Why can't you let go of Android and move to iPhone.

[Radon87000]

No sir. Another uninformed poster. Suggest you look at android central. You will see a lot of posts of current flagships. Like I said I own a s7 edge. I've owned almost every Samsung phone to date. I had the note 7, note 5, note 4, note 3, s5, s4, and other android phones like HTC and LG. All had some lag.

You haven't used pure Android.All you have used are skinned Androids. All of my Nexus devices got Day 1 updates but did not show degrading lags till the end of the life which is around the 3 year mark but that''s normal for any electronic as the device is still usable. But the thing is these skins offer functionality that the vanilla Android skin doesn't But anyway the vanilla skin and iOS are comparable but the former is as smooth as the latter as all of my iOS devices also degraded in performance as time passed

But I do agree with some opinions in that in Year 1, competing iOS devices can be smoother than Androids but beyond that they are equal and in 7 years or so (if you hold onto it) the Android is smoother as the device doesn't get updates it can't handle

 

[Radon87000]

Nope functionality and performance go hand in hand.

This is the most hilarious statement I have ever heard here in a while .let me ask you this.Why does performance improve when I turn down Reduce Motion even on iOS 9?Why does enabling Bluetooth to connect to Apple Watch reduce battery life?Why does the iPhone 7 Plus have more functionality than the iPhone 6s plus?

My devices aren't crippled as I've said in past posts. My iPad 2 is quite usable with iOS 9 functionality. Not as fast as a pro given hardware circa 2011.

My iPad Mini was crippled . Ars technica agrees with me

"Other annoyances of using the iPad 2 remain. The keyboard often needs time to catch up to your input. Tab reloading in Safari is a fact of life, and the constant reloading is something you'll notice even more if you're using iOS 9's new hardware keyboard features and its alt-tab app switcher. There's often just a hint of hesitation for common tasks—pulling up the keyboard, flipping from portrait to landscape, pulling down the notification shade. Again, none of this is new to iOS 9, but iOS 9 doesn't do much to fix it either."

"
Unfortunately, if you've been sitting on the sidelines with iOS 7 this whole time hoping that iOS 9 would bring salvation, that doesn't seem to be the case."
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/0...t-worse-than-ios-8-but-missing-many-features/

The experience described above is worse than Android

 

[I7guy]

This is the most hilarious statement I have ever heard here in a while .let me ask you this.Why does performance improve when I turn down Reduce Motion even on iOS 9?Why does enabling Bluetooth to connect to Apple Watch reduce battery life?Why does the iPhone 7 Plus have more functionality than the iPhone 6s plus?


My iPad Mini was crippled . Ars technica agrees with me

"Other annoyances of using the iPad 2 remain. The keyboard often needs time to catch up to your input. Tab reloading in Safari is a fact of life, and the constant reloading is something you'll notice even more if you're using iOS 9's new hardware keyboard features and its alt-tab app switcher. There's often just a hint of hesitation for common tasks—pulling up the keyboard, flipping from portrait to landscape, pulling down the notification shade. Again, none of this is new to iOS 9, but iOS 9 doesn't do much to fix it either."

"
Unfortunately, if you've been sitting on the sidelines with iOS 7 this whole time hoping that iOS 9 would bring salvation, that doesn't seem to be the case."
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/0...t-worse-than-ios-8-but-missing-many-features/

The experience described above is worse than Android

What does anything you said about Bluetooth, reduce motion have to go with benchmarks proving iOS 9 was faster than iOS 8?

And what does tab reloading have to do with this? i think it's called moving goalposts.

Seems ironic when you find an article that suits you its trustworthy otherwise it's not.

 

[Radon87000]

What does anything you said about Bluetooth, reduce motion have to go with benchmarks proving iOS 9 was faster than iOS 8?

The point was that enabling new functionality causes performance to drop.If it didn't performance wouldn't improve after enabling reduce motion / tramsparency

And what does tab reloading have to do with this? i think it's called moving goalposts.

It reinforces my own personal findings that the iPad Mini is crippled on the latest iOS

Seems ironic when you find an article that suits you its trustworthy otherwise it's not.

Well for one arstechnica is not run by a self admitted Apple fanboy unlike a certain YouTube channel so that's a start ain't it?
Do you want me to find more? There's a **** ton of complaints all over the Internet

 

[mrex]

So what you are saying, is these devices don't get core o/s functionality updates. Got it.

.

The thing is... people use them and throw them away when there is something new. Same with ipads/iphones.. some of us keep them, some dont.

The other thing is that most of the apps are updated str8 from the playstore - with os updates as it is necessary with ios.

There is nothing wrong to use the device you bought and the older os. It is your imagination which tells you that you can use it only if it has the latest os.

My devices aren't crippled as I've said in past posts. My iPad 2 is quite usable with iOS 9 functionality. Not as fast as a pro given hardware circa 2011

My note10.1 was released 2012 with ice cream. Now it is running kitkat which actually made it much faster. I have no need for a higher android version - there is no tech inside my note that will need it either. It still the same device when i bought it and working as intended.

 

[Radon87000]

The thing is... people use them and throw them away when there is something new. Same with ipads/iphones.. some of us keep them, some dont.

The other thing is that most of the apps are updated str8 from the playstore - with os updates as it is necessary with ios.
.

Exactly.You cant compare iOS updates to Android updates.Google has bundled all core OS apps into the Play Store,what needs an OS update on iOS can be updated through the Play store on Android easily.If we actually compare iPad Mini from 2012 and any Android device,the Android tablet will have the same core apps with updated 2016 functionality .Heck even users on Android ICS were enjoying Material Design Maps,Chrome and Gmail which would most certainly have needed an iOS update for Apple.The only difference being that the Android tablet although will be slow (because flash memory has a limited life on all electronics) it will still be usable because it didnt get OS updates it couldnt handle. The iPad Mini has to deal with an OS designed with min 1GB RAM devices in mind and to get the same functionality the Android device could get,it has to bear a horrible slow down

To top it off,contrary to popular belief,security fixes are also being delivered to ALL devices through the Play Services API .Now Play services is not a replacement for the monthly security updates Google does, but the main point being these 2012 Android tablets are more updated than people think.

In addition,if you own a Nexus,Google has given complete freedom to downgrade and upgrade to your hearts content something we have been able to do on computers for more than a decade and which Apple doesnt allow

 

[lowendlinux]

I'm a Linux desktop user iPhones and the Linux desktop don't get along very well

 

[M. Gustave]

I'm a Linux desktop user iPhones and the Linux desktop don't get along very well

Good thing a desktop isn't needed to own or use an iPhone.

 

[I7guy]

The point was that enabling new functionality causes performance to drop.If it didn't performance wouldn't improve after enabling reduce motion / tramsparency

It reinforces my own personal findings that the iPad Mini is crippled on the latest iOS



Well for one arstechnica is not run by a self admitted Apple fanboy unlike a certain YouTube channel so that's a start ain't it?
Do you want me to find more? There's a **** ton of complaints all over the Internet

Okay, so st least there's some admission in personal findings.

You can do all the web searches you want doesnt "prove" anything, as long as we're playing this game of "dismiss the website results because they are all biased".
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The thing is... people use them and throw them away when there is something new. Same with ipads/iphones.. some of us keep them, some dont.

The other thing is that most of the apps are updated str8 from the playstore - with os updates as it is necessary with ios.

There is nothing wrong to use the device you bought and the older os. It is your imagination which tells you that you can use it only if it has the latest os.



My note10.1 was released 2012 with ice cream. Now it is running kitkat which actually made it much faster. I have no need for a higher android version - there is no tech inside my note that will need it either. It still the same device when i bought it and working as intended.

While my iPad 2 is hardware limited, the most used iOS 9 functionality is making and receiving calls from my cell phone. I really like I can use the iPad as a consumption and game device and leave my cell phone downstairs. App updates will be available for years although I need to find a reason to replace it, it works for what I need.
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Exactly.You cant compare iOS updates to Android updates.Google has bundled all core OS apps into the Play Store,what needs an OS update on iOS can be updated through the Play store on Android easily.If we actually compare iPad Mini from 2012 and any Android device,the Android tablet will have the same core apps with updated 2016 functionality .Heck even users on Android ICS were enjoying Material Design Maps,Chrome and Gmail which would most certainly have needed an iOS update for Apple.The only difference being that the Android tablet although will be slow (because flash memory has a limited life on all electronics) it will still be usable because it didnt get OS updates it couldnt handle. The iPad Mini has to deal with an OS designed with min 1GB RAM devices in mind and to get the same functionality the Android device could get,it has to bear a horrible slow down

To top it off,contrary to popular belief,security fixes are also being delivered to ALL devices through the Play Services API .Now Play services is not a replacement for the monthly security updates Google does, but the main point being these 2012 Android tablets are more updated than people think.

In addition,if you own a Nexus,Google has given complete freedom to downgrade and upgrade to your hearts content something we have been able to do on computers for more than a decade and which Apple doesnt allow

You actually cannot upgrade or downgrade branded versions of Windows with specific hardware unless the vendor allows you to. But Windows can only be installed once as can office, you buy a license for windows. Apps can be installed on multiple devices with a separate license for iOs and Apple controls the version. If this is important buy a nexus.

Apple delivers security fixes and core updates such as handoff and continuity, to use an iOS 9 example since I mentioned it before.

 

[Radon87000]

Okay, so st least there's some admission in personal findings.

But its universal.Enabling reduce transparency/motion does increase performance.So you are wrong.Functionality and performance are inversely proportional

You can do all the web searches you want doesnt "prove" anything, as long as we're playing this game of "dismiss the website results because they are all biased".

Actually when the entire internet is filled with such stuff you tend to believe it.99% people cant be biased can they?
[doublepost=1481539643][/doublepost]

While my iPad 2 is hardware limited, the most used iOS 9 functionality is making and receiving calls from my cell phone. I really like I can use the iPad as a consumption and game device and leave my cell phone downstairs. App updates will be available for years although I need to find a reason to replace it, it works for what I need.

You have been able to make calls on Android tablets too once you have a Google voice account.Even then its gimmicky.Unless you have headphones connected at all times the sound comes out of the speaker which I find irritating

You actually cannot upgrade or downgrade branded versions of Windows with specific hardware unless the vendor allows you to. But Windows can only be installed once as can office, you buy a license for windows. Apps can be installed on multiple devices with a separate license for iOs and Apple controls the version. If this is important buy a nexus.

Apple delivers security fixes and core updates such as handoff and continuity, to use an iOS 9 example since I mentioned it before.

You can upgrade and downgrade licensed version of Windows.Here is my upgrade path.I got a Dell Studio XPS 8000 back in 2009 which came with Windows 7.Using key extractor I got the OEM key Dell used on my PC.Then I upgraded to Windows 8 .Now as you rightly pointed out once I upgraded,MS wouldnt let me install a fresh version of Windows 8 using the Windows 8 upgrade key.So I simply used the technet key here

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj612867.aspx

And later on the Windows 8 upgrade key worked by simply using the slmgr /upk command to erase the technet key and install the Windows 8 upgrade key using slmgr /rearm.

So now I have a Windows 7 OEM key if I want to install Windows 7 on the PC.A Windows 8 key on the same PC and a Windows 10 key.Then I formatted that PC,built a new PC myself and installed Windows 10 using the KMS key and rearmed it with my official key later on

Basically you just have to use the KMS key as a medium if you want to downgrade as well


Google Play Services delivers security fixes as well.Also Google Chrome also has handoff.I visit a site on my PC.On my Android the same site is waiting for me on the recent tabs page.Google Docs and Google office apps are all updated in realtime

 

[I7guy]

But its universal.Enabling reduce transparency/motion does increase performance.So you are wrong.Functionality and performance are inversely proportional

Nope, doesn't happen on my 6s.

Actually when the entire internet is filled with such stuff you tend to believe it.99% people cant be biased can they?
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Generalizations and hyperbole in the same sentence.

You have been able to make calls on Android tablets too once you have a Google voice account.Even then its gimmicky.Unless you have headphones connected at all times the sound comes out of the speaker which I find irritating

Okay, works with some pre-requisites, unlike IOS, the only prereq is IOS 9.

You can upgrade and downgrade licensed version of Windows.Here is my upgrade path.I got a Dell Studio XPS 8000 back in 2009 which came with Windows 7.Using key extractor I got the OEM key Dell used on my PC.Then I upgraded to Windows 8 .Now as you rightly pointed out once I upgraded,MS wouldnt let me install a fresh version of Windows 8 using the Windows 8 upgrade key.So I simply used the technet key here

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj612867.aspx

And later on the Windows 8 upgrade key worked by simply using the slmgr /upk command to erase the technet key and install the Windows 8 upgrade key using slmgr /rearm.

So now I have a Windows 7 OEM key if I want to install Windows 7 on the PC.A Windows 8 key on the same PC and a Windows 10 key.Then I formatted that PC,built a new PC myself and installed Windows 10 using the KMS key and rearmed it with my official key later on

Basically you just have to use the KMS key as a medium if you want to downgrade as well

Okay, basically you are going against the license agreements.

Google Play Services delivers security fixes as well.Also Google Chrome also has handoff.I visit a site on my PC.On my Android the same site is waiting for me on the recent tabs page.Google Docs and Google office apps are all updated in realtime

IOS handoff is not limited to apps, it could be virtually anything. But okay. So you are telling me 5 year old operating systems are still getting security updates. Why don't I believe that. Even Microsoft finally sunsetted Windows XP.

https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/...der-the-bus-refuses-to-patch-os-vulnerability

Another reason, I'll stick with IOS.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/ios-9-thoroughly-reviewed/8/

The above proves IOS 9 has better performance and is faster than IOS 8. Right?

 

[Tsepz]

- Being able to plug into any PC, and use my S7 Edge as a Mass Storage device.
- Being able to use a MicroSD
- Fast Charge
- Built-in Wireless Charging
- USB OTG
- Apps having file system access
- MultiWindow Multitasking on my phone
- Proper Homescreen widgets
- Being able to Transfer Files via Bluetooth or WiFi Direct, NOT having to use 4G LTE or WiFi with a router to do a simple File Transfer
- Being able to Customise the UI, outside of JUST a damn wallpaper
- Banking via NFC, my Bank's app allows using NFC payments
- Having more control over Power Consumption
- Being able to Play almost any format Video without downloading a 3rd party app


I could go on and on and on and on, there is just so much iOS lacks, thats why my iPad sees far less usage than my Android phone.

Going to an iPhone would ultimately be like going back to a Sony Ericsson Feature Phone for me. Android has managed to go forward without letting go of some great things we had in WM and Symbian smartphones.

I love the idea of a convergence device, ever since the Nokia N95 and E90, I've liked the idea of a device that does it all and can work like a mini-PC in my pocket, iOS is far too restrictive to allow me that, while Android does it extremely well.

My S7 Edge is not just some pretty device that I web browse, chat, listen to music and post on social media with I sometimes have to have a Document and an Email open on the same screen, or a video and a notes app, in iOS I have to use my iPad for that, such a pity, while my Samsungs have been doing this since 2012.

 

[M. Gustave]

- Being able to plug into any PC, and use my S7 Edge as a Mass Storage device.
- Being able to use a MicroSD
- USB OTG

This is like 2005 stuff. Relics of the wired age.

- Apps having file system access

Apps that are updated to access iCloud Drive use that as their common "file system" in iOS. It's a developer issue, not Apple, since they're not going to get rid of sandboxing anytime soon, and I wouldn't want them to.

- MultiWindow Multitasking on my phone

I can't imagine working with two or more tiny app screens at the same time on even a 5.5" iPhone plus. How does that work, on a practical level?

- Proper Homescreen widgets

Apple introduced huge changes to widgets in iOS 10, maybe you just haven't been aware. I don't think they're less functional now than Android.

- Being able to Transfer Files via Bluetooth or WiFi Direct, NOT having to use 4G LTE or WiFi with a router to do a simple File Transfer

Not sure what you're talking about here, I have no trouble doing this with my iPhone. I transfer files direct via wifi (no router) to my wireless sd card reader, and to my Canon printer.

- Banking via NFC, my Bank's app allows using NFC payments

I do all my banking on my iPhone, including depositing physical checks via photo. I don't know what "NFC payments" are. I use my debit and credit cards in Apple Pay to pay at stores (that support it, which sadly isn't many).

- Having more control over Power Consumption

Don't need it, my 6s+ lasts 1.5 days.

- Being able to Play almost any format Video without downloading a 3rd party app

What's wrong with using 3rd party apps? You limit yourself to stock apps only? Why?

 

[Klyster]

SD card is hardly a relic.

Drop your phone and render it unusable, buy new phone, put SD card in, all your data is there, no need for any other consideration.

It's been a godsend for me a few times...

 

[lowendlinux]

SD card is hardly a relic.

Drop your phone and render it unusable, buy new phone, put SD card in, all your data is there, no need for any other consideration.

It's been a godsend for me a few times...

But you can store you data on other peoples computers.

 

[Klyster]

How do you do that when your phone is damaged and not working?


Let's say you do damage your phone and it's not working.
It may be fixable, in which case, cool. You have to get it repaired though.
With an SD card, all of my photos and videos are there by default, those are all that matter to me, emails are still on the server, contacts are on my pc and a server, music is on my pc.
All I do is swap the card and I'm golden.
No syncing, no transferring, just insert the SD card and go.
I can't see how this is a bad thing.

Unless you don't have it and treat like a negative for arguments sake, then I could see how it was bad.

 

[lowendlinux]

How do you do that when your phone is damaged and not working?


Let's say you do damage your phone and it's not working.
It may be fixable, in which case, cool. You have to get it repaired though.
With an SD card, all of my photos and videos are there by default, those are all that matter to me, emails are still on the server, contacts are on my pc and a server, music is on my pc.
All I do is swap the card and I'm golden.
No syncing, no transferring, just insert the SD card and go.
I can't see how this is a bad thing.

Unless you don't have it and treat like a negative for arguments sake, then I could see how it was bad.

He's talking about continuous syncing to the cloud, iCloud or Google both of those are other peoples computers.

 

[Radon87000]

Nope, doesn't happen on my 6s.

It happens on my 7 Plus.No lags in both modes but RT does make the phone faster

Okay, works with some pre-requisites, unlike IOS, the only prereq is IOS 9.

You need a iCloud account to even sync the iPad and iPhone .How is google voice any different?

Okay, basically you are going against the license agreements.

Which is impossible. Microsoft has setup the setup software such that all loopholes with keys are plugged . This one is usable because it's allowed. And for your information,this workaround I mentioned is published on Thurott's blog

IOS handoff is not limited to apps, it could be virtually anything.

Give me an example

But okay. So you are telling me 5 year old operating systems are still getting security updates. Why don't I believe that. Even Microsoft finally sunsetted Windows XP.

https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/...der-the-bus-refuses-to-patch-os-vulnerability

Another reason, I'll stick with IOS.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/ios-9-thoroughly-reviewed/8/

The above proves IOS 9 has better performance and is faster than IOS 8. Right?

Yes. Android Gingerbread did get security fixes till now. You should give this article a read. It's pure genius

http://www.androidcentral.com/genius-google-play-services

"The genius of Google Play Services: Tackling Android fragmentation, malware and forking in one fell swoop"

"The Google Play Services client library gives developers APIs to make apps work with Google services on devices with the Play Services app installed. This includes Cloud Messaging, Drive, Location, Play Games, Android Wear and Google Fit, to name just a few. And because the Play Services app updates automatically in the background, and works on all versions of Android back to 2.3 Gingerbread, Google can roll out changes, improvements and new features in Android's integration with these services without a firmware update."


"
Through Play Services, many things thought to be Android features — like Lollipop's Smart Lock, Google location services and Play Games — have been decoupled from the core OS. That's another reason why directly comparing iOS and Android version distribution doesn't tell the whole story. A very significant part of the Google Android experience is kept up-to-date, automatically, in the background."




And this ones for you iOS and Microsoft users


"
The main weapon in Google's arsenal is the "verify apps" feature, which is turned on by default in Android 4.2 and above. When you're installing an app from a third-party location, it's scanned by this constantly-updated feature to identify malicious tendencies. This is exactly what happened when the Android "fake ID" security scare happened last year, and thanks to Play Services the vast majority of Android devices were never exposed to this. (The Google Play Store was updated in a similar way to block apps using this particular exploit.)

You might think of this as a stopgap solution, and in a way it is. But as we pointed out at the time, it's a pretty effective one. Either way, the malware's not getting through, and users are protected — even if they're on an old version of Android. This is the point that Microsoft misses when it takes a shot at Google's record on mobile security."[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Tsepz]

This is like 2005 stuff. Relics of the wired age.



Apps that are updated to access iCloud Drive use that as their common "file system" in iOS. It's a developer issue, not Apple, since they're not going to get rid of sandboxing anytime soon, and I wouldn't want them to.



I can't imagine working with two or more tiny app screens at the same time on even a 5.5" iPhone plus. How does that work, on a practical level?



Apple introduced huge changes to widgets in iOS 10, maybe you just haven't been aware. I don't think they're less functional now than Android.



Not sure what you're talking about here, I have no trouble doing this with my iPhone. I transfer files direct via wifi (no router) to my wireless sd card reader, and to my Canon printer.



I do all my banking on my iPhone, including depositing physical checks via photo. I don't know what "NFC payments" are. I use my debit and credit cards in Apple Pay to pay at stores (that support it, which sadly isn't many).



Don't need it, my 6s+ lasts 1.5 days.



What's wrong with using 3rd party apps? You limit yourself to stock apps only? Why?

You seem to miss the fact that all that I posted applies to me! Lol, the fact that you had to quote each bit and nitpick it is quite sad mate.

I have an iPad, I am aware of all that and WRT Widgets they don't sit in the main Home Screen like they do in my Android, and I cant have multiple homescreens of widgets the way I can in my Android. iOS, for me is far behind in all those aspects vs. Android.

Having to rely on the cloud FOR ME, is useless, I often go away to game farms, and areas that have limited internet access, so I need to be able to get things locally, again, for me iOS is severely limited in these cases.

 

[Klyster]

He's talking about continuous syncing to the cloud, iCloud or Google both of those are other peoples computers.

Oh, yeah that would work too I guess..

Not for me though.

 

[Radon87000]

You seem to miss the fact that all that I posted applies to me! Lol, the fact that you had to quote each bit and nitpick it is quite sad mate.

I have an iPad, I am aware of all that and WRT Widgets they don't sit in the main Home Screen like they do in my Android, and I cant have multiple homescreens of widgets the way I can in my Android. iOS, for me is far behind in all those aspects vs. Android.

Having to rely on the cloud FOR ME, is useless, I often go away to game farms, and areas that have limited internet access, so I need to be able to get things locally, again, for me iOS is severely limited in these cases.

Also the notifications system on Android makes iOS look like a complete joke. It's unbelievable how superior Android is in this aspect. Apple needs to take heed ASAP

 

[lowendlinux]

Oh, yeah that would work too I guess..

Not for me though.

Not for me either

 

[Ffosse]

I have virtually gone over to Apple - my only android is my Xperia XA which I sometimes listen to music on.

Other wise I have an iPhone 7 128GB, an iPad Mini 4 64GB, an Apple Watch 2 and a Shuffle.

 

[M. Gustave]

You seem to miss the fact that all that I posted applies to me! Lol, the fact that you had to quote each bit and nitpick it is quite sad mate.

Correcting your factual errors isn't nitpicking, "mate". The rest is subjective, you get to have an opinion, and so do I.

 

[Tsepz]

Correcting your factual errors isn't nitpicking, "mate". The rest is subjective, you get to have an opinion, and so do I.

I had no factual errors.