Why can't you let go of Android and move to iPhone.

[Tsepz]

I just find iOS overwhelmingly basic.

This explains straight up, very nicely put.

It is far too basic, especially for getting work done.

 

[C DM]

This explains straight up, very nicely put.

It is far too basic, especially for getting work done.

And at the same time, plenty of people do.

 

[macfacts]

And at the same time, plenty of people do.

Saying iOS/iPhone is basic doesn't mean it isn't usable by many people. Not everyone needs the exclusive features that android devices provide.

 

[nviz22]

Saying iOS/iPhone is basic doesn't mean it isn't usable by many people. Not everyone needs the exclusive features that android devices provide.

That doesn't change the fact that Apple product's value propositions are objectively lower than many Android flagships. Apple's margins continue to grow while the iPhone offers little to no extra value over conventional Android flagships. I am in the ecosystem with an iPad, MacBook, and iPhone. To me, that is subjectively valuable. However, my phone does less objectively speaking. To classify a headphone jack, quick charge, USB Type C/Micro USB, a file system, and QHD screen tech as "exclusive features" would be a misnomer. You may not "need those," but those options are lot more consumer friendly than a device with a maxed out FHD LCD display, Lightning port, no headphone jack, slow charging, a locked-down walled garden. People are rightfully jump off the iPhone bandwagon because its too damn pricey. I am only using a 7+ because I am on an early upgrade plan where I only pay a fraction of the sticker price.

 

[I7guy]

That doesn't change the fact that Apple product's value propositions are objectively lower than many Android flagships. Apple's margins continue to grow while the iPhone offers little to no extra value over conventional Android flagships. I am in the ecosystem with an iPad, MacBook, and iPhone. To me, that is subjectively valuable. However, my phone does less objectively speaking. To classify a headphone jack, quick charge, USB Type C/Micro USB, a file system, and QHD screen tech as "exclusive features" would be a misnomer. You may not "need those," but those options are lot more consumer friendly than a device with a maxed out FHD LCD display, Lightning port, no headphone jack, slow charging, a locked-down walled garden. People are rightfully jump off the iPhone bandwagon because its too damn pricey. I am only using a 7+ because I am on an early upgrade plan where I only pay a fraction of the sticker price.

Apples value proposition is not "objectively" lower because you don't know my values. And margins dont enter in my purchase decision.

 

[nviz22]

Apples value proposition is not "objectively" lower because you don't know my values. And margins dont enter in my purchase decision.

Yes, they're objectively lower. A Galaxy and OnePlus 3 do more, offer more, and are cheaper. Your uses are subjective. Until the iPhone can do VR, offer an accessible file system, provide 256QAM/ 4x4 MIMO radio LTE service, offer a competent AI service, create an Iris/Retina scanning security feature, utilize AMOLED tech, offer a bigger battery capacity, use a slimmer profile, and provide more multi-tasking software features at a lesser price than past iPhones, then your "iPhone" is behind and overpriced objectively speaking.

As for margins, of course not because you are an Apple enthusiast that doesn't want to leave. You don't realize that Apple's incredible margins indirectly makes it consumer-prohibitive because their products offer less for a higher sticker price. The new Touch Bar MacBook is a terrific example because it is gimmicky. You're spending a boatload when you can spend less to get a better Surfacebook.

 

[C DM]

Yes, they're objectively lower. A Galaxy and OnePlus 3 do more, offer more, and are cheaper. Your uses are subjective. Until the iPhone can do VR, offer an accessible file system, provide 256QAM/ 4x4 MIMO radio LTE service, offer a competent AI service, create an Iris/Retina scanning security feature, utilize AMOLED tech, offer a bigger battery capacity, use a slimmer profile, and provide more multi-tasking software features at a lesser price than past iPhones, then your "iPhone" is behind and overpriced objectively speaking.

As for margins, of course not because you are an Apple enthusiast that doesn't want to leave. You don't realize that Apple's incredible margins indirectly makes it consumer-prohibitive because their products offer less for a higher sticker price. The new Touch Bar MacBook is a terrific example because it is gimmicky. You're spending a boatload when you can spend less to get a better Surfacebook.

Better and gimmicky are all fairly subjective.

 

[I7guy]

Yes, they're objectively lower. A Galaxy and OnePlus 3 do more, offer more, and are cheaper. Your uses are subjective. Until the iPhone can do VR, offer an accessible file system, provide 256QAM/ 4x4 MIMO radio LTE service, offer a competent AI service, create an Iris/Retina scanning security feature, utilize AMOLED tech, offer a bigger battery capacity, use a slimmer profile, and provide more multi-tasking software features at a lesser price than past iPhones, then your "iPhone" is behind and overpriced objectively speaking.

As for margins, of course not because you are an Apple enthusiast that doesn't want to leave. You don't realize that Apple's incredible margins indirectly makes it consumer-prohibitive because their products offer less for a higher sticker price. The new Touch Bar MacBook is a terrific example because it is gimmicky. You're spending a boatload when you can spend less to get a better Surfacebook.

Well no they are not. Does the aforementioned phones integrate with my MAC and ipad? Do they last 5 years until support expires? Can they video chat with my family members without additional software installation? Or route phone calls, messages or video chats to any available device without an additional "phone" number? (or even beat an iphone in a standard benchmark)

So until a Galaxy can do the above simple things, your list does not apply to me. Now if you said "subjective" there really would be nothing to say. But you cherry a list of hardware features and I cherry picked a list of software features. Considering the galaxy can't meet my requirements without workarounds it's behind and overpriced, subjectively speaking.

I'm not sure why you are concerned about any companies margins; but it's not for me to alter what's important as far as a purchase decision. As one persons gimmicky, like iris scanner, is another persons requirements, like touch bar.

 

[Tsepz]

Better and gimmicky are all fairly subjective.

None of the features he mentioned are gimmicks though.

But I do fully understand that you have to call them that.


I must say, I've read some of the most ludicrous things in this forum, I mean calling features like Fast Charge, 4x4 MIMO radio LTE, File System Access etc... Gimmicks gas to be right up there never a dull moment when people have to defend the iPhone.

I remember when iPhone didn't have proper GPS, couldn't record video or take good pictures, the excuse was "get a digital camera and a satellite navigation system, those are all gimmicks in a phone".

Any and every feature is a gimmick until it's finally added years later in the iPhone.

 

[C DM]

None of the features he mentioned are gimmicks though.

But I do fully understand that you have to call them that.


I must say, I've read some of the most ludicrous things in this forum, I mean calling features like Fast Charge, 4x4 MIMO radio LTE, File System Access etc... Gimmicks gas to be right up there never a dull moment when people have to defend the iPhone.

I remember when iPhone didn't have proper GPS, couldn't record video or take good pictures, the excuse was "get a digital camera and a satellite navigation system, those are all gimmicks in a phone".

Any and every feature is a gimmick until it's finally added years later in the iPhone.

I haven't called anything anything.

 

[Tsepz]

I haven't called anything anything.

Like I said, I totally understand

 

[I7guy]

None of the features he mentioned are gimmicks though.

But I do fully understand that you have to call them that.


I must say, I've read some of the most ludicrous things in this forum, I mean calling features like Fast Charge, 4x4 MIMO radio LTE, File System Access etc... Gimmicks gas to be right up there never a dull moment when people have to defend the iPhone.

I remember when iPhone didn't have proper GPS, couldn't record video or take good pictures, the excuse was "get a digital camera and a satellite navigation system, those are all gimmicks in a phone".

Any and every feature is a gimmick until it's finally added years later in the iPhone.

Who's defending what?

 

[C DM]

Like I said, I totally understand

Apparently not. But I understand what you are trying to do there.

 

[Vlada011]

I can without Android, after 6 months of using iPhone I have problem to remember of Android.
Nothing connect me with them any more. iPhone have SOUL, I swear. I explained before, as someone who use PC a lot iPhone and iOS is good change and really something different.
Only negative of iPhone is because Bluetooth with PC not work but I know that and before I bought him and for me is not big problem.

 

[Tsepz]

Who's defending what?

Not defending anything, but rather making an observation as to how iPhone Fans come down to this forum and keep moving the goalposts to what will suit them.

It gets pretty interesting and quite amusing.

I can't wait to see these things being seen as necessary when the iPhone gets them in a few years
I won't hold my breath for File System Access, but everything else will be great to watch.

Then we will have some person cime in here and claim the manufacturers copied Apple before Apple had those things.

We've already seen it all happen right here in this forum.

 

[Tsepz]

Apparently not. But I understand what you are trying to do there.

If you say so bud.

 

[I7guy]

Not defending anything, but rather making an observation as to how iPhone Fans come down to this forum and keep moving the goalposts to what will suit them.

It gets pretty interesting and quite amusing.

I can't wait to see these things being seen as necessary when the iPhone gets them in a few years
I won't hold my breath for File System Access, but everything else will be great to watch.

Then we will have some person cime in here and claim the manufacturers copied Apple before Apple had those things.

We've already seen it all happen right here in this forum.

So only "android fans" should be able to discuss iphone related topics on an anonymous, public internet forum? Not sure of what you are really trying to say.

But you are right, we've seen it all.

 

[Tsepz]

So only "android fans" should be able to discuss iphone related topics on an anonymous, public internet forum? Not sure of what you are really trying to say.

But you are right, we've seen it all.

Lol, come on, you know I'm not saying that.

Like said, it's an observation of a trend that continues to happen when it comes to Android vs. iPhone and especially iPhone and Galaxy.

 

[KillaMac]

Yes, they're objectively lower. A Galaxy and OnePlus 3 do more, offer more, and are cheaper. Your uses are subjective. Until the iPhone can do VR, offer an accessible file system, provide 256QAM/ 4x4 MIMO radio LTE service, offer a competent AI service, create an Iris/Retina scanning security feature, utilize AMOLED tech, offer a bigger battery capacity, use a slimmer profile, and provide more multi-tasking software features at a lesser price than past iPhones, then your "iPhone" is behind and overpriced objectively speaking.

As for margins, of course not because you are an Apple enthusiast that doesn't want to leave. You don't realize that Apple's incredible margins indirectly makes it consumer-prohibitive because their products offer less for a higher sticker price. The new Touch Bar MacBook is a terrific example because it is gimmicky. You're spending a boatload when you can spend less to get a better Surfacebook.

Why?

1. OnePlus3 has a crappy camera.
2. VR is better on a PC than phones anyways. Have you looked at how bad the pixels are when its up to your face? My s7 edge was pathetic.
3. Iris/Retina doesn't work worth a crap through glasses.
4. AMOLED but the iPhone has the best display for color accuracy out of all phones. AMOLED is overly saturated and not accurate.
5. Why, when the battery life outlast any android phone today on the iPhones.
6. iPhone is slimmer than most phones. It does have large bezels though.
7. Overpriced? But Samsung S7 Edge, Note 7 cost more than the iPhone similar spec.

 

[nviz22]

Well no they are not. Does the aforementioned phones integrate with my MAC and ipad? Do they last 5 years until support expires? Can they video chat with my family members without additional software installation? Or route phone calls, messages or video chats to any available device without an additional "phone" number? (or even beat an iphone in a standard benchmark)

So until a Galaxy can do the above simple things, your list does not apply to me. Now if you said "subjective" there really would be nothing to say. But you cherry a list of hardware features and I cherry picked a list of software features. Considering the galaxy can't meet my requirements without workarounds it's behind and overpriced, subjectively speaking.

I'm not sure why you are concerned about any companies margins; but it's not for me to alter what's important as far as a purchase decision. As one persons gimmicky, like iris scanner, is another persons requirements, like touch bar.

Yes, they can integrate with apps. No product has a guaranteed 5 year support. Just because Apple supports an iPad 2 and iPhone 4S with updates, that doesn't mean anything because most companies shouldn't support outdated products for that long. Hangouts, What's App are two apps that work with sending messages and videochat. Hangouts is installed on many devices as a default. There isn't anything that natively does the handoffs like Mac -> iPhone or iPad ->, but that's not a high demand on Android users' lists. There are plans of going to Andromeda, which could emulate that. Ubuntu for Android was close to emulating a 3 in 1 experience. However, that stuff is considered SUBJECTIVE.

Margins are the only thing Apple focuses on. They simply don't put as much effort as they did like the Jobs' era. I didn't cherry pick a list of hardware features. Read the list again: "VR, offer an accessible file system, provide 256QAM/ 4x4 MIMO radio LTE service, offer a competent AI service, create an Iris/Retina scanning security feature, utilize AMOLED tech, offer a bigger battery capacity, use a slimmer profile, and provide more multi-tasking software features."

VR is offered through Daydream, a file system is native to Android, 256QAM/4x4 MIMO are advanced LTE hardware features, Google Assistant isn't on the Galaxy, an Iris/Retina scanner is coming to Motorola, AMOLED Tech is on many devices like the OP3/S7/Axon 7, slimmer profile means that you don't have a bulky 7+ using the same body design for the last three iPhone iterations, multi-tasking in Nougat is multi-window which is available across Nexus devices, the Pixel, etc.
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Why?

1. OnePlus3 has a crappy camera.
2. VR is better on a PC than phones anyways. Have you looked at how bad the pixels are when its up to your face? My s7 edge was pathetic.
3. Iris/Retina doesn't work worth a crap through glasses.
4. AMOLED but the iPhone has the best display for color accuracy out of all phones. AMOLED is overly saturated and not accurate.
5. Why, when the battery life outlast any android phone today on the iPhones.
6. iPhone is slimmer than most phones. It does have large bezels though.
7. Overpriced? But Samsung S7 Edge, Note 7 cost more than the iPhone similar spec.

Crappy camera? It may not be the best in the world, but a crappy camera would be blurry or couldn't auto-focus. The Honor 5X's camera is crap because it doesn't offer auto-focus. How do you know how Motorola's Iris/Retina scanning works? iPhone has the best LCD color accuracy. Color accuracy doesn't mean as much as energy efficiency or hardware features. I rather have a 2k/4k screen with HDR support and energy efficiency than something that is more accurate with colors and less energy efficient. You have to realize that iOS is much more simplistic and less resource intensive, which is why the battery life could be better. A 32gb S7E with SD slot provides more value than an iPhone 7+ with 128gb storage or 256gb storage. Right now, you can get the S7E brand new for like $500-$600. The 7+ starts at $869 at the 128gb storage range. $769 for 32gb. As for VR, not many people use PCs for VR. VR is more popular on consoles with the PS4 headset, Gear VR, etc. A 5K screen is available from LG. 8k screens exist as well. They're better to look at content, but that doesn't mean I can compare them to a phone for content consumption. Two totally different aspects.

 

[I7guy]

Yes, they can integrate with apps. No product has a guaranteed 5 year support. Just because Apple supports an iPad 2 and iPhone 4S with updates, that doesn't mean anything because most companies shouldn't support outdated products for that long. Hangouts, What's App are two apps that work with sending messages and videochat. Hangouts is installed on many devices as a default. There isn't anything that natively does the handoffs like Mac -> iPhone or iPad ->, but that's not a high demand on Android users' lists. There are plans of going to Andromeda, which could emulate that. Ubuntu for Android was close to emulating a 3 in 1 experience. However, that stuff is considered SUBJECTIVE.

Margins are the only thing Apple focuses on. They simply don't put as much effort as they did like the Jobs' era. I didn't cherry pick a list of hardware features. Read the list again: "VR, offer an accessible file system, provide 256QAM/ 4x4 MIMO radio LTE service, offer a competent AI service, create an Iris/Retina scanning security feature, utilize AMOLED tech, offer a bigger battery capacity, use a slimmer profile, and provide more multi-tasking software features."

VR is offered through Daydream, a file system is native to Android, 256QAM/4x4 MIMO are advanced LTE hardware features, Google Assistant isn't on the Galaxy, an Iris/Retina scanner is coming to Motorola, AMOLED Tech is on many devices like the OP3/S7/Axon 7, slimmer profile means that you don't have a bulky 7+ using the same body design for the last three iPhone iterations, multi-tasking in Nougat is multi-window which is available across Nexus devices, the Pixel, etc.
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Crappy camera? It may not be the best in the world, but a crappy camera would be blurry or couldn't auto-focus. The Honor 5X's camera is crap because it doesn't offer auto-focus. How do you know how Motorola's Iris/Retina scanning works? iPhone has the best LCD color accuracy. Color accuracy doesn't mean as much as energy efficiency or hardware features. I rather have a 2k/4k screen with HDR support and energy efficiency than something that is more accurate with colors and less energy efficient. You have to realize that iOS is much more simplistic and less resource intensive, which is why the battery life could be better. A 32gb S7E with SD slot provides more value than an iPhone 7+ with 128gb storage or 256gb storage. Right now, you can get the S7E brand new for like $500-$600. The 7+ starts at $869 at the 128gb storage range. $769 for 32gb. As for VR, not many people use PCs for VR. VR is more popular on consoles with the PS4 headset, Gear VR, etc. A 5K screen is available from LG. 8k screens exist as well. They're better to look at content, but that doesn't mean I can compare them to a phone for content consumption. Two totally different aspects.

So in essence the answer is no to my questions, and yes to apple does appear to support it's devices for 5 years. Iphone 5 is getting IOS 10, supported through 2017. iphone 5s probably will be supported through 2018. A device that is outdated is one getting no support. Demand on android users list does not alter my criteria any. All of this is subjective not objective. Your list is cherry-picking hardware iphone doesn't have but making the requirement of it "objective". I just did the same thing that works 100% on iphone with software and benchmarks, but not so much on android 100%.

Subjective not objective.

At any rate, we can agree to disagree to avoid the appearance of bickering.

 

[Michael Goff]

None of the features he mentioned are gimmicks though.

But I do fully understand that you have to call them that.


I must say, I've read some of the most ludicrous things in this forum, I mean calling features like Fast Charge, 4x4 MIMO radio LTE, File System Access etc... Gimmicks gas to be right up there never a dull moment when people have to defend the iPhone.

I remember when iPhone didn't have proper GPS, couldn't record video or take good pictures, the excuse was "get a digital camera and a satellite navigation system, those are all gimmicks in a phone".

Any and every feature is a gimmick until it's finally added years later in the iPhone.

On a phone, file system access is a gimmick. I said it.

 

[Tsepz]

On a phone, file system access is a gimmick. I said it.

For you.

Not for many of us, especially those of us who are not in 1st world countries where WiFi is abundant to access the Cloud efficiently and reliably throughout the day.

Many of us need our smartphone to operate damn near close to like a mini laptop. This is why things like MicroSD, File System and various LTE and Data Saving technologies are so popular with us.

My Apple iPad becomes quite clumsy when in low signal HSDPA areas, same with iPhones, it actually gets quite pathetic how iOS devices are so heavily reliant on fast data networks and the cloud. In parts of my house our Apple devices are unusable while our Samsung's manage to get calls and load emails and web pages in low signal areas, even when in EDGE. My iPad becomes pretty unusable on EDGE, timeouts all the time or simply taking far too long to load things.

 

[Radon87000]

On a phone, file system access is a gimmick. I said it.

Nope. I actually cant imagine getting any real work done without file system access

 

[macfacts]

I think it is funny some Apple fans will try to argue that iOS is better because there is an app for everything and they come out on iOS first but then claim imessage is the best because you don't have to download any apps.

I consider best to be a tool that doesn't lock me into one ecosystem. Something like WhatsApp doesn't lock me into one platform. If I want to communicate using my tablet or smartphone or desktop, I have email.