Why can't you let go of Android and move to iPhone.

[timeconsumer]

Phone number changed since I set this up years ago and email was not a option. A few security questions would of did the trick but Apple has to be different. 10 business days is ludacris and among other things Im done with Apple, their to controlling for me.

Actually this scenario happened to me with one of my old Google accounts. My phone number changed and I can't get into it. I have the back up codes but there's no option for me to use the back up codes. I contacted Google once but the link they sent out to me expired and I wasn't able to reset it fast enough, so I need to contact them again. While two-factor authentication is nice, it's still up to the user to keep the phone number up to date. That said, it is tough to remember which accounts I have setup with two factor authentication and which I do not.

 

[Radon87000]

No they just left huge security holes unpatched, which is why facetime doesn't work on IOS 6.

What does facetime have to do with security holes?And who told you massive security holes were left unpatched?Any proof?

The software the Timmy produces is far and away more complex than what Stevie and Forstall produced. I actually haven't read about any devices getting bricked in any great number. Certainly not more than android or Microsoft, and way less, imo.

You are talking about the guy who was responsible for the creation of iOS.And in the 5 years of being at the helm,things werent getting bricked 3 times a year.Thats not complexity.Its poor QA period.Android does it too but heck this is Apple we are talking about here.The company which according to AT,came out with the fastest OS on the planet i.e. iOS 6

Yes it happens, even Microsoft and google who have been in the business a long time has bricked and or rendered devices not usable.

People who went Apple went for precisely this reason.If Apple continues to imitate MS and Google in this regard,they wil start to see mass exodus to Android.And its very much possible.Look at BB and Nokia.Titans in their time.Now nothing

Pics or it didn't happen.

Much better.Heres the video

On a sidenote just check how responsive the tablet is even on the latest version?Now look at the iPad Mini which takes 3 seconds to open settings

Why would I want to do that? If I type an SMS on windows, send it from windows. But if I type an imessage on my ipad, I can finish it on my iphone.

Because I cant remember the amount of times I have used iMessage on Mac to send messages.Windows does not have iMessage but at least enable SMS support so I dont have to reach for my phone every time a message comes in.Heck at least give me a Notification centre on Windows like Android?

Okay, the point is in all of that, you violated a license agreement. Microsoft doesn't make things complicated, unless you figure out a way to do an end-run around their security features.

So major websites are education people publically on how to violate license agreements and MS isnt doing a thing about it?
http://www.howtogeek.com/187525/how-to-perform-a-clean-install-of-windows-8.1-with-a-windows-8-key/

Sure last physically as long, but just stop getting updates.

*Except Nexus/Pixel

 

[I7guy]

What does facetime have to do with security holes?And who told you massive security holes were left unpatched?Any proof?

It's widely well known. If I say the world is round, I shouldn't have to post a link to prove it.

You are talking about the guy who was responsible for the creation of iOS.And in the 5 years of being at the helm,things werent getting bricked 3 times a year.Thats not complexity.Its poor QA period.Android does it too but heck this is Apple we are talking about here.The company which according to AT,came out with the fastest OS on the planet i.e. iOS 6

Okay and wasn't much new in IOS 6 from IOS 5. Timmy and Co. managed to cram thousands of new features into IOS since them.

People who went Apple went for precisely this reason.If Apple continues to imitate MS and Google in this regard,they wil start to see mass exodus to Android.And its very much possible.Look at BB and Nokia.Titans in their time.Now nothing

Ah, the old BB and Nokia card. Or on the other hand, Apple could grow to twice the size. If we are just hypothecating anything can happen....

Much better.Heres the video

On a sidenote just check how responsive the tablet is even on the latest version?Now look at the iPad Mini which takes 3 seconds to open settings

You have made your feelings very well known about youtube videos.

Because I cant remember the amount of times I have used iMessage on Mac to send messages.Windows does not have iMessage but at least enable SMS support so I dont have to reach for my phone every time a message comes in.Heck at least give me a Notification centre on Windows like Android?

So your own use case. Got it.

So major websites are education people publically on how to violate license agreements and MS isnt doing a thing about it?
http://www.howtogeek.com/187525/how-to-perform-a-clean-install-of-windows-8.1-with-a-windows-8-key/

Basically, yes. I'm sure Microsoft will close that loophole. And there seems to be some fine print regarding the usage of those keys. Nobody is stopping you from speeding, but if you get caught. In the same way, Microsoft is providing those keys for a specific purpose.

 

[vikingjunior]

It sounds like user error to me. You can keep your Apple ID up to date, something you didn't do. Dont mean to rub salt into the wound, but all of this could have been avoided.

Yes I didn't update phone number bad on me but honestly It's the 10 business days that's the kicker.

It sounds like user error to me. You can keep your Apple ID up to date, something you didn't do. Dont mean to rub salt into the wound, but all of this could have been avoided.

Yes it could of been avoided I'm not disputing that we all make mistakes but 10 business days is a harsh punishment.

 

[I7guy]

Yes I didn't update phone number bad on me but honestly It's the 10 business days that's the kicker.

Yes it could of been avoided I'm not disputing that we all make mistakes but 10 business days is a harsh punishment.

10 business days may not be a "punishment". It may be the length of time it takes a human to resolve this issue.

 

[curtvaughan]

Then there's also the important factor of pleasurable design. This is the biggest difference between Apple and Android users sometimes that gets overlooked. It's best described by someone who enjoys driving a Mercedes as opposed to driving a Ford. Not because of the feature set but because it's a more pleasurable experience; the sum of all the design details.

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Eg the android screen below is probably super functional but it's not a pleasure to use compared to the simplified cleaner yet still relatively functional iOS counterpart. Yes, Android gives you the choice to tailor this design to something cleaner, but refer the above web designer analogy above, some would pay *not* to work hard at cleaning up their phone designs and instead delegate it to the man they paid.

So two ways of thinking. Neither are wrong. Depends on which you prefer.

To adopt your analogy paradigm, I'd say - for high end phones - if Apple is the Mercedes sedan, Android is a bit more like a Formula 1 race car: they are both means to different ends. I will note that occasionally Mercedes will venture on the wild side, but that is rare (as per below). The race car definitely needs more tinkering to get all of the disparate features to work in ensemble.


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That don't have the useful lifespan. iPad 2; 2011 through 2016. iPhone 4s; 2011 through 2016.

That is becoming less true these days. Apple has good resale due to its reputation, built over decades, of high performance and product reliability. The last few years are beginning to erode that stellar reputation.

 

[I7guy]

To adopt your analogy paradigm, I'd say - for high end phones - if Apple is the Mercedes sedan, Android is a bit more like a Formula 1 race car: they are both means to different ends. I will note that occasionally Mercedes will venture on the wild side, but that is rare (as per below). The race car definitely needs more tinkering to get all of the disparate features to work in ensemble.

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That is becoming less true these days. Apple has good resale due to its reputation, built over decades, of high performance and product reliability. The last few years are beginning to erode that stellar reputation.

It's not less true about the lifespan, it's a fact.

As far as reputation, at least to me, their reputation isn't eroded. I can't speak for the tens of millions of other customers, who may not be posting here on MR.

 

[curtvaughan]

I know I'm not using Android, using Windows 10 mobile, but I figured I'd throw my two cents in anyway.

It isn't a specific app that pushed me away. It wasn't a specific ability of my device, though continuum is awesome. The thing that is stopping me from going back to an iPhone/iPad combo is that I no longer have food faith when it comes to Apple and software.

Will the next update wreck my device due to a server authentication issue? Will it make my device work worse? Will the iPad continue to have little more than the iPhone? I don't think any of this is out of malice, for the record. I doubt they'd keep screwing things up on purpose.

But I always tell the people around me that if they don't think a company has their back to not give them money. I'm living by that.

You might want to be careful with that Windows mobile OS. I finally gave up on my Windows phone (Samsung Ativ s Neo) due to lack of system updates and available applications. MS is doing nice things with the Surface line but has been consistently behind in Windows phone support. This is particularly true with updates coming down from service providers (in my case, Sprint).

 

[Michael Goff]

You might want to be careful with that Windows mobile OS. I finally gave up on my Windows phone (Samsung Ativ s Neo) due to lack of system updates and available applications. MS is doing nice things with the Surface line but has been consistently behind in Windows phone support. This is particularly true with updates coming down from service providers (in my case, Sprint).

I don't think that's an issue anymore with Windows 10 mobile and the insider program. The updates come every couple weeks or so usually. New build after new build, each being (usually) better than the last. My only application based issue comes in the form of Netflix not supporting continuum for whatever reason.

Microsoft seems to have fixed the update problem when it comes to system updates.

 

[Radon87000]

It's widely well known. If I say the world is round, I shouldn't have to post a link to prove it.

Funny but I dont seem to see any news articles stating iOS 6 had unpatched securty holes for large emounts of time.In addition,you do know these quick hotfixes which Timmy rolls out every now and then dont just contain security fixes right?

Okay and wasn't much new in IOS 6 from IOS 5. Timmy and Co. managed to cram thousands of new features into IOS since them.

And Steve Jobs crammed just as many features when we compare iOS 1 to iOS 6 but you wanna know something interesting?The speed of the OS actually increased unlike Timmy's current updates model which slows down devices

Ah, the old BB and Nokia card. Or on the other hand, Apple could grow to twice the size. If we are just hypothecating anything can happen....

Except sales of iPhone are declining.iPad sales are cratering

You have made your feelings very well known about youtube videos.

Then here is the screenshot

And the process
https://www.xda-developers.com/get-android-nougat-on-the-nexus-7/

So your own use case. Got it.

Actually its a very popular use case.What I just said is call continuity on iOS which only works with macs unlike on Android where the same feature works with Windows.Can you browse on Safari and resume browsing the same site on Windows?Can you see your phone notifications on Windows?I can with Android

Basically, yes. I'm sure Microsoft will close that loophole. And there seems to be some fine print regarding the usage of those keys. Nobody is stopping you from speeding, but if you get caught. In the same way, Microsoft is providing those keys for a specific purpose.

FYI this "loophole" has existed for more than 3 years and MS actually agreed with us "violators" as they later enabled upgrading to Windows 10 with a WIndows 8 key without using KMS key as a medium.If it werent for this workaround,MS wouldnt have realised the problems people were having clean installing the latest OS and it forced them to listen to their customers

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/wi...se-windows-7-8-or-8-1-product-key-to-activate[/QUOTE]

 

[medavidcook]

I was on iPhone and recently switched to the Galaxy S7 and tbh i am loving it and don't see myself going back anytime soon.

 

[I7guy]

Funny but I dont seem to see any news articles stating iOS 6 had unpatched securty holes for large emounts of time.In addition,you do know these quick hotfixes which Timmy rolls out every now and then dont just contain security fixes right?

Websearch "ios 6 facetime not working"

And Steve Jobs crammed just as many features when we compare iOS 1 to iOS 6 but you wanna know something interesting?The speed of the OS actually increased unlike Timmy's current updates model which slows down devices

IMO, he didn't, unless you're talking about maps, which was considered at the time to be a flop.

Except sales of iPhone are declining.iPad sales are cratering

Except that appls guidance for this quarter is $75B and apple is still selling far and away more tablets than anyone else. That ipad sales are "cratering" is due to Stevie not doing his homework.

http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/10/apple-reports-fourth-quarter-results.html

Then here is the screenshot

Wasn't it you that said, all of this can be manipulated?

Actually its a very popular use case.What I just said is call continuity on iOS which only works with macs unlike on Android where the same feature works with Windows.Can you browse on Safari and resume browsing the same site on Windows?Can you see your phone notifications on Windows?I can with Android

Without a google voice number, can you receive a phone number on any IOS device attached to your account? You can with IOS, can't with Android. See how this works?

FYI this "loophole" has existed for more than 3 years and MS actually agreed with us "violators" as they later enabled upgrading to Windows 10 with a WIndows 8 key without using KMS key as a medium.If it werent for this workaround,MS wouldnt have realised the problems people were having clean installing the latest OS and it forced them to listen to their customers

This "loophole" is for VLC customers according to Microsoft, are you a VLC customer?

 

[Lloydbm41]

I don't think that's an issue anymore with Windows 10 mobile and the insider program. The updates come every couple weeks or so usually. New build after new build, each being (usually) better than the last. My only application based issue comes in the form of Netflix not supporting continuum for whatever reason.

Microsoft seems to have fixed the update problem when it comes to system updates.

Sorry, but Microsoft screwed over its users when they went from 7.5 to 8. Then they swore up and down that nearly every Windows Mobile 8 phone with at least 1gb of RAM would get 10. Guess what. They screwed us over again! And having messed with a Windows 10 phone, there is absolutely zero reason why phones like the Lumia 925, 1020, 928, etc, couldn't be on 10. Sure maybe Continuum wouldn't be functional, but everything else would.

Anyway, Microsoft has lost my business for good. They tend to abandon all their users every 3 years. And app selection still sucks. Hell, you still can't even get a good browser from Microsoft on their own phone!

 

[Michael Goff]

Sorry, but Microsoft screwed over its users when they went from 7.5 to 8. Then they swore up and down that nearly every Windows Mobile 8 phone with at least 1gb of RAM would get 10. Guess what. They screwed us over again! And having messed with a Windows 10 phone, there is absolutely zero reason why phones like the Lumia 925, 1020, 928, etc, couldn't be on 10. Sure maybe Continuum wouldn't be functional, but everything else would.

Anyway, Microsoft has lost my business for good. They tend to abandon all their users every 3 years. And app selection still sucks. Hell, you still can't even get a good browser from Microsoft on their own phone!

If you get mad at only 3 years of support, you're going to be stuck to the iPhone. As for browser, Edge is a great browser.

 

[Lloydbm41]

If you get mad at only 3 years of support, you're going to be stuck to the iPhone. As for browser, Edge is a great browser.

Wrong. I can continue to update thanks to the open source of Android. Hell, I can put Nougat on my Nexus 4 if I want.

Microsoft literally said a big Fu#$ You to all of its mobile users, not once, but twice in a matter of 3 years.

That said, I'm sticking with iPhones for the foreseeable future. I'll keep Android (soon Andromeda) for my tablet/hybrid needs.

 

[Michael Goff]

Wrong. I can continue to update thanks to the open source of Android. Hell, I can put Nougat on my Nexus 4 if I want.

Microsoft literally said a big Fu#$ You to all of its mobile users, not once, but twice in a matter of 3 years.

That said, I'm sticking with iPhones for the foreseeable future. I'll keep Android (soon Andromeda) for my tablet/hybrid needs.

Windows 10 mobile runs like crap on even the devices that got it from 8 and 7 had an entirely different kernel. But you seem to be personally offended, so I doubt facts are going to change anything.

 

[Lloydbm41]

Windows 10 mobile runs like crap on even the devices that got it from 8 and 7 had an entirely different kernel. But you seem to be personally offended, so I doubt facts are going to change anything.

I know why Microsoft abandoned everyone on 7.5 when they went to 8. It was a tough call, but had to be done. It sucked but most accepted it and realized the benefits. Win 10 on the other hand is a different story. Most Win 8 phones meet the min requirements, as seen published from MS back in May (see below). Am I upset that I got shafted for no apparent reason by MS? Wouldn't you be?

 

[Michael Goff]

I know why Microsoft abandoned everyone on 7.5 when they went to 8. It was a tough call, but had to be done. It sucked but most accepted it and realized the benefits. Win 10 on the other hand is a different story. Most Win 8 phones meet the min requirements, as seen published from MS back in May (see below). Am I upset that I got shafted for no apparent reason by MS? Wouldn't you be?

Since I value the experience? No. I'm telling you that even the WP 8.1 phones that got the update tend to have performance issues of varying types. I would rather they pull back after realizing it was going to just plain suck on older hardware than push it out and give people a device that doesn't work well.

 

[Radon87000]

I know why Microsoft abandoned everyone on 7.5 when they went to 8. It was a tough call, but had to be done. It sucked but most accepted it and realized the benefits. Win 10 on the other hand is a different story. Most Win 8 phones meet the min requirements, as seen published from MS back in May (see below). Am I upset that I got shafted for no apparent reason by MS? Wouldn't you be?

No they made the right choice.I have installed Windows 10 Mobile on a Lumia 820 and a Lumia 735 and it was a horrible experience.Did you want Microsoft to turn their Windows 8 lumias into an iPhone 4s?..4 seconds on loading the settings screen.Constant web browser reloads.Keyboard input lag.Yeah sounds like my old Apple devices.I commend Microsoft for not pulling an Apple and cutting the support when the devices couldnt handle the update.Besides you CAN still install it if you want but it isnt optimal nor recommended

 

[I7guy]

No they made the right choice.I have installed Windows 10 Mobile on a Lumia 820 and a Lumia 735 and it was a horrible experience.Did you want Microsoft to turn their Windows 8 lumias into an iPhone 4s?..4 seconds on loading the settings screen.Constant web browser reloads.Keyboard input lag.Yeah sounds like my old Apple devices.I commend Microsoft for not pulling an Apple and cutting the support when the devices couldnt handle the update.Besides you CAN still install it if you want but it isnt optimal nor recommended

My friend, you have a broken 4s then. My iPad 2 while not as fast as my 6s does a commendable job for its 5+ age.

Is Windows 10 mobile comparable to Windows 10. Windows 10 upgrade slowed down a laptop bought a year ago and I regret that upgrade.

 

[Michael Goff]

My friend, you have a broken 4s then. My iPad 2 while not as fast as my 6s does a commendable job for its 5+ age.

Is Windows 10 mobile comparable to Windows 10. Windows 10 upgrade slowed down a laptop bought a year ago and I regret that upgrade.

If Windows 10 slowed down a year old laptop, you probably have a messed up laptop.

 

[I7guy]

If Windows 10 slowed down a year old laptop, you probably have a messed up laptop.

Nope, I "regretted" the update after the first reboot but decided not to roll back. Battery life took a hit and disk i/o inexplicably went up. At any rate I'm stuck with it. Otoh our sp4 runs like a champ. Can't figure it out.

 

[Radon87000]

My friend, you have a broken 4s then. My iPad 2 while not as fast as my 6s does a commendable job for its 5+ age.

I have used both and what I described on Windows 10 mobile happened on both.And my user experience has been replicated by many users on the internet that these devices are not by any definition usable.Microsoft recognized this SAME PROBLEM with their own products and hence cutoff support for the old devices but the best part of their strategy is that for those who still want the latest they gave em an option to upgrade and keep recieveing the latest updates and I can also downgrade to Windows 8 anytime I want.My 735 is on Windows 10 despite not recieving the official Windows 10 update and I recognize its definitely much slower than what it was on Windows 8 and not officially updating it just for the sake of a marketing chart and spec sheet was a wise decision

Is Windows 10 mobile comparable to Windows 10. Windows 10 upgrade slowed down a laptop bought a year ago and I regret that upgrade.

Something is definitely wrong with your laptop.Windows 10 Mobile slowed down my old lumias but didnt do anything to affect performance on my XPS 13 and custombuilt gaming rig.Granted the latter obviously wont be affected but I didnt notice any difference on my Dell either except slightly reduced battery life but thats to be expected considering how Cortana may cause a battery drain

My experience with all 3 mobile OS has resulted in the conclusion that Android is the best OS when it comes to maintaining the device performance in upgrades.My 4 year old Nexus was slower but unlike iOS it was definitely usable.Kept all tabs in memory and was pretty much instant.Its amazing how performance didnt degarde that much considering it launched on Android 4.2 which did not have native TRIM support so the flash memory performance must have taken a huge hit over that year.Yet iOS does much worse than both OS at maintaining performance despite Apple having the advantage of having a lesser number of devices to optimise for.My opinion is that since Android is optimised from the POV of all devices it fares much better than iOS as Apple only optimises for the latest iPhone and simply backports the same build to older iPhones

 

[I7guy]

I have used both and what I described on Windows 10 mobile happened on both.And my user experience has been replicated by many users on the internet that these devices are not by any definition usable.Microsoft recognized this SAME PROBLEM with their own products and hence cutoff support for the old devices but the best part of their strategy is that for those who still want the latest they gave em an option to upgrade and keep recieveing the latest updates and I can also downgrade to Windows 8 anytime I want.My 735 is on Windows 10 despite not recieving the official Windows 10 update and I recognize its definitely much slower than what it was on Windows 8 and not officially updating it just for the sake of a marketing chart and spec sheet was a wise decision


Something is definitely wrong with your laptop.Windows 10 Mobile slowed down my old lumias but didnt do anything to affect performance on my XPS 13 and custombuilt gaming rig.Granted the latter obviously wont be affected but I didnt notice any difference on my Dell either except slightly reduced battery life but thats to be expected considering how Cortana may cause a battery drain

My experience with all 3 mobile OS has resulted in the conclusion that Android is the best OS when it comes to maintaining the device performance in upgrades.My 4 year old Nexus was slower but unlike iOS it was definitely usable.Kept all tabs in memory and was pretty much instant.Its amazing how performance didnt degarde that much considering it launched on Android 4.2 which did not have native TRIM support so the flash memory performance must have taken a huge hit over that year.Yet iOS does much worse than both OS at maintaining performance despite Apple having the advantage of having a lesser number of devices to optimise for.My opinion is that since Android is optimised from the POV of all devices it fares much better than iOS as Apple only optimises for the latest iPhone and simply backports the same build to older iPhones

I was a fairly high-end laptop from Asus bought new in Sep 15, release just before that. But it runs fine as Windows has been running for me since Windows 7, just compared to 8.1, which I used I got the invite to update to Windows 10. All Intel hardware no reason the performance shouldn't have been better. But for now, it is what it is. Cortana is off btw.

The ipad 2 is far from unusable for a 5+ year old device, I wouldn't play a modern game on it, but for consumption, sharing pictures, email and browsing (although the darn 512 mb ram from 2011 is an issue) it works fine and is more than usable.

I see the 64 bit devices not being affected by IOS updates as much as 32 bit devices. My two 5s basically run the same(actually better) than what the initial release was, which was IOS 7. So does 6S. The iphone 4s and ipad 2 have reached EOL this year. iphone 5 will reach EOL next year. No IOS 11 for iphone 5. And that will leave apple to concentrate on 64 bit devices.

 

[flameproof]

Biggest anti iPhone argument: the price

Now you can argue, but Samsung S7 is similar....

True, but I wouldn't buy that either. Nowadays $300 can get you a phone with all the function you need (and that's usually more than iPhones, as they usually lack 2 years behind current trends)