Why are you NOT buying a nMP?

[OrangeSVTguy]

Why are you NOT buying a nMP?

Because my two GTX Titans would be paper weights.

And then I would need 3 of the problematic Thunderbolt to Dual-Link DVI adapters....

 

[echoout]

Because my two GTX Titans would be paper weights.

And then I would need 3 of the problematic Thunderbolt to Dual-Link DVI adapters....

Exactly!

Hardware needs change several times a year. I need flexibility. Not cables, breakout boxes and proprietary pieces.

 

[Average Pro]

Agreed

I totally agree. You and I must have the same MP configuration. My MP and Cinema display are powered via freely floating electrons. Are you also transferring data between your FW800 and eSATA HDs via osmosis? I was surprised to discover that the last software update helped me break free of having to connect another cable to the MP. You know what I mean...flash cards and monitor calibrator.

I will be annoyed when I won't be required to shut down my computer to change a HD.

I'm the guy you see at Costco purchasing the Plasma-DVD-CD-Reciever-VHS-9.1 Surround Sound all-in-one system. Based on my research and "everyone" I have ever spoken to throughout my entire life...packaging as many electronics into a single component are proven to be of higher quality.

Exactly!

Hardware needs change several times a year. I need flexibility. Not cables, breakout boxes and proprietary pieces.

 

[echoout]

I totally agree. You and I must have the same MP configuration. My MP and Cinema display are powered via freely floating electrons. Are you also transferring data between your FW800 and eSATA HDs via osmosis? I was surprised to discover that the last software update helped me break free of having to connect another cable to the MP. You know what I mean...flash cards and monitor calibrator.

I will be annoyed when I won't be required to shut down my computer to change a HD.

I'm the guy you see at Costco purchasing the Plasma-DVD-CD-Reciever-VHS-9.1 Surround Sound all-in-one system. Based on my research and "everyone" I have ever spoken to throughout my entire life...packaging as many electronics into a single component are proven to be of higher quality.

Yeah! Two whole cables!!! What a MESS!

My current Thunderbolt rig though. Yikes.

 

[riggles]

At HP, you can get the z820 with 2x10 core 2660v2s 2xW9000s and still be well under $10K at $7.2K after 20% off. That leave a lot of room for what ever other configurations you need for this mini-cluster of z820s you got, including RAM and disks. And the HP will have both better CPU and GPU crunching power than the top BTO nMP.....

I think you better check that agin. 12 cores will put you close to 10K and we got 16-core machines. Easily $12K with discounts, probably more. My point was, PC workstations are actually more expensive than Mac Pros.

 

[MattDSLR]

Picked up a new 2012 12-core for $1999.
Too hard to resist

It will get me by just fine until nMPv2 is released

I'm with you !

Knowing that 12 core 5.1 are faster than 6 core nMP, this will last me for an extra 2 years
Upgrade memory to 128 gig ($1000.00)
Add 2 tb SSD (Raid two 1 tb EVO drives on Sonnet board) ($1200.00)
and a new Video card if this one will fail or should I say when.
Why waiting
There is still no 4 k monitors
nMP still has to prove itself to be working well with multiple storage solution(yes testing new Drobo D)
The NEC PA301 are still work amazingly well on 5.1
It will allow me to finalize what storage will work well by having other people test it.
I need quick processing and Large storage and having internal drives is cheap externals are very expensive.
So will run my two 5.1 to ground or until Adobe will no longer support it
I will probably get one to test and to start a transition process that will be in 2015
It will allow all the early adopters to test it and for us to see how this new MP will evolve in 1 year and if apple will add some drive bays or posts for extra SSD storage

 

[flat five]

I'm with you !

Knowing that 12 core 5.1 are faster than 6 core nMP, this will last me for an extra 2 years
Upgrade memory to 128 gig ($1000.00)
Add 2 tb SSD (Raid two 1 tb EVO drives on Sonnet board) ($1200.00)
and a new Video card if this one will fail or should I say when.
Why waiting
There is still no 4 k monitors
nMP still has to prove itself to be working well with multiple storage solution(yes testing new Drobo D)
The NEC PA301 are still work amazingly well on 5.1
It will allow me to finalize what storage will work well by having other people test it.
I need quick processing and Large storage and having internal drives is cheap externals are very expensive.
So will run my two 5.1 to ground or until Adobe will no longer support it
I will probably get one to test and to start a transition process that will be in 2015
It will allow all the early adopters to test it and for us to see how this new MP will evolve in 1 year and if apple will add some drive bays or posts for extra SSD storage

personally, out of all the fairly vocal mp1 hangeroners here, i think you'll be the first one to cave in

 

[Macsonic]

Not buying the nMac Pro…

Huge Expenses and Ist Gen untested new design. Longer ROI
Need to see how the nMac Pro performs for long hours and heat management

Paying for 2 graphic cards wherein the second GPU will not be utilized

Would like to have Nvidia GPU as option which is possible with the classic Mac Pro

Need the internal storage with the classic Mac Pro Clients send me their HDs containing images and videos. After I edit and processed them, I send back the HD. No problem with the absence of Thunderbolt

The classic Mac Pro is still adequate for my workflow. I use the second Mac Pro to render videos while I work on other design tasks on my other Mac Pro in getting 2 tasks completed with one motion. And easily swap HDs between machines for file changes.

 

[mpantone]

Not buying the nMac Pro…

Longer ROI

Bzzzt! Wrong answer!

The Mac Pro -- like other computers -- is an expense, not an investment.

If you want an investment, try some AAPL, SPY, QQQ, ORCL, whatever.

Anyhow, the Mac Pro is still eligible for the standard 14-day customer satisfaction return policy. You could use the new Mac Pro as a rendering device. Note that external drives with removable sleds are available, or you could simply unscrew the drive from the enclosure.

 

[MattDSLR]

personally, out of all the fairly vocal mp1 hangeroners here, i think you'll be the first one to cave in

LOL
Not caving in
Need to see results and as 5.1 may fail 2015 will tell me what options I have
I hate the new Look
I hated the cube and it lasted only a year so hoping the same for the nMP
2015 will bring us new true Mac Pros

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Bzzzt! Wrong answer!

The Mac Pro -- like other computers -- is an expense, not an investment.

If you want an investment, try some AAPL, SPY, QQQ, ORCL, whatever.

Anyhow, the Mac Pro is still eligible for the standard 14-day customer satisfaction return policy. You could use the new Mac Pro as a rendering device. Note that external drives with removable sleds are available, or you could simply unscrew the drive from the enclosure.

There will be allots of returns in the first 6 months
main will be drives going to sleep and apple will tell you its not our issue we didn't supply the drive bays
Apple always had compatibility issues with external drives. and its never their issues.
I personally think External storage will kill nMPMini and we will go back to new design.

 

[flat five]

LOL
Not caving in

dude, you have 7 dslrs.. if the sig is accurate, you're caving in
#

 

[Macsonic]

Bzzzt! Wrong answer!

The Mac Pro -- like other computers -- is an expense, not an investment.

If you want an investment, try some AAPL, SPY, QQQ, ORCL, whatever.

Anyhow, the Mac Pro is still eligible for the standard 14-day customer satisfaction return policy. You could use the new Mac Pro as a rendering device. Note that external drives with removable sleds are available.

Hi mpantone. From a business standpoint or if you are managing a business there's your assets and liabilities to determine profits. SOA counts in any business. and the duration on getting back your expenses.

If other users want to buy the new Mac Pro, hey, it's their money and decision. I am not going to tell them wrong answer or wrong decision or how to spend their money.

 

[Xteec]

Bzzzt! Wrong answer!

The Mac Pro -- like other computers -- is an expense, not an investment.

Computers are generally treated as assets, not expenses. As assets are used to bring economic benefit, the value reduces towards nil.

 

[wallysb01]

I think you better check that agin. 12 cores will put you close to 10K and we got 16-core machines. Easily $12K with discounts, probably more. My point was, PC workstations are actually more expensive than Mac Pros.

Umm....12 cores? Like 2x6 cores....no. I got that for about $5K last year with Sandy Bridge. The only way this is happening is if you’re putting like 512GB+ of RAM, Infiniband cards, 10Gig ethernet, etc....

Do you have quote or something, because either you got ripped off or you’re just not aware of everything that’s actually in those machines.

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I think I missed the boat on that option as every vendor stateside has discontinued selling them. The only ones I've found are used cpu's on ebay and I'm not willing to gamble $600 on a used cpu.

Yeah, that is a bit of a risk. I just put one into google shopping as I didn’t realize new stocks had disappeared so greatly by now. Though this place seems to have some new ones, granted its $700 now, but I guess that’s what happens after intel stops making them: http://www.cpumedics.com/bx80613w3680.html?gclid=CPKN0N_nvLsCFStBQgodblMAhA

 

[petvas]

I would love to have one mainly because of the design, but I don't need it. My iMac is perfect for my needs, and I don't have this kind of money for a computer I am not going to use professionally.

 

[riggles]

You were saying?

Umm....12 cores? Like 2x6 cores....no. I got that for about $5K last year with Sandy Bridge. The only way this is happening is if you’re putting like 512GB+ of RAM, Infiniband cards, 10Gig ethernet, etc....

Do you have quote or something, because either you got ripped off or you’re just not aware of everything that’s actually in those machines.

From today, courtesy of HP:

Look, I don't make these things up. This is what a 12-core workstation from HP costs. No crazy configuring needed to pass the $10K mark. Dual 6-cores, 32GB unbuffered RAM, 512GB SSD boot, 3TB HDD data, K5000 graphics - $12,000.

Would you like to prove your point and configure a 12-core workstation from another PC vendor that rings in at $5,000 or even somewhere in the same ballpark? I'll wait..

 

[kylepro88]

You shouldn't put so much stock into "reviews"; almost every product will have good ones and bad ones. If you go in with that strategy, you'll never buy anything.

http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Wi...&qid=1387343963&sr=8-1&keywords=orico+usb+3.0

I've put about ten of these into Mac Pros. Not a single issue. You just need to feed it power of course. The two port version doesn't require power.

Well good to know. I know all products have bad reviews, I just hadn't seen enough good ones I guess to push me over the edge. There wasn't much that seemed to protect me from being one of those 1 star review people lol…

I'll give this specific one another look. Thanks!

 

[cube]

From today, courtesy of HP:
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Look, I don't make these things up. This is what a 12-core workstation from HP costs. No crazy configuring needed to pass the $10K mark. Dual 6-cores, 32GB unbuffered RAM, 512GB SSD boot, 3TB HDD data, K5000 graphics - $12,000.

Would you like to prove your point and configure a 12-core workstation from another PC vendor that rings in at $5,000 or even somewhere in the same ballpark? I'll wait..

Buy a barebones from Supermicro, add CPUs, graphics, disk, OS.

 

[riggles]

Buy a barebones from Supermicro, add CPUs, graphics, disk, OS.

You mean build it yourself? I always love that addition. "You can get a (whatever) for half the price!" Whereby "get" means "source the parts and build yourself". Lol.

It sounds like I'm dissing building your own computer, which I'm not at all. It's a fantastic way to save money. But to make the blanket claim (as some are still doing) that Mac Pros are more expensive than PC workstations, and then later qualify "PC workstations" as only ones you build yourself, is a flawed argument.

 

[cube]

You mean build it yourself? I always love that addition. "You can get a (whatever) for half the price!" Whereby "get" means "source the parts and build yourself". Lol.

It sounds like I'm dissing building your own computer, which I'm not at all. It's a fantastic way to save money. But to make the blanket claim (as some are still doing) that Mac Pros are more expensive than PC workstations, and then later qualify "PC workstations" as only ones you build yourself, is a flawed argument.

If you buy barebones instead of case and motherboard separately, you're left with the easiest part, not that it's really difficult if you buy everything separately.

I forgot to mention the RAM, probably better to stick to the official speed for Supermicro boards.

And coolers, if the CPUs don't include them.

I think workstations are expensive if you buy them from the main manufacturers, it might be better from a boutique vendor.

 

[Topper]

Because my two GTX Titans

Congratulations. That's twice as many as I've got. And then there's Tutor...

 

[wallysb01]

From today, courtesy of HP:
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Look, I don't make these things up. This is what a 12-core workstation from HP costs. No crazy configuring needed to pass the $10K mark. Dual 6-cores, 32GB unbuffered RAM, 512GB SSD boot, 3TB HDD data, K5000 graphics - $12,000.

Would you like to prove your point and configure a 12-core workstation from another PC vendor that rings in at $5,000 or even somewhere in the same ballpark? I'll wait..

Yeah, the machine I have.

Item List
1 x HPX XS8-2462 ( My System January 25, 2013, 3:05 pm ) ( $4,341.00 )
2 x Six-Core Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2630 2.30GHz 15MB Cache (95W)
2 x Supermicro SNK-P0050AP4 Heatsink
Intel® C602 Chipset - Dual Intel® Gigabit Ethernet - 8x SATA
8 x 16GB PC3-12800 1600Mhz DDR3 ECC Registered DIMM
Supermicro SuperChassis 743TQ-1200B-SQ - 4U/Tower - 8 x 3.5" SAS/SATA - 1200W
1.0TB SATA 7200RPM - 3.5" - Western Digital RE4 WD1003FBYX
Samsung 24x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer (SATA)
PNY NVIDIA® GT 520 Commercial Series - 1GB GDDR3 (1xDVI-DL, 1xVGA, 1xHDMI)
Microsoft Wired Desktop 600 Keyboard and Mouse (USB)
No Windows Operating System (Hardware Warranty Only, No Software Support)
System Assembly and Testing (Pedestals and Workstations)
Label - Thinkmate - 1.75" x 0.4375" (Optical Drive)
Three Year Warranty with Advanced Parts Replacement and RSL
Sub-Total: $4,341.00
UPS Ground: $88.00
Total: $4,429.00

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That was basically $4500, then I put 4x3TB HDDs from another vendor in there to get the cost a little over $5K. I know its a comical GPU, but the stuff I do just doesn't use a GPU, I just need to drive a display. If you want, you could bump that up to $6K to add in a W7000 or something....

In your configuration you have 2x2643v2s in there. Those add $2800 a pop over the base configuration with HP. The 2630v2s are $612 from Intel, while the 2643v2s are $885, so just $270-ish bucks increase each. Yet to add the 2643v2s over the 2730v2s to the z820 its $1700 extra each. All the vendors seem to price the 2643v2s like that, so it must be a supply/demand issue or pricing mistake on Intel's website. Anyway, for that kind of cash, you can easily put the 2x2660 10 cores in there ($1100 over the 2630v2s each) or the 2x2670s are the same price.

The K5000 is also $2000. Again, get what you want, its your money, but its very possible to get a reasonably priced 12 or 16 core workstation with a decent GPU (and by that I'm thinking $4-8K range). Take out the K5000 for a more mid-ranged GPU and it shaves off $1000. Then drop the 2643v2s to 2640s (which are 8 cores) or the 2630v2s and you'll save another $2000 or $3400, respectively. You're also paying $330 for that 3TB HDD and $550 for the 512GB SSD. It doesn't add a lot of total cost, but those are overpays as well.

Here's a more moderate 12 configuration from HP on the z820:

Item

Unit cost

Quantity

Total price


-Configurable- HP Z820 Workstation Windows® LJ452AV
HP Z820 Workstation
Windows 7 Professional 64
HP Z820 850W 88% Efficient Chassis
Intel® Xeon® E5-2630 v2 2.60Ghz 15MB 1600 6C 1st CPU
Intel® Xeon® E5-2630 v2 2.60Ghz 15MB 1600 6C 2nd CPU (Must be same speed as Processor 1.)
HP Z820 Localization Kit
HP Dual Processor Air Cooling Kit (Supported with Dual Processors only. Not supported with Liquid Cooling solution.)
AMD FirePro W7000 4GB 4xDP 1st No cables included Graphics
32GB DDR3-1866 (8x4GB) 2CPU Registered RAM (Supported only with Dual Processor.)
256GB SATA 1st Solid State Drive
HP No Optical Drive Option
HP Single Unit Packaging
HP USB Standard Keyboard
HP USB Optical Mouse
No Recovery Media Included (Not supported when either Win7 32 or Win7 64 Recovery Restore CDs is ordered.)
HP 3/3/3 Warranty


$6,758.00

Update
$6,758.00

Remove item
Configure item
Call for availability.
Subtotal: $6,758.001
Business lease cost: (48 months) » Apply online $183.142

Then the 20% the regularly offer would drop that to about $5,400.

Look, I'm not trying to be aggressive, its just what you're claiming with such certainty is just completely false and now we see why. You went for the 3.5GHz 2643v2s which are crazy expensive compared to the typical 2.0-2.6 GHz 6 and 8 core processors.....

 

[MattDSLR]

Well I just priced out nMP
Specifications
2.7GHz 12-core with 30MB of L3 cache
64GB (4 x 16GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
1TB PCIe-based flash storage
Dual AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad - English (USA)
User's Guide (English)
Sharp 32" PN-K321 - 4K Ultra HD LED Monitor
AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro- Auto-enroll
PROMISE Pegasus2 R4 8TB (4 by 2TB) BTW speed of this drive is limited to drive used speed, so unless you use SSD you will be very limited and USB3 is more than enough for that drive
and it came out to 16k plus our taxes for a total of $18,000.00
This computer will be just a bit faster than my current 12 core.
So here is my decision
Drobo D will stay and I will use it as a back up storage
I will order NEW Video card and 2 TB SSD (Raid two 1 TB drives)
for a total of 2,200.00
This will give me a bit faster computer than an 8 core nMP mini.
Mu current Mac Pro has 18 TB internal storage and and just added 18 TB DroboD and internal BR drive
Just testing DROBO D on the file transfer 120 read and 97 MB/Sec write speed
As a back up it will do
And I do not have to worry about speed and storage for next two to 3 years
and I can upgrade two older bodies to the new ones if they will ever brake, plus my wife and I con go on vacation for 20 days with the money saved

 

[echoout]

It'll be really interesting to see if the benchmarks the nMP BTO folks get make me feel at ALL bad about the purchases I've made this year, in speed differences, time (not wasted waiting) and/or money. I'm somehow doubting it.

Should be interesting!

 

[Tutor]

Congratulations. That's twice as many as I've got. And then there's Tutor...

And?