iPad Why can’t people use iPad as iPad and Computer as computer

[Aegelward]

I think games are still somewhat behind on an iPad, and while its perfectly fine for certain types of games, i think the available control schemes are a stumbling block. More constant gamepad support from developers could help, or maybe finally adding mouse support to iOS

And while i'm fine with an iPad as a portable device, i'm a little old fashioned and sit at one of those darn desk thing.

 

[rowspaxe]

Touch interface doesn’t disqualify it from being a “real computer” anymore than a mouse on a 1984 Apple computer made it less of a computer compared to PCs at the time that didn’t have it. It’s just a DIFERENT type of interface.

Dream on. Mouse is way more efficient than touch for complex interfaces. Apple borrowed the mouse from Xerox. There were IBM pc's with mice in the mid eighties.

 

[Abazigal]

I think games are still somewhat behind on an iPad, and while its perfectly fine for certain types of games, i think the available control schemes are a stumbling block. More constant gamepad support from developers could help, or maybe finally adding mouse support to iOS

And while i'm fine with an iPad as a portable device, i'm a little old fashioned and sit at one of those darn desk thing.

I agree. I find iPads are ideal for board games and card games. Warhammer quest is still one of my favourite turn based RPG games on my iPad, even though it’s dated and no longer supported. Then there are games like implosion which work remarkably well with game controllers. Hope to see more of such games come to iOS.

 

[Centris 650]

Dream on. Mouse is way more efficient than touch for complex interfaces. Apple borrowed the mouse from Xerox. There were IBM pc's with mice in the mid eighties.

None of my college’s PCs had mice in 1987. The first Mac I used in 1988 was revolutionary. It was so different. The people in the science building called it a MacinToy. It wasn’t a real computer. I’ve heard it all before. This generation EXPECTS things to be touch screen. It’s second nature to them. All in all an iPad is a computer. Your phone is a computer. Deal with it.

 

[ChrisChaval]

Like how he think PC users are sad?

well, I couldn't care less about Mr. Schillers feelings

as others posted, these are different devices for different needs. for some users an iPad will suffice, for me it does not, but I like to have it because its easy to carry around and ideal for media consumption and for doing some light stuff

as Mr. Cook noted and as Microsoft painfully experienced with windows 8, it does not make sense to merge a touch os and a computer os, nor to force users to use touch when it is neither useful nor required but contra productive.

computer and tablets are designed for different scenarios and each excels at what it is designed to do best.

never made sense to me anyway why Mr. Schiller would encourage people to buy an iPad instead of a Mac AND an iPad, but hey, what do I know about marketing

 

[LovingTeddy]

None of my college’s PCs had mice in 1987. The first Mac I used in 1988 was revolutionary. It was so different. The people in the science building called it a MacinToy. It wasn’t a real computer. I’ve heard it all before. This generation EXPECTS things to be touch screen. It’s second nature to them. All in all an iPad is a computer. Your phone is a computer. Deal with it.

Try to navigate Excel files with several thousands of columns and rows and combined with lots of functions. It is nightmare to do on iPads. Simple is that.

 

[bluecoast]

I only use my Mac for productivity but even then, it outclasses the iPad for productivity tasks:

• Better window management. Drag and drop to other applications and finder
• Multiple tabs on the finder. Multiple finder windows.
• Multiple browser windows (all tabbed)
• Multiple workspaces
• Quicker and easier to use the mouse, move windows and focus and touch type

Honestly, I think if you’re working in multiple apps and switching between many tasks...

(Say word processing, text processing, spreadsheets, chat, web apps etc)

...I simply cannot see how you could possibly do anything like this faster on the iPad, right now.

 

[Abazigal]

Honestly, I think if you’re working in multiple apps and switching between many tasks...

(Say word processing, text processing, spreadsheets, chat, web apps etc)

...I simply cannot see how you could possibly do anything like this faster on the iPad, right now.

Which then begs the question - do you need to be hopping amongst so many different apps at any one time?

 

[bluecoast]

Which then begs the question - do you need to be hopping amongst so many different apps at any one time?

Project management working on many projects at the same time. Reports. Road maps etc.

I think the iPad can work if you’re focussed on one task, mostly. But I have to task switch. I just have to.

 

[Abazigal]

Project management working on many projects at the same time. Reports. Road maps etc.

I think the iPad can work if you’re focussed on one task, mostly. But I have to task switch. I just have to.

Yeah, that will require multiple huge monitors and lots of documents / files open.

 

[bluecoast]

Yeah, that will require multiple huge monitors and lots of documents / files open.

It does... I’m not down on the iPad. Neither am I for the Mac or the pc.

Personally I’d love for the iPad to get:

• Better space management
• Some sort of Optional indirect input (trackpad/mouse)
• Multi user logins

And simply for the Mac to get rid of it’s cruft and get some of the UX simplicity of the iPad (chiefly around installing/launching/deleting applications)

 

[eVolcre]

Project management working on many projects at the same time. Reports. Road maps etc.

I think the iPad can work if you’re focussed on one task, mostly. But I have to task switch. I just have to.

I’m an author. I HAVE to task switch just like you. In the writing stage I’ll have notes and reference files to look at. In the editing stage my 24” monitor has my editors comments on the left, my running outline for changes on the right and the actual document I’m writing on the laptop screen below. (Can’t write on a huge screen. Somehow a smaller screen lets me focus on the next line more)

When I’m trying to sell, excel spreadsheet for agent names, query tracker, browser for research on new agents and their latest projects, calendar, multiple instances of word docs open , email (obviously) and an ability (on the fly and easily) to access any version of my Manuscript, grab the requested excerpt pages and turn that into a pdf.

All along the way work on the “platform”. So instagram, FB, YouTube, blog, easy access to photos, slight vlog editing you name it.

Now I’m willing to move my mobile work to an iPad. In fact I AM. Switching from a laptop to an iPad Pro as soon as we know what’s next. It may work. But I’ll always need a desktop or laptop with a big monitor attached and that’s just fine.

I’ll try and be iPad only for mobile and give it a good 3 months. Laptops bore me now to be honest. And if I can’t I have my 2011 MBA still going strong and I’ll just throw that In the bag if I know I’ll be away from the office for more than 48 hours.

 

[AttilaTheHun]

Wow thread has degraded to telling others how to use language and my definition is more truthful than yours. Well done...

it's OK i can understand him and I don't insult but according to him AW is a computer too

 

[CharlesShaw]

Project management working on many projects at the same time. Reports. Road maps etc.

I think the iPad can work if you’re focussed on one task, mostly. But I have to task switch. I just have to.

Now I’m wondering if some people are using multiple iPads simultaneously for work.

 

[eVolcre]

Now I’m wondering if some people are using multiple iPads simultaneously for work.

I’ll have to find it. It’s in the ravtech filehub thread. There’s a guy with one heck of a setup. Dual iPad pros. One with that jump mouse thingamajig running a virtual setup.

I think you reach the point where If you’re using multiple iPads for work, why not use one iPad and one cheap laptop?

I look at an iPad as a potential MOBILE LAPTOP replacement not a desktop replacement. I suppose you *could* do it but why? It’s like hammering a square peg into a round hole. Use the tool or machine best suited for the task at hand.

Frankly if Apple made a decent Mac mini I’d be so set. My MBA is a de facto portable desktop replacement. Can’t really carry an iMac from country to country. With a Mac mini (or nano) I could just check it into a backpack and set up my desktop wherever I go. Magic Trackpad and keyboard arr Portable. Monitors are now cheap enough that you can buy one for a 3 month assignent and just give it away when done.

 

[Mahasamatman]

Try to navigate Excel files with several thousands of columns and rows and combined with lots of functions. It is nightmare to do on iPads. Simple is that.

So even if I don’t have that need and so don’t see that limitation, does that still mean I’m not allowed to call my IPP a computer? And this in spite of the fact that for me it fulfills all of the needs I currently have of a computer, and has done for six months or so?

 

[Mahasamatman]

And aside from anything else, Apple seem to define a computer as something that needs loads of dongles, so here’s the three I use with my IPP. Surely that makes it a real computer?

 

[DoubleFlyaway]

And aside from anything else, Apple seem to define a computer as something that needs loads of dongles, so here’s the three I use with my IPP. Surely that makes it a real computer?

This sounds dirty, but... Tell me about your dangles.

 

[Mathias Denichi]

Once I can properly use inspect element, run a vm, and hope that vscode for iOS comes out, I’m up to using my iPad 100% of the time.

 

[Mahasamatman]

This sounds dirty, but... Tell me about your dangles.

Easy Tiger

 

[DNichter]

Which controller, (bluetooth or other means?) and battery life, charge method or rechargeable battery replacement?



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SteelSeries Nimbus. Works through Bluetooth, charges via lightning. Usually lasts for about 2-3 weeks.

 

[s2mikey]

I agree. I find iPads are ideal for board games and card games. Warhammer quest is still one of my favourite turn based RPG games on my iPad, even though it’s dated and no longer supported. Then there are games like implosion which work remarkably well with game controllers. Hope to see more of such games come to iOS.

I think driving games can be OK too - the screen tilt for steering and gas/brake controls with the left and right thimbs seems to work OK for me. Overal though, yeah, there are some types of games that simply work better with a mouse and/or full fledged controller. Some sports games like football, hockey and basketball come to mind.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

I think driving games can be OK too - the screen tilt for steering and gas/brake controls with the left and right thimbs seems to work OK for me. Overal though, yeah, there are some types of games that simply work better with a mouse and/or full fledged controller. Some sports games like football, hockey and basketball come to mind.

Axis 17 football iOS (free) actually makes great use of the touch screen point-to-throw system. It’s a traditional ‘real’ football game. Call plays, control players, switch players, franchise/season mode, etc.

Tap anywhere on the screen and the quarterback will throw to that spot, and the receivers must make adjustments. You can significantly under or over throw the receiver unlike tradition football games. The only other football game (on consoles, xbox one original) that has the same mechanics was NFL Fever; using the analog stick, you could over or under throw the receivers if you so choose. The receivers will adjust depending on your ball placement.

As a sports gamer only/predominant person, I would still prefer the standard layout/standard thumb controls, but Axis Football’s touch screen controls are fairly well done. Left analog stick to control player movement, right fingers to juke, dodge, dive. The game itself still has a long ways to go. Animations absolutely need major overhaul, and the line of scrimmage needs major work as well as player interactions on the field. After consecutive years on mobile and PC, he’s actually bringing the game to consoles this year. I’m a little surprise that he’s bringing it out this early. Personally, I don’t think the animations in the game are ready for primetime. I’m hoping he does well; sports gamer need more than one football game out in the market place.

 

[iPadified]

Try to navigate Excel files with several thousands of columns and rows and combined with lots of functions. It is nightmare to do on iPads. Simple is that.

Perhaps becuase Excel and Numbers were designed to be used with a mouse. Most ports of desktop program is just simple ports without thought about touch navigation

In terms of speed and versatility, ipad +pencil beats cursor based input for annotating reports, manuscripts etc.

Overall it seem stange that precision of input and navigation decides what is a computer.

Now I’m wondering if some people are using multiple iPads simultaneously for work.

My (older chldren) uses two ipads som3times. One with books on (the slow older iPad) and another with notability for solving qustions. However, the 12.9 makes two iPads redundant to large extent.

I use copy and paste between a mac and a iPad for making presentations. Some thing in Keynote is better on Mac (text input) than on the iPad and vice versa (drawings). The sync possibilities via icloud works OK so it is possible to edit the same presentation more or less simultaniously on Mac and iPad.

 

[sparksd]

Perhaps becuase Excel and Numbers were designed to be used with a mouse. Most ports of desktop program is just simple ports without thought about touch navigation

In terms of speed and versatility, ipad +pencil beats cursor based input for annotating reports, manuscripts etc.

Overall it seem stange that precision of input and navigation decides what is a computer.


My (older chldren) uses two ipads som3times. One with books on (the slow older iPad) and another with notability for solving qustions. However, the 12.9 makes two iPads redundant to large extent.

I use copy and paste between a mac and a iPad for making presentations. Some thing in Keynote is better on Mac (text input) than on the iPad and vice versa (drawings). The sync possibilities via icloud works OK so it is possible to edit the same presentation more or less simultaniously on Mac and iPad.

For you, ipad +pencil may beat a cursor in terms of speed and versatility but it doesn't for me. And precision of input and navigation do not decide what is a computer - since 1971 I've used a whole lot of computers that were absolutely lacking in precise input and navigation but they were certainly computers.