iPad Why can’t people use iPad as iPad and Computer as computer

[ApfelKuchen]

I am sorry to add yet other thread about iPad vs PC. This has been debated several times, but i still don’t get why. All these debate started with Apple’s famous statement that iPad can be PC replacement. But I think this is just flat out none sense.

I mean iPad is iPad, it is not designed to be PC replacement. In functionality wise, there are overlaps. There are things that both can be done. But there are also things PC can do things better and more efficient and there are other things iPad can do things better and more efficient.

iPad was never designed to be PC replacement. Steven pushed iPad out as middle ground of smartphone and PC. It never designed to replace PC, so why there is such debat that iPad can be full PC replacement?

Most of us who was born before 90s, were grew up with Windows 3.1, Windows 95 and so on. Some people were grew up with Mac. I still remember i was running DOS commends and loading Windows 95 from DOS. We grew up with PC interface, mouse and keyboard operations, transfers files back and forth, navigating files from different folders, downloading files to one location and open files from there, we are familiar with grab a USB drive and transfer files that way. PC until this day were still base on these operation and negviation logics.

iPad on other hand is totally different. It has different way to negaivate system UI, it has different way to store files, it has different way to get files transferred, it has different way to install software, it has different way to do almost everything. It is designed completely different way with PC. For lots of us, iPad requires lots of relearning and purchasing whole new set of accessories. And most of us unwilling to do that.

So what am I saying. iPad is different, it is not designed to be full PC replacement nor it serves purpose as full PC replacment. If one try to focus PC mentality to iPad, it will hit the wall hard. We should really draw a line between iPad and PC. Both have its reason to exist and both serves different purpose.

If someone foud that they can do everything on iPad, then good for him/her. But iPad will not be PC replacement nor it should be. Why can’t we just use iPad as iPad and use PC as PC. Why should we have to choose between one but not use both?

I agree with the substance here - iPad and PC deserve to be taken on their own terms. There is overlap in what they can do, and there are specifics that each cannot/does not do. For some, iPad can do everything they need a computing device to do.

In that sense, iPad can "replace" a PC - the PC a particular user has may not be the best tool for that individual. That was definitely true for me for mobile computing. iPad eliminated my need for a laptop. However, I'm still very, very happy having an iMac on my desktop.

That's always been true in computing. If every computing device could do everything every other computing device could do, there would be no product distinction or specialization. People would be paying for even more capabilities they didn't need than they already pay for.

Overall, I think these debates are driven by people's varying interpretations of Apple's marketing messages. Any single message can be taken out of context and spun into a new debate. However, if you combine the messaging, I think things become clearer.

Apple has made many statements as to why they will not merge the Mac and iPad product lines. Essentially, the form factors, UI, and capabilities are sufficiently different to justify separate lines. It's about choice and finding the right tool for the job. I consider this to be the foundation message.

When Apple then says things like "What's a computer?" while showing an iPad, they're asking us, as individuals, to consider whether iPad might be the right tool for us. They tell us that iPad can replace a PC. It's a true conditional statement, but not a universal statement. They're not saying iPad will replace your PC. However, if a person prefers to treat that as a universal statement, they have a great starting point for a debate.

There's a long, ongoing theme in the Apple community that Apple just doesn't care about Mac the way it used to. Funny thing about that - at one time, Mac was Apple's only product. How can they possibly care about Mac with the same single-minded focus when the Apple product line has grown so much? It's like expecting a parent to keep giving their first-born the same amount of attention despite the fact they now have more children. I know, the first-born rarely pleads with Mom and Dad to make another baby. The question is how the eldest deals with things once there's one or more younger siblings in the mix.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

Civ 6? It does have expansion packs, but I think it’s the same as the PC/Mac.

Now that’s more like it. Never played the game. I just ran an iOS search and it comes up as $29.99 full game (in app purchase). That’s something I would purchase if I had any interest. But what I don’t like are the "in app purchase" tags. Are these basically the expansion packs that you’re referring to?

A. Specific to Civilization 6: Is this game also fully offline because that’s the most important part?Does someone want to give their best sales pitch on this game?

B. General question: Are pricier iOS games fully playable without internet connection?

B. General question: Secondly and probably most important above all else ... do you have access to those games for your entire lifetime, and ipads that you’d upgrade to or purchase in the future?

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/07/app-store-apps-disappearing-purchase-history/

Totally fine if you don't like the games on there, just giving you facts. I actually agree with you, but mobile is and likely always will be more lucrative for developers.

Right now I honestly would prefer quality games in mobile platforms. Easy to access away from home. Can’t exactly lug along a desktop computer or playstation console. But they have to be of quality without the need for internet connection.

Note: I’m predominantly a Sports gamer (99.7% of the time), and finding quality sports game is actually limited to none. Not a big soccer fan, but even Fifa and PES mobile, from major developers (EA and Konami) respectively require internet connection). RBI baseball 18 is fully offline. I bought it for $6.99. Rugby Nations and Rugby league are both playable fully offline, I bought them both for $4.99/each. Dream League soccer is fullt playable offline and free, I downloaded it.

Finding out PES, FIFA, Madden require internet access after downloading the free versions, I stopped playing after one session. I wouldeven buy the above $29.99 Civilization 6 if it meets my requirements and if it actually peaks my interest.

Once iOS games aren’t tied to the internet, aren’t constantly barraged with in-app purchases, are actually of decent quality, can be kept and transfer to future ipads, then I’d be all for it.

 

[DNichter]

Now that’s more like it. Never played the game. I just ran an iOS search and it comes up as $29.99 full game (in app purchase). That’s something I would purchase if I had any interest. But what I don’t like are the "in app purchase" tags. Are these basically the expansion packs that you’re referring to?

A. Specific to Civilization 6: Is this game also fully offline because that’s the most important part?Does someone want to give their best sakes pitch on this game?

B. General question: Are pricier iOS games fully playable without internet connection?

B. General question: Secondly and probably most important above all else ... do you have access to those games for your entire lifetime, and ipads that you’d upgrade to or purchase in the future?

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/07/app-store-apps-disappearing-purchase-history/




Right now I honestly would prefer quality games in mobile platforms. Easy to access away from home. Can’t exactly lug along a desktop computer or playstation console. But they have to be of quality without the need for internet connection.

Note: I’m predominantly as Sports gamer (99.7% of the time), and finding quality sports game is actually limited to none. Not a big soccer fan, but even Fifa and PES mobile, from major developers (EA and Konami) respectively require internet connection). RBI baseball 18 is fully offline. I bought it for $6.99. Rugby Nations and Rugby league are both playable fully offline, I bought them both for $4.99/each. Dream League soccer is fullt playable offline and free, I downloaded it.

Finding out PES, FIFA, Madden require internet access after downloading the free versions, I stopped playing after one session. I wouldeven buy the above $29.99 Civilization 6 if it meets my requirements and if it actually peaks my interest.

Once iOS games aren’t tied to the internet, aren’t constantly barraged with in-app purchases, are actually of decent quality, can be kept and transfer to future ipads, then I’d be all for it.

Yea I am totally with you there. I have a good controller that I will use sometimes with either my iPad or Apple TV. Works well, some games are solid, but there aren't many. I'd love this to be a focus area for Apple moving forward.

 

[DoubleFlyaway]

Now that’s more like it. Never played the game. I just ran an iOS search and it comes up as $29.99 full game (in app purchase). That’s something I would purchase if I had any interest. But what I don’t like are the "in app purchase" tags. Are these basically the expansion packs that you’re referring to?

A. Specific to Civilization 6: Is this game also fully offline because that’s the most important part?Does someone want to give their best sales pitch on this game?

B. General question: Are pricier iOS games fully playable without internet connection?

B. General question: Secondly and probably most important above all else ... do you have access to those games for your entire lifetime, and ipads that you’d upgrade to or purchase in the future?

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/07/app-store-apps-disappearing-purchase-history/




Right now I honestly would prefer quality games in mobile platforms. Easy to access away from home. Can’t exactly lug along a desktop computer or playstation console. But they have to be of quality without the need for internet connection.

Note: I’m predominantly as Sports gamer (99.7% of the time), and finding quality sports game is actually limited to none. Not a big soccer fan, but even Fifa and PES mobile, from major developers (EA and Konami) respectively require internet connection). RBI baseball 18 is fully offline. I bought it for $6.99. Rugby Nations and Rugby league are both playable fully offline, I bought them both for $4.99/each. Dream League soccer is fullt playable offline and free, I downloaded it.

Finding out PES, FIFA, Madden require internet access after downloading the free versions, I stopped playing after one session. I wouldeven buy the above $29.99 Civilization 6 if it meets my requirements and if it actually peaks my interest.

Once iOS games aren’t tied to the internet, aren’t constantly barraged with in-app purchases, are actually of decent quality, can be kept and transfer to future ipads, then I’d be all for it.

Civ 6 just came out at the end of the year, and it is $60 full price, but it was $30 for the intro period, and I don’t know if right now it’s on sale again or if they just decided it isn’t going to sell at $60.

The only in app purchases are expansion packs, and I believe those things are expansion packs for the PC/Mac as well. Yes, playable offline (I’ve spent like 10 straight hours playing on a flight before). I actually just got the expansion packs this week, and I’ve been playing since late December—definitely plenty of content without them.

But you’re definitely right that something like this is rare. when it came out, people on here were basically saying it was an experiment for the developers to see if they can make money this way. I hope it has been successful for them, because it’s great.
[doublepost=1524864611][/doublepost]And yes, any games you purchase are tied to your account. I have Civ 6 on my 12.9 iPad and on my Air 2.

 

[AttilaTheHun]

I use my MBP as a computer and my iPad pro with pencil as a tablet and I am happy I don't need my tablet to be a computer and as a coffee machine

 

[ericwn]

I use my MBP as a computer and my iPad pro with pencil as a tablet and I am happy I don't need my tablet to be a computer and as a coffee machine

IPads and iPhones are computers too, just different platforms. Still, they do lots of computing.

 

[strawberryshortcake]

Yea I am totally with you there. I have a good controller that I will use sometimes with either my iPad or Apple TV. Works well, some games are solid, but there aren't many. I'd love this to be a focus area for Apple moving forward.

Which controller, (bluetooth or other means?) and battery life, charge method or rechargeable battery replacement?

Civ 6 just came out at the end of the year, and it is $60 full price, but it was $30 for the intro period, and I don’t know if right now it’s on sale again or if they just decided it isn’t going to sell at $60.

The only in app purchases are expansion packs, and I believe those things are expansion packs for the PC/Mac as well. Yes, playable offline (I’ve spent like 10 straight hours playing on a flight before). I actually just got the expansion packs this week, and I’ve been playing since late December—definitely plenty of content without them.

But you’re definitely right that something like this is rare. when it came out, people on here were basically saying it was an experiment for the developers to see if they can make money this way. I hope it has been successful for them, because it’s great.
[doublepost=1524864611][/doublepost]And yes, any games you purchase are tied to your account. I have Civ 6 on my 12.9 iPad and on my Air 2.

Did you see theinformation in this link?
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/07/app-store-apps-disappearing-purchase-history/

 

[PhoneMe1]

My iPad Pro 12.9 is just a big screen iPhone to me, could never replace my 27" 5K iMac or a MacBook pro.
Don't use pencil or keyboard.

 

[Altis]

IPads and iPhones are computers too, just different platforms. Still, they do lots of computing.

My Casio FX991MS Plus is a computer as well.

Of course, it's really only well suited at actually calculating things. Nothing can replace it.

 

[Fthree]

Civ 6 just came out at the end of the year, and it is $60 full price, but it was $30 for the intro period, and I don’t know if right now it’s on sale again or if they just decided it isn’t going to sell at $60.

The only in app purchases are expansion packs, and I believe those things are expansion packs for the PC/Mac as well. Yes, playable offline (I’ve spent like 10 straight hours playing on a flight before). I actually just got the expansion packs this week, and I’ve been playing since late December—definitely plenty of content without them.

But you’re definitely right that something like this is rare. when it came out, people on here were basically saying it was an experiment for the developers to see if they can make money this way. I hope it has been successful for them, because it’s great.
[doublepost=1524864611][/doublepost]And yes, any games you purchase are tied to your account. I have Civ 6 on my 12.9 iPad and on my Air 2.

Ill have to look into this as ive contemplated purchasing. Thanks!

 

[ericwn]

Which controller, (bluetooth or other means?) and battery life, charge method or rechargeable battery replacement?



Did you see theinformation in this link?
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/07/app-store-apps-disappearing-purchase-history/

For controllers, have a look at the Steel Series Nimbus - https://steelseries.com/gaming-controllers/nimbus

It even charges via Lightning cable. I mainly play GRID with it (which is pretty awesome on iPad).

 

[AttilaTheHun]

IPads and iPhones are computers too, just different platforms. Still, they do lots of computing.

My understanding of computer look deferent then your iPhone is just a smart phone with limited computing iPad is just a big iPhone

 

[praterkeith]

iOS works great for me, and I primarily use an iPad as my main device, but there’s two things that keep me from going with the iPad 100%... flash support and the option to use a mouse. I wouldn’t use a mouse for everything, but there’s sometimes it’s more convenient.

 

[Abazigal]

iOS works great for me, and I primarily use an iPad as my main device, but there’s two things that keep me from going with the iPad 100%... flash support and the option to use a mouse. I wouldn’t use a mouse for everything, but there’s sometimes it’s more convenient.

There are browsers that run flash. Puffin is one.

 

[ChrisChaval]

I am sorry to add yet other thread about iPad vs PC. This has been debated several times, but i still don’t get why. All these debate started with Apple’s famous statement that iPad can be PC replacement. But I think this is just flat out none sense.

I mean iPad is iPad, it is not designed to be PC replacement. In functionality wise, there are overlaps. There are things that both can be done. But there are also things PC can do things better and more efficient and there are other things iPad can do things better and more efficient.

iPad was never designed to be PC replacement. Steven pushed iPad out as middle ground of smartphone and PC. It never designed to replace PC, so why there is such debat that iPad can be full PC replacement?

Most of us who was born before 90s, were grew up with Windows 3.1, Windows 95 and so on. Some people were grew up with Mac. I still remember i was running DOS commends and loading Windows 95 from DOS. We grew up with PC interface, mouse and keyboard operations, transfers files back and forth, navigating files from different folders, downloading files to one location and open files from there, we are familiar with grab a USB drive and transfer files that way. PC until this day were still base on these operation and negviation logics.

iPad on other hand is totally different. It has different way to negaivate system UI, it has different way to store files, it has different way to get files transferred, it has different way to install software, it has different way to do almost everything. It is designed completely different way with PC. For lots of us, iPad requires lots of relearning and purchasing whole new set of accessories. And most of us unwilling to do that.

So what am I saying. iPad is different, it is not designed to be full PC replacement nor it serves purpose as full PC replacment. If one try to focus PC mentality to iPad, it will hit the wall hard. We should really draw a line between iPad and PC. Both have its reason to exist and both serves different purpose.

If someone foud that they can do everything on iPad, then good for him/her. But iPad will not be PC replacement nor it should be. Why can’t we just use iPad as iPad and use PC as PC. Why should we have to choose between one but not use both?

I am not trying to use an iPad as a Computer

Mr. Schiller put that into our heads

 

[tarsins]

27" iMac for serious programming, 15" MacBook Pro for casual and on-the-go programming and "intense" browsing, 10.5" iPad Pro for note taking and casual browsing and easy pick-up and do stuff. Email/iMessage/Whatsapp on whichever one I'm using at the time. They all have their use and I wouldn't want to lose any of them.

 

[LovingTeddy]

I am not trying to use an iPad as a Computer

Mr. Schiller put that into our heads

Like how he think PC users are sad?

 

[ericwn]

My understanding of computer look deferent then your iPhone is just a smart phone with limited computing iPad is just a big iPhone

In that case i suggest you look up some definitions for computers rather than creating your own and pretend it can be applied to the world.

Common definition in Wikipedia:
A computer is a device that can be instructed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations automatically. Modern computers have the ability to follow generalized sets of operations, called programs.

 

[Abazigal]

My understanding of computer look deferent then your iPhone is just a smart phone with limited computing iPad is just a big iPhone

Whatever gets the job done.

Your refusal to acknowledge either device as a legitimate computing device doesn't change the fact that many people are getting meaningful work done on them.

 

[AttilaTheHun]

Whatever gets the job done.

Your refusal to acknowledge either device as a legitimate computing device doesn't change the fact that many people are getting meaningful work done on them.

I really don't care how we call a device or a box ,ok! so you or any one else can call it computer, but bottom line I cannot do all I want in my tablet what i can in my MBP and versa.

 

[Abazigal]

I really don't care how we call a device or a box ,ok! so you or any one else can call it computer, but bottom line I cannot do all I want in my tablet what i can in my MBP and versa.

My point exactly. There too are things I can do on my iPad that I can't get done on my Mac. So which is the computer now?

 

[ericwn]

I really don't care how we call a device or a box ,ok! so you or any one else can call it computer, but bottom line I cannot do all I want in my tablet what i can in my MBP and versa.

Well when communicating in a forum language and correct terms are essential for the communication to work.

If you don’t agree with the general common sense definition of what a computer is, then maybe don’t mix with people who do.

Computer is a generic broad term like vehicle. It describes a vast number of products. Cars and trucks are both vehicles but with your approach of looking at it cars wouldn’t belong to the vehicle group.

If you refer to personal computers, workstations, notebooks, laptops, hybrids- then say so.

 

[burgman]

Wow thread has degraded to telling others how to use language and my definition is more truthful than yours. Well done...

 

[ecschwarz]

Like how he think PC users are sad?

So, to try to get this thread back to the original topic, I'm just curious how you're using the iPads that you mentioned along with your collection of other devices (from your signature)? I'm in the use-what-you-want-that-works-best-for-you camp, and always find it fascinating how people use different devices in different scenarios, but since you started the thread, maybe some of your own experiences might help get the thread on track?

 

[LovingTeddy]

So, to try to get this thread back to the original topic, I'm just curious how you're using the iPads that you mentioned along with your collection of other devices (from your signature)? I'm in the use-what-you-want-that-works-best-for-you camp, and always find it fascinating how people use different devices in different scenarios, but since you started the thread, maybe some of your own experiences might help get the thread on track?

I have a MacBook and ThinkPad. I use my Windows PC for any programs that only runs Windows, write some codes, sometimes using it as torrenting machines. I also use it for complex word, excel documents, like files with lots of Macros.

I use my Android phone and iPhone interchangeably. Android still my main devices, but i occasionally use iPhone just for fun. I use iPad for web browsing, read Kindle books etc.

I never have expectations where iPad will do everything and I understand there is clear difference between iPad and PCs.