issues from removable batteries outweigh the good things, and by far.
 
pgoelz said:
With all the talk about battery life, phone throttling, battery ageing, battery replacement cost....... why isn't there a massive tidal wave of us customers demanding that phone manufacturers return to producing phones with user-replaceable batteries?

Especially in usage scenarios involving a full charge every day (ie., 350 charge cycles per year), battery wear out is a given.... and long before the phone is obsolete.

Apple's offer of a $29 battery replacement is a good move (and comparable to the cost of a user-replaceable battery), but that low cost is only temporary for one year.

And finally.... if you think manufacturers made money on your phone, you would be shocked to see what they are making on a $79 battery replacement that consists of a $2 lithium cell, a small cable and connector and some shrink wrap.

Paul
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Apple has never offered replaceable batteries so your point?
 
Closingracer said:
Apple has never offered replaceable batteries so your point?
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His point is that cell phone manufacturers DID used to make phones with replaceable batteries. My wife still has a Moto flip phone with a battery I can replace in about 10 seconds or less.
 
off_piste said:
While I loved having replaceable batteries you have to consider a couple reasons against them: 1) size due to required additional packaging/protection which either creates more bulk or reduces battery capacity, 2) shape, manufacturers have more flexibility with component layout in ever shrinking phones, and 3) now you have water resistance as a feature.
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This exactly. Look at a Samsung Galaxy S 5 and then the 6 when they removed the removable battery. Besides a better design using better materials the phone got a lot slimmer due to the fact they took away the removable battery. Didn't need to make it bulky.
 
Martyimac said:
His point is that cell phone manufacturers DID used to make phones with replaceable batteries. My wife still has a Moto flip phone with a battery I can replace in about 10 seconds or less.
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Yes but considering Apple never has and I'll assume he always had an iPhone and this hasn't been an issue until now because people want to make it one what's his point? You'll upgrade before it becomes a true real issue.
 
Closingracer said:
Yes but considering Apple never has and I'll assume he always had an iPhone and this hasn't been an issue until now because people want to make it one what's his point? You'll upgrade before it becomes a true real issue.
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Maybe you would have upgraded before the recent throttling issue. Now? Not so sure.
 
Closingracer said:
Apple has never offered replaceable batteries so your point?
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I know you are being pedantic for the sake of snark, but you are wrong.

The Mototola Rokr was a joint-venture with Apple and was the first Apple phone project... and DID have a removable battery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Rokr

Even if that wren't the case... don't take the OP so literally. He CLEARLY means the cell phone industry as a whole... not just apple.
 
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Closingracer said:
What throttling issue? It's basically a non issue if you upgrade every 2 years.

If I didn't just get the battery replaced.
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Umm, have you not read the huge thread here about throttling on the older iPhones? Turns out there are phones at 1 year being throttled.
 
lordhamster said:
I know you are being pedantic for the sake of snark, but you are wrong.

The Mototola Rokr was a joint-venture with Apple and was the first Apple phone project... and DID have a removable battery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Rokr

Even if that wren't the case... don't take the OP so literally. He CLEARLY means the cell phone industry as a whole... not just apple.
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And the smartphone industry itself has moved away from removable batteries and never been an issue
 
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Closingracer said:
Yes but considering Apple never has and I'll assume he always had an iPhone and this hasn't been an issue until now because people want to make it one what's his point? You'll upgrade before it becomes a true real issue.
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I said I was done with this discussion but I had to drop back in and answer this logic. For some reason I stopped getting Email notifications and didn't realize this thread had continued.

No, my iPhone SE is the FIRST iPhone I have owned. I bought it because I wanted a smaller form factor phone than was available in the Android world and at $149 was too good to pass up. I like the build quality and hope to get a couple years minimum out of it before I choose to upgrade.... either due to diminished battery life or desired new features. I also chose the SE because if I ever do need to replace the embedded battery it does not look that difficult.

You all missed my point re: replaceable batteries..... it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with wanting to be able to swap on the go for longer run time. I find the run time (with a new battery, at least) on the SE (as well as my Android and Windows phones) is better than I was hoping for and is very acceptable.

What I want is the ability to replace the battery.... the ONLY life limited component in my phone.... when the performance drops below whatever I determine to be my personal minimum. Yes, you can do that with an iPhone but $79 to have Apple do it is a LOT higher than what it would be if the battery was simply considered a spare part and user replaceable.

As for all the assumed negative trade offs to return to user replaceable batteries...... go ahead and believe what you want. If you don't believe it is possible to design a water resistant phone with a replaceable battery, I probably can't change your mind. If you are happy with non-replaceable batteries, that's fine too. I only started this thread in response to the multitude of complaints about phone performance degradation due to degraded batteries. Making them replaceable would make all of that go away and it seemed a logical time to bring it up. If you don't agree, fine.

Sorry if I bothered you all.... I'm a retired engineer and by nature I'm kinda hardwired to identify and solve problems ;) Returning to replaceable batteries and retaining things like water resistance is very possible so it seemed natural to bring it up. I'm real sorry I did ;)

Paul
 
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You can “demand” anything you want, your not going to get it.

Replaceable batteries and water resistance in an iPhone is quite possible but not in the slim sexy form factor that is Apple. As has been pointed out by others it will look cheap, tawdry, and clunky; and that is not Apple.
 
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pgoelz said:
With all the talk about battery life, phone throttling, battery ageing, battery replacement cost....... why isn't there a massive tidal wave of us customers demanding that phone manufacturers return to producing phones with user-replaceable batteries?

Especially in usage scenarios involving a full charge every day (ie., 350 charge cycles per year), battery wear out is a given.... and long before the phone is obsolete.

Apple's offer of a $29 battery replacement is a good move (and comparable to the cost of a user-replaceable battery), but that low cost is only temporary for one year.

And finally.... if you think manufacturers made money on your phone, you would be shocked to see what they are making on a $79 battery replacement that consists of a $2 lithium cell, a small cable and connector and some shrink wrap.

Paul
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Because it’s a nonissue.
 
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Tom G. said:
You can “demand” anything you want, your not going to get it.
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Wow, so much for progress and change. I'm glad that isn't actually how the world works, though. What do you think would have happened if someone had said that to Steve jobs when he "demanded" a mashup of a pocket PC and a telephone?

But never mind. [sarcasm on]This has truly been a very illuminating "discussion" [/sarcasm] and clearly there isn't any point in my continued participation. Enjoy.

Paul
 
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