iPad Why can’t people use iPad as iPad and Computer as computer

[Mainsail]

I just don’t know if I will ever buy another laptop. I have a MBA, but I primarily use a basic 2017 iPad for mobile computing. With recent improvements in iOS etc.., I rarely need to use a traditional computer. We also have a family Mac Mini that I can share with my wife and use for the occasional heavy lifting and tasks that can’t be easily handled by my iPad. But, I rarely use the Mac Mini.

So rather than buying 2 laptops, we function effectively with 2 basic iPads and one shared desktop. Desktops last a long time because they sit comfortably in the same spot and don’t get beat up like most laptops. Mac Mini ($600) + 2 iPad’s (2x$300) = $1,200......less than the retail price for one entry level rMB. Of course, you need a monitor, keyboard, and mouse for the Mac Mini.....but almost everyone has these laying around the house.

I think the lines between tablet, laptop, and desktop are blurring, so people are constantly exploring what devices they really need and how best to get things done with limited resources. This is the reason you keep seeing people bringing up using an iPad as a primary computing device.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

It might be an issue for you, but it doesn't mean it's been overlooked. I doubt there are large scores of people out there using their iOS devices to make 10 copies of an image with only slight modifications that are not immediately visible to the naked eye.

As has been posted above - it's a different way of thinking about interfacing with computers. Apple is giving us a very visual, touch-based user interface to a mobile device. You do have to think differently about how you interface with content on your device. Some people like it and others don't.

Personally, I love it! If I never had to worry about file names or where I put a file ever again, that would be a good thing. I know there are others that need to control that organization in a traditional sense.

As to media, I'm assuming these are not purchased videos. Are you watching these videos through the Photo app?

I consider that way of thinking a disorganized mess, "Yeah, I don’t have to worry about cleaning up. I like how it’s just a jumbo mess."

Photos - It’s not just about slight modifications. Just trying to organize/categorize photos shouldn’t be difficult or completely impossible. If you want to search for a specific photo or better yet if you want to rearrange the order of your library, it’s impossible with the existing default photo app. Let’s say, you attend a concert or sporting event. You take 25 photos each. A year later you attend a different concert and another sporting event, you snap another 35 photos. In between that span of time, you’ve got other miscellaneous photos in between your first set of concert/sporting event photos and your current set. There’s no way to group them together because, yes, it’s an oversight. Don’t use my one example to determine if it’s needed. Think about the possibilities if we can organize and rename photos.

Media - standard Apple TV app on the ipad. It comes equipped with all ipads. It’s actually better now, however. Even though the thumbnail still cuts off the title, tapping on the thumbnail now brings up the video information and displays the full title in its entirety regardless of title length. That tells me initially years ago that having the title cut off was an absolute oversight. It was a disaster.

These are my video ripped from my Blu ray / DVD purchases.

The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...,
The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...
The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...
The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...

To me, it’s a shame when users simply accept the way apple goes about things, and how apple can essentially do no wrong. If the ipad had a photo organization feature built in, you’d probably welcome it. Even if you don’t make use of it, it’s there for those that do. If apple takes away the headphone jack, response ‘sweet, I didn’t want the headphone jack anyways.’ Take away the home button, ‘sweet I never cared much for the home button’. Take away etc, etc, ‘sweet i never wanted them anyways.’

Alright, instead of the word ‘overlooked,’ how about I use the phrase, ‘it was and still is a terrible decision.’ Let me retract that, it is overlooked. It was overlooked with video titles but apple came to their senses and fixed it. It’ll likely be the same when they get around to putting in a fix for photos, at which point, I will stand by what I say, and that it’s an oversight for those that like things organized.

 

[gobikerider]

Just out of interest, and no challenge implied, what smaller things is it that are troublesome?

In my case, I have had to unlearn a number of ways to doing things on MacOS that are different on iOS. Not wrong just different so I’m interested to hear what you find problematic.

Just out of interest, and no challenge

Just out of interest, and no challenge implied, what smaller things is it that are troublesome?

In my case, I have had to unlearn a number of ways to doing things on MacOS that are different on iOS. Not wrong just different so I’m interested to hear what you find problematic.

for instance this text box is broken when it’s fine on MacOS. My music shouldn’t pause when an webpage has media content on it that I haven’t directly told to play. Google drive website is “unoptimized”. Yet the app is its own mess. I just feel like everything is slightly broken “for lack of a better term”. Not literally broken well actually in some cases but other times it’s things are just off. I’d expect the iPad to run some of these things like a Mac by now. iPad optimized interface but full functionality Hopefully Marzipan can change that

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[bensisko]

To me, it’s a shame when users simply accept the way apple goes about things, and how apple can essentially do no wrong. If the ipad had a photo organization feature built in, you’d probably welcome it. Even if you don’t make use of it, it’s there for those that do. If apple takes away the headphone jack, response ‘sweet, I didn’t want the headphone jack anyways.’ Take away the home button, ‘sweet I never cared much for the home button’. Take away etc, etc, ‘sweet i never wanted them anyways.’

Alright, instead of the word ‘overlooked,’ how about I use the phrase, ‘it was and still is a terrible decision.’ Let me retract that, it is overlooked. It was overlooked with video titles but apple came to their senses and fixed it. It’ll likely be the same when they get around to putting in a fix for photos, at which point, I will stand by what I say, and that it’s an oversight for those that like things organized.

And isn’t it wonderful that there are lots of different products made by different companies to fit different user needs?

It sounds like an iPad is just not suited for what you want to do. By the way, you loose a lot of people in a discussion if you try to say people who like the current product are automatically in the “Apple can do no wrong” crowd. Also, just because you don’t like a decision, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Personally, I LOVE the simplicity iOS offers over the complexity of desktop systems. You can organize photos/videos into albums and they’re also sorted automatically by location and date. If you want more than that, perhaps you should check out other photo managers.

 

[muzzy996]

I consider that way of thinking a disorganized mess, "Yeah, I don’t have to worry about cleaning up. I like how it’s just a jumbo mess."

Photos - It’s not just about slight modifications. Just trying to organize/categorize photos shouldn’t be difficult or completely impossible. If you want to search for a specific photo or better yet if you want to rearrange the order of your library, it’s impossible with the existing default photo app. Let’s say, you attend a concert or sporting event. You take 25 photos each. A year later you attend a different concert and another sporting event, you snap another 35 photos. In between that span of time, you’ve got other miscellaneous photos in between your first set of concert/sporting event photos and your current set. There’s no way to group them together because, yes, it’s an oversight. Don’t use my one example to determine if it’s needed. Think about the possibilities if we can organize and rename photos.

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Totally understand this one and although it’s not an issue for me because I use Google Photos for my photo storage I would think that by now the native Photos application would have the functionality to see more information about an image and interact with that info/metadata. Even the native Files app does not have access to the camera roll as a “Location”. Sad really, as it makes users immediately gravitate to other applications in order to get better workflows that they desire other than just browsing thumbnails.

 

[sparksd]

Totally understand this one and although it’s not an issue for me because I use Google Photos for my photo storage I would think that by now the native Photos application would have the functionality to see more information about an image and interact with that info/metadata. Even the native Files app does not have access to the camera roll as a “Location”. Sad really, as it makes users immediately gravitate to other applications in order to get better workflows that they desire other than just browsing thumbnails.

A true photo DAM would be great to have on the iPad. Affinity is talking about it but they haven't gotten there yet.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

And isn’t it wonderful that there are lots of different products made by different companies to fit different user needs?

It sounds like an iPad is just not suited for what you want to do. By the way, you loose a lot of people in a discussion if you try to say people who like the current product are automatically in the “Apple can do no wrong” crowd. Also, just because you don’t like a decision, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Personally, I LOVE the simplicity iOS offers over the complexity of desktop systems. You can organize photos/videos into albums and they’re also sorted automatically by location and date. If you want more than that, perhaps you should check out other photo managers.

And just because one person (that would be you) likes less personalized control doesnt mean everyone and their grandma likes it.

By the way, I thought you didn’t care about naming convention and organization? One second you love the fact that you don’t have to worry about personally organizing your stash of photos and whatever documents because the iPad does it automatically, but here you go saying otherwise. How do you organize photos/videos into albums? What about organization into categories and not dates/locations? So you do care right?

On the contrary, the iPad fits exactly with what I want to do sprinkled in with various inconveniences. It allows me to draw digitally, read pdf books, mobile game, and haul my DVD sitcoms on the go. It allows me to lay on the floor (i.e. my bed) and do all of that. Yes, I’ve purposely gotten rid of my mattress; better on the back, and simply feels more comfortable on the floor.

You really had to go there. Losing a lot of people doesn’t matter if there’s remote truth behind it. Those who are full blown die hards and strictly apple has a certain mindset, and you know it. You may not be one, you may not be totally in that camp, but without a doubt there are those that is all in on Apple and see them as a company that can do no wrong. I say definitively that you most likely lost a staggering number when you proclaimed your love for not needing to care about photo organizational strutcture. Do you walk into your room and simply chuck your belongs on the floor and say you love it?

Again, as mentioned already, Apple fixed their TV Watch app that would cut off the video file’s title in the past. It’s been updated to display the entire title when you tap on the video. That to me is indirectly admitting that they were wrong or completely overlooked the feature. Why would they implement this feature at the present time if it wasn’t ‘overlooked’ and just plain wrong back then? The same will go to photos if or when they give users the ability to organize things and rename them.


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Totally understand this one and although it’s not an issue for me because I use Google Photos for my photo storage I would think that by now the native Photos application would have the functionality to see more information about an image and interact with that info/metadata. Even the native Files app does not have access to the camera roll as a “Location”. Sad really, as it makes users immediately gravitate to other applications in order to get better workflows that they desire other than just browsing thumbnails.

I’m guessing Google Photos relies on the cloud right? I’ve actually disabled the cloud storing feature for photos. I didn’t like the fact that ‘live photo’ automatically kicked in when I took a picture of a document with fineprint or a video, both requiring internet access to retrieve their high quality counterparts. In fact, the video simply wouldn’t play in the absence in the absence of the internet. I had no clue what "live photo" was until I could not access my videos when my ipad didn’t have internet access at the most important time. Who thought that was a good idea? Yes I’ve manage to convert thise live photos and videos to strictly offline.

 

[Mahasamatman]

for instance this text box is broken when it’s fine on MacOS.

I have no idea what you managed to do with that, i’ve never seen anything like it. Yes, for some reason the MacRumours forum doesn’t handle the cursor keys at all well but I’ve never seen that abomination.

My music shouldn’t pause when an webpage has media content on it that I haven’t directly told to play.

I’d turn that around, the content on the web page should not play, my music should carry on playing. Media on web sites that auto plays is an abomination.

Google drive website is “unoptimized”. Yet the app is its own mess. I just feel like everything is slightly broken “for lack of a better term”. Not literally broken well actually in some cases but other times it’s things are just off. I’d expect the iPad to run some of these things like a Mac by now. iPad optimized interface but full functionality Hopefully Marzipan can change that

I agree there are limitations still, but I guess I just have a much happier experience and don’t see the same level of issue.
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A true photo DAM would be great to have on the iPad. Affinity is talking about it but they haven't gotten there yet.

Lightroom CC Mobile fits the bill for me.

 

[ericwn]

I consider that way of thinking a disorganized mess, "Yeah, I don’t have to worry about cleaning up. I like how it’s just a jumbo mess."

Photos - It’s not just about slight modifications. Just trying to organize/categorize photos shouldn’t be difficult or completely impossible. If you want to search for a specific photo or better yet if you want to rearrange the order of your library, it’s impossible with the existing default photo app. Let’s say, you attend a concert or sporting event. You take 25 photos each. A year later you attend a different concert and another sporting event, you snap another 35 photos. In between that span of time, you’ve got other miscellaneous photos in between your first set of concert/sporting event photos and your current set. There’s no way to group them together because, yes, it’s an oversight. Don’t use my one example to determine if it’s needed. Think about the possibilities if we can organize and rename photos.

Media - standard Apple TV app on the ipad. It comes equipped with all ipads. It’s actually better now, however. Even though the thumbnail still cuts off the title, tapping on the thumbnail now brings up the video information and displays the full title in its entirety regardless of title length. That tells me initially years ago that having the title cut off was an absolute oversight. It was a disaster.

These are my video ripped from my Blu ray / DVD purchases.

The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...,
The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...
The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...
The Big Bang Theory - S2E ...

To me, it’s a shame when users simply accept the way apple goes about things, and how apple can essentially do no wrong. If the ipad had a photo organization feature built in, you’d probably welcome it. Even if you don’t make use of it, it’s there for those that do. If apple takes away the headphone jack, response ‘sweet, I didn’t want the headphone jack anyways.’ Take away the home button, ‘sweet I never cared much for the home button’. Take away etc, etc, ‘sweet i never wanted them anyways.’

Alright, instead of the word ‘overlooked,’ how about I use the phrase, ‘it was and still is a terrible decision.’ Let me retract that, it is overlooked. It was overlooked with video titles but apple came to their senses and fixed it. It’ll likely be the same when they get around to putting in a fix for photos, at which point, I will stand by what I say, and that it’s an oversight for those that like things organized.

I don’t believe for a second that the majority of the user base use the photos app for any heavy lifting. Not because they can’t do it, it’s because most people don’t perform certain stuff. And I sure as hell don’t expect many ios users to be fiddling with file names.

iPhoto and Aperture on the Mac for most users didn’t confront you with file names much if any, and photos follows in that mindset. Sure, that may be a downside for some but if it would affect the majority of their customers negatively, Apple would work on a better solution.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

I don’t believe for a second that the majority of the user base use the photos app for any heavy lifting. Not because they can’t do it, it’s because most people don’t perform certain stuff. And I sure as hell don’t expect many ios users to be fiddling with file names.

iPhoto and Aperture on the Mac for most users didn’t confront you with file names much if any, and photos follows in that mindset. Sure, that may be a downside for some but if it would affect the majority of their customers negatively, Apple would work on a better solution.

No. Apple does what’s best for them. Their real slogan is ‘Get behind us, or get bent.’

How can you expect any user to use the photo app when it’s barebones? Naming and organization is not heavy lifting. It’s a simple feather weight task. I can’t believe anyone is remotely okay and actually defends the current photo app. Of course no heavy lifting because the photo app is a pile of turd. It’s thrown together just for the sake of having something for default storage. If it had any real features, people would actually use it.

Yes, I’ll find a proper phioto app that caters to my needs. There’s probably plenty, but that still doesn’t excuse Apple for being short sighted. Yes, it was short sighted. Yes, short sighted. So what’s your reasoning for why apple decided to bring back full titles for videos in the default TV app? When it was restrictive, you probably were saying no one cared and its just Apple’s way. Now it’s actually a feature; by definition, not having it was short sighted.

You’re probably part of the group that sees Apple knows best for the greater majority of their decisions. Before you say they’re a juggernaut in the marketplace for a reason, just know that even massive corporations can do wrong. Search the web for file name changing or photo name change, and you’ve got people wanting to know how.

Love your mentality and your slogan, ‘just deal with it because i’m a follower and a puppet.’

You’re part of the problem. Just stop. Oh yeah, stop defending mediocrity.

 

[ericwn]

No. Apple does what’s best for them. Their real slogan is ‘Get behind us, or get bent.’

How can you expect any user to use the photo app when it’s barebones? Naming and organization is not heavy lifting. It’s a simple feather weight task. I can’t believe anyone is remotely okay and actually defends the current photo app. Of course no heavy lifting because the photo app is a pile of turd. It’s thrown together just for the sake of having something for default storage. If it had any real features, people would actually use it.

Yes, I’ll find a proper phioto app that caters to my needs. There’s probably plenty, but that still doesn’t excuse Apple for being short sighted. Yes, it was short sighted. Yes, short sighted. So what’s your reasoning for why apple decided to bring back full titles for videos in the default TV app? When it was restrictive, you probably were saying no one cared and its just Apple’s way. Now it’s actually a feature; by definition, not having it was short sighted.

You’re probably part of the group that sees Apple knows best for the greater majority of their decisions. Before you say they’re a juggernaut in the marketplace for a reason, just know that even massive corporations can do wrong. Search the web for file name changing or photo name change, and you’ve got people wanting to know how.

Love your mentality and your slogan, ‘just deal with it because i’m a follower and a puppet.’

You’re part of the problem. Just stop. Oh yeah, stop defending mediocrity.

You seem to have issues receiving feedback. That’s fine, we all learn in different speeds.
I am not defending the photos app but using it and I come from an Aperture background. And guess what- renaming photos is not part of my workflow. Never has been. Never was necessary in Apple’s apps. I understand that’s not heavy lifting but that was not my point either. Point was it isn’t as useful for everyone as you may think.

Go and find a better app and rename your files and be happy.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

You seem to have issues receiving feedback. That’s fine, we all learn in different speeds.
I am not defending the photos app but using it and I come from an Aperture background. And guess what- renaming photos is not part of my workflow. Never has been. Never was necessary in Apple’s apps. I understand that’s not heavy lifting but that was not my point either. Point was it isn’t as useful for everyone as you may think.

Go and find a better app and rename your files and be happy.

What kind of bend over approach is that?

And you are defending it. You are fully defending mediocrity. Point is IF it was available it would be used. It’s not used because there’s no way to ‘access’ the feature. Is that any clearer? How difficult is that to get? There isn’t going to be any statistics on how often or if a feature is used IF it’s not even available.

I have issues with people being complacent with a product. Your last remark telling one to go find a better app is accepting mediocrity. That’s the point. Apple introducing full video titles, finally, is indicative that it was an oversight. Once Apple allows photos to be renamed and organized is also when they will admit to it being an oversight. It’s only a matter of time.

 

[Jonr515]

I personally like the Ipad vs. XYZ topics because I have learned how to be more efficient with my IPP. It hasn't replaced my MBA full time, but if I lost my MBA I wouldn't be dead in the water. Thanks to the users who provide insight on how their Ipad has replaced their PC.

 

[ericwn]

What kind of bend over approach is that?

And you are defending it. You are fully defending mediocrity. Point is IF it was available it would be used. It’s not used because there’s no way to ‘access’ the feature. Is that any clearer? How difficult is that to get? There isn’t going to be any statistics on how often or if a feature is used IF it’s not even available.

I have issues with people being complacent with a product. Your last remark telling one to go find a better app is accepting mediocrity. That’s the point. Apple introducing full video titles, finally, is indicative that it was an oversight. Once Apple allows photos to be renamed and organized is also when they will admit to it being an oversight. It’s only a matter of time.

The feature was available on the Mac for a while. Prove to me how many users you have encountered that used it. My point is that not many people did use it back then. How difficult is that to get?

I organise my photos in photos. Might not work for you, sorry to hear. Find something that suits you better. You are just bitter that Apple doesn’t build their stuff with your needs in mind.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

The feature was available on the Mac for a while. Prove to me how many users you have encountered that used it. My point is that not many people did use it back then. How difficult is that to get?

I organise my photos in photos. Might not work for you, sorry to hear. Find something that suits you better and stop whining. You are just bitter that Apple doesn’t build their stuff with your needs in mind.

If said feature is not available on the iPad, there’s no way to gather statistics. How difficult is that to understand?

It’s not about me, not about one person alone. It’s not about users on one single macrumors website. It’s about all users. It’s about options.

 

[Jonr515]

For me I agree an Ipad won't replace my MBA, yet, but I've learned of the things it can. what yes people are you talking about?

 

[strawberryshortcake]

For me I agree an Ipad won't replace my MBA, yet, but I've learned of the things it can. what yes people are you talking about? (either way calling someone names is childish)

If you had scanned the responses, I’m strictly referring to individuals that are openly accepting of what Apple does every step of the way. We’ll get rid of that headphone jack for you, we’ll get rid of the home button, we’ll keep pestering you with notifications to update your iOS, etc.

In the world of sports video games, there’s a phenomenon called rubberband artificial intelligence. When the user goes up big, the game is and can be programmed to flip the switch to keep the scores close. Developers will say there’s no rubberband AI. Die hard fans of said game and the company will chatise any outsider that question the developers because the developers won’t lie. Come to find out after so many years, you do hear the developers admit the game did have pieces of code in place to trigger the rubberband AI.

The point is don’t just accept. Don’t settle. Want something better.

 

[ericwn]

If said feature is not available on the iPad, there’s no way to gather statistics. How difficult is that to understand?

It’s not about me, not about one person alone. It’s not about users on one single macrumors website. It’s about all users. It’s about options.

For the last time I have drawn a historical comparison to the same feature on the Mac which used to be my platform for photos for over a decade. Never used the feature there, not going to change on iOS.
That’s the differing opinion that’s on the table.

I don’t watch TV shows on my iPad, so I cannot share your insights into how many letters of a file name are displayed there. Sounds annoying but again I don’t have experience there.

Just use the tool that suits you best.

 

[Jonr515]

If you had scanned the responses, I’m strictly referring to individuals that are openly accepting of what Apple does every step of the way. We’ll get rid of that headphone jack for you, we’ll get rid of the home button, we’ll keep pestering you with notifications to update your iOS, etc.

In the world of sports video games, there’s a phenomenon called rubberband artificial intelligence. When the user goes up big, the game is and can be programmed to flip the switch to keep the scores close. Developers will say there’s no rubberband AI. Die hard fans of said game and the company will chatise any outsider that question the developers because the developers won’t lie. Come to find out after so many years, you do hear the developers admit the game did have pieces of code in place to trigger the rubberband AI.

The point is don’t just accept. Don’t settle. Want something better.

Consumers trust Apple to innovate, Steve Jobs changed the smartphone/digital computing world. You have to take that into consideration, obviously there will only ever be one SJ. That being said the Apple culture lives strong. I agree with you consumers should always ask for more, it makes Apple (or any other company better) That being said, the message can be communicated without calling people names. I think you and I agree more than not, just don't see eye to eye on delivery. For example, my iPhone X works great for me I don't call people who don't like it Ïdiots.."

 

[strawberryshortcake]

Consumers trust Apple to innovate, Steve Jobs changed the smartphone/digital computing world. You have to take that into consideration, obviously there will only ever be one SJ. That being said the Apple culture lives strong. I agree with you consumers should always ask for more, it makes Apple (or any other company better) That being said, the message can be communicated without calling people names. I think you and I agree more than not, just don't see eye to eye on delivery. For example, my iPhone X works great for me I don't call people who don't like it Ïdiots.."

Are they innovating or just perfecting? as some would say. You hear people claim everything Apple ‘s doing has been done. I personally don’t care. Just give me the better product.

My initial point was simple, give the user the ability to rename photos for better organization. I don’t need someone telling me he doesn’t use it so it’s useless. That’s unfortunately a selfish way of looking at things. Why couldn’t the opposition have been open to the idea that Apple could have overlooked this feature just like they did with video file names.

 

[rui no onna]

My initial point was simple, give the user the ability to rename photos for better organization. I don’t need someone telling me he doesn’t use it so it’s useless. That’s unfortunately a selfish way of looking at things. Why couldn’t the opposition have been open to the idea that Apple could have overlooked this feature just like they did with video file names.

Have you sent feedback to Apple regarding this? Because I doubt a wishlist on an internet forum's gonna accomplish anything. The more people request a certain feature, then the more likely Apple will pay attention.

Personally, I buy iOS devices because they meet my usage requirements. Of course, minor annoyances are inevitable (can't please everyone) but not enough to be a deal breaker. If they stop doing what I need them to do, then I'd stop using/buying them.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

Have you sent feedback to Apple regarding this? Because I doubt a wishlist on an internet forum's gonna accomplish anything. The more people request a certain feature, then the more likely Apple will pay attention.

Personally, I buy iOS devices because they meet my usage requirements. Of course, minor annoyances are inevitable (can't please everyone) but not enough to be a deal breaker. If they stop doing what I need them to do, then I'd stop using/buying them.

Appreciate your understanding and courtesy response. I know it may seem like a massive deal with all the back and forth, but honestly, as you said it’s honestly a minor inconvenience that should have been just that. It is also why I haven’t gotten in touch with Apple. But will likely do so now. I’ll even mention the updated video titles to get their attention.

edit: i would still like to see Apple give the photo app a ‘fix’ just like they did with video file titles.


Side note if anyone cares; not important: I was honestly going to completely leave the apple ecosystem after wrestling with 2012 ipad 4 retina for 6 years.

Just a whole bunch of inconveniences that continue to build on each other — sync issues with the itunes, the virtual keyboard kept disappearing within the last year when searching amazon, target, any webpage. This was the last straw. I was heavily considering the Surface until I tested the Apple pencil, specifically for drawing. Felt great. Waited until a solid deal came up. Late 2017, I picked up the 12.9 512gb. Come to find out, the culprit was the Dolphin browser all along; switching back to Safari on the ipad 4 and I never had to deal with the disappearing keyboard again.

The Apple store associate, who sounded like he knew everything about apple, didn’t even consider it could be the browser. All he said was it’s most likely the websites giving me fits.

 

[tagumcity]

It's the way of the future! /thread closed.

Absolutely on the mark!
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Said by who?

The sales statistics and growth of Apple are the apparent evidence of device type used for computing.

 

[Nugget]

Absolutely on the mark! The sales statistics and growth of Apple are the apparent evidence of device type used for computing.

Which leads us right back here. If iOS is Apple's future, then Lenovo is mine. What a sad end to my 30 year relationship with Apple.

 

[tagumcity]

Which leads us right back here. If iOS is Apple's future, then Lenovo is mine. What a sad end to my 30 year relationship with Apple.

IOS may dominate the Apple product line for the majority of consumers, though a specialized group will run different types computing systems.

I’ve been very satisfied running Linux on Lenovo for ten years, though presently I only use it in a limited way. The IOS devices account for 90% of my computer use, because of the efficiency of the form factor and its stability.