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Why can't you let go of Android and move to iPhone.

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C DM said:
iPhones don't work out of the box? Millions of people using their devices right out of the box would disagree with that.
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Remember video game consoles from the 90s? They worked out of the box. Most video games today require downloading patches on release day to fix issues. That's how I see iOS devices vs android.

Go to the iPhone section of the forums here and there are lots of threads of people with camera problems (1), Bluetooth connection or skipping issues (2) with their iPhone 7 and 7plus.

(1) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-plus-camera-issues.2022077/
(2) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/massive-bluetooth-skipping-issues.2018756/
 
C DM said:
iPhones don't work out of the box? Millions of people using their devices right out of the box would disagree with that.
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I think the poster may have been referring to Apple releasing iOS 10.0.2 shortly after the iPhone 7 release to fix some issues:

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/23/apple-releases-ios-10-0-2/

And then 10.0.3 about a month later to fix more issues:

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/17/apple-releases-ios-10-0-3-for-iphone-7/

I wasn't affected by these issues but obviously enough users were for Apple to release updates before 10.1 instead of just including them in the 10.1 release.
 
macfacts said:
Remember video game consoles from the 90s? They worked out of the box. Most video games today require downloading patches on release day to fix issues. That's how I see iOS devices vs android.

Go to the iPhone section of the forums here and there are lots of threads of people with camera problems (1), Bluetooth connection or skipping issues (2) with their iPhone 7 and 7plus.

(1) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-plus-camera-issues.2022077/
(2) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/massive-bluetooth-skipping-issues.2018756/
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And you are saying there weren't glitches with game consoles of yesteryear? Having played plenty of them I can certainly say that wasn't the case. The difference is that there really weren't updates to be pushed out to them, so people just lived with it all.
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timeconsumer said:
I think the poster may have been referring to Apple releasing iOS 10.0.2 shortly after the iPhone 7 release to fix some issues:

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/23/apple-releases-ios-10-0-2/

And then 10.0.3 about a month later to fix more issues:

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/17/apple-releases-ios-10-0-3-for-iphone-7/

I wasn't affected by these issues but obviously enough users were for Apple to release updates before 10.1 instead of just including them in the 10.1 release.
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And that kind of thing has applied to computing on pretty much any level for a long time. It doesn't set iOS apart in that aspect from Android or essentially any other system present or even past.
 
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C DM said:
And you are saying there weren't glitches with game consoles of yesteryear? Having played plenty of them I can certainly say that wasn't the case. The difference is that there really weren't updates to be pushed out to them, so people just lived with it all.
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And that kind of thing has applied to computing on pretty much any level for a long time. It doesn't set iOS apart in that aspect from Android or essentially any other system present or even past.
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What sets ios apart is the alacrity Apple has been displaying recently with security and bug fixes.
 
macfacts said:
Remember video game consoles from the 90s? They worked out of the box. Most video games today require downloading patches on release day to fix issues. That's how I see iOS devices vs android.

Go to the iPhone section of the forums here and there are lots of threads of people with camera problems (1), Bluetooth connection or skipping issues (2) with their iPhone 7 and 7plus.

(1) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-plus-camera-issues.2022077/
(2) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/massive-bluetooth-skipping-issues.2018756/
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Pushing patches and security fixes does not mean "not working out of the box". The infrastructure and technology today allows most consumer devices to be patched unlike the game consoles of yesteryear.

And citing one two or three threads as evidence with respect to the number of people who may NOT be experiencing issues, doesn't mean things aren't working out if the box.
 
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apolloa said:
And so have you, the iPhone 7 has had 3 updates now or was it four in 3 months. It had 1 one week and another the next week.

It's actually wrong to claim any iOS or Nexus or Pixel Android device does not get constant updates out the box.
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Really? Saying iphone right out of the box don't work is complete rubbish. Mine right out of the box was fine from the start. I've had no issues. Updates mean nothing saying the phone isn't good out of the box.
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macfacts said:
Remember video game consoles from the 90s? They worked out of the box. Most video games today require downloading patches on release day to fix issues. That's how I see iOS devices vs android.

Go to the iPhone section of the forums here and there are lots of threads of people with camera problems (1), Bluetooth connection or skipping issues (2) with their iPhone 7 and 7plus.

(1) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-plus-camera-issues.2022077/
(2) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/massive-bluetooth-skipping-issues.2018756/
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I've had zero problems with both my iPhone 7 plus from release day. Again, patches/bug fixes does not make a phone broke.
 
mrex said:
I dont think anyone here is defending it, just saying that it is quite pointless just to upgrade the os because you want rather than you need.
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Pointless to you, yes. See how that works?
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mrex said:
I dont need the latest android version for my old devices. Android isnt ios. Apps are updated via playstore - no need to update the whole operating system like in ios. Android already has so many functions that some of the new features - if added any - have been mainly releated to the hw that my device dont have, so the new os wouldnt do anything "new".
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That works for you. That doesn't work for other people. Just because that's not your thing and you don't deem it necessary doesn't mean that universally applies to everyone. And it very much doesn't.


Only foolishness here is continuous whining...
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Oh yeah totes. Anyone that doesn't agree with you must be a fool.
 
KillaMac said:
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I've had zero problems with both my iPhone 7 plus from release day. Again, patches/bug fixes does not make a phone broke.
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Your release day iPhone 7 plus had iOS 10.0.0 preinstalled. iOS 10.0.1 was released a few days before the iPhone 7 was for sale.

Congratulations on winning the Apple lottery and not needing to update for these listed problems ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_10

Do a ctrl+f for "fixes" to highlight all the issues. Out of the box, the iPhone 7 has iOS 10.0.0 and look at all the problems that needed fixing.

This is why updates are so important for iPhone users, they are needed to fix things.
 
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macfacts said:
Your release day iPhone 7 plus had iOS 10.0.0 preinstalled. iOS 10.0.1 was released a few days before the iPhone 7 was for sale.

Congratulations on winning the Apple lottery and not needing to update for these listed problems ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_10

Do a ctrl+f for "fixes" to highlight all the issues. Out of the box, the iPhone 7 has iOS 10.0.0 and look at all the problems that needed fixing.

This is why updates are so important for iPhone users, they are needed to fix things.
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That things need fixing doesn't mean the iPhone was "broke out of the box". Using that line of fallacious logic means any consumer electronic device that has an update must have been "broken out of the box". That includes a very wide swath of consumer electronic devices including devices running android.

Additionally some of the postings wrt Bluetooth might have Apple fixing some incompatible implementations on behalf of other vendors.
 
macfacts said:
Your release day iPhone 7 plus had iOS 10.0.0 preinstalled. iOS 10.0.1 was released a few days before the iPhone 7 was for sale.

Congratulations on winning the Apple lottery and not needing to update for these listed problems ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_10

Do a ctrl+f for "fixes" to highlight all the issues. Out of the box, the iPhone 7 has iOS 10.0.0 and look at all the problems that needed fixing.

This is why updates are so important for iPhone users, they are needed to fix things.
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Again, the FACT remains, the PHONE WAS NOT BROKEN like someone said. It still worked 100% just fine.
 
macfacts said:
Your release day iPhone 7 plus had iOS 10.0.0 preinstalled. iOS 10.0.1 was released a few days before the iPhone 7 was for sale.

Congratulations on winning the Apple lottery and not needing to update for these listed problems ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_10

Do a ctrl+f for "fixes" to highlight all the issues. Out of the box, the iPhone 7 has iOS 10.0.0 and look at all the problems that needed fixing.

This is why updates are so important for iPhone users, they are needed to fix things.
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And any of that says that the phone wasn't functional out of the box? Essentially any phone/device at any moment has some bugs somewhere, so that's pretty much neither here nor there.
 
KillaMac said:
Really? Saying iphone right out of the box don't work is complete rubbish. Mine right out of the box was fine from the start. I've had no issues. Updates mean nothing saying the phone isn't good out of the box.
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I've had zero problems with both my iPhone 7 plus from release day. Again, patches/bug fixes does not make a phone broke.
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Who said it doesn't work? It can be buggy but it still works? Stop reading into comments what isn't there. I do believe the original comment was that iPhones get updates right out of the box? And just because you've personally not had any issues does NOT mean no one else has.
 
apolloa said:
Who said it doesn't work? It can be buggy but it still works? Stop reading into comments what isn't there. I do believe the original comment was that iPhones get updates right out of the box? And just because you've personally not had any issues does NOT mean no one else has.
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Here is the one that said it.

Why can't you let go of Android and move to iPhone.

Not reading into comments, he flat out said it and several here jumped on him for it.
 
apolloa said:
Ah I see.... yeah I agree their is a difference in 'not working' and having some bugs. Well in my mind anyway.
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Definitely a difference. At this point, though, I think it all comes down to preference of OS and ecosystem. I don't think any of the Android phones or iPhones come out of the box being "broken". There's VERY little an iPhone realistically does for most people than an Android phone does. I'd assume most people tend to use their phone for calls, texts, emails, and social media. Either OS works well for everyone on those fronts.
 
Wildo6882 said:
Definitely a difference. At this point, though, I think it all comes down to preference of OS and ecosystem. I don't think any of the Android phones or iPhones come out of the box being "broken".
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Every time I did an update on either iOS or Android the phone wasn't broken before the update. In fact, in most cases I didn't really notice any difference at all.
 
macfacts said:
Your release day iPhone 7 plus had iOS 10.0.0 preinstalled. iOS 10.0.1 was released a few days before the iPhone 7 was for sale.

Congratulations on winning the Apple lottery and not needing to update for these listed problems ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_10

Do a ctrl+f for "fixes" to highlight all the issues. Out of the box, the iPhone 7 has iOS 10.0.0 and look at all the problems that needed fixing.

This is why updates are so important for iPhone users, they are needed to fix things.
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I think its often best to wait a month or two before purchasing, all apple products, if possible.

I read a post on another forum comparing my iPhone 6 deal - Sept '14 and his Nov '14 deal both with EE UK he got more data and £10 less a month.
Plus as you say software glitches should be ironed out and the quality reviews are readily available.

I'm fairly compulsive but with age I'm getting more hesitant, on apple purchases especially.
 
macfacts said:
Here is an example of "broken out of the box" ... https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/no-ringtone-sounds-with-airpods-connected.2022959/

This guy's iPhone isn't telling him he has an incoming call when using the new airpods. Lucky Apple provides updates.
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Is that a widespread inherent issue that everyone would experience, or some type of more isolated issue that someone might experience with any device pretty much at any time even before iPhones or Android phones came into existence?
 
macfacts said:
Here is an example of "broken out of the box" ... https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/no-ringtone-sounds-with-airpods-connected.2022959/

This guy's iPhone isn't telling him he has an incoming call when using the new airpods. Lucky Apple provides updates.
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That is not broken. When you have an Apple Watch, it takes over for the notifications instead of your phone. That is BY DESIGN. Good try, but you are wrong. The guy just doesn't know how his watch supposed to work.
 
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KillaMac said:
That is not broken. When you have an Apple Watch, it takes over for the notifications instead of your phone. That is BY DESIGN. Good try, but you are wrong. The guy just doesn't know how his watch supposed to work.
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You're only partially correct. Yes, notification sounds stop when the phone is not awake and Apple Watch is unlocked but not for phone calls, unless ringtone volume is turned down manually or the phone is in 'do not disturb' mode. My phone always rings, whether I'm wearing my Apple Watch or not.

And the issue being addressed in that thread is in regards to his AirPods, not the Watch. Even if the ringtone volume of his phone is turned down, he should be notified of the phone call through his AirPods. Again, I use Beats Solo3 wireless headphones daily--they have the same W1 chip and when I get a call, my phone physically rings and I hear my ringtone in my headphones.
 
tbayrgs said:
You're only partially correct. Yes, notification sounds stop when the phone is not awake and Apple Watch is unlocked but not for phone calls, unless ringtone volume is turned down manually or the phone is in 'do not disturb' mode. My phone always rings, whether I'm wearing my Apple Watch or not.

And the issue being addressed in that thread is in regards to his AirPods, not the Watch. Even if the ringtone volume of his phone is turned down, he should be notified of the phone call through his AirPods. Again, I use Beats Solo3 wireless headphones daily--they have the same W1 chip and when I get a call, my phone physically rings and I hear my ringtone in my headphones.
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Back on topic, this is the guy above that said the iphone is broken out of the box. And now he posts about airpods being broken? LOL. Like I said, nice try but again wrong and unrelated to the topic.
 
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So back on topic with something vaguely on topic?

LOL.....whatever
 
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