Why can't you let go of Android and move to iPhone.

[Twixt]

You can backup your iPhone to iCloud. All my music, photos, and documents are in the cloud also. If my phone stops working, I lose absolutely nothing.

If no iTunes usage and iCloud are fine with you it probably means that you have a very basic usage of your phone.
Also cloud is a waste of Time in 99% of the world where there is no or poor connectivity...
iPhone hardware is Nice but the rest is just too basic for professionals or even demanding residential customers

 

[Radon87000]

That don't have the useful lifespan. iPad 2; 2011 through 2016. iPhone 4s; 2011 through 2016.

The iPad 2 and iPhone 4s run like total crap. You call this support? I call it crippling .

It's a good thing Android doesn't have this "support" you are mentioning.I and many others would need to trash all Androids every 3 years or so.I would rather use Android Jellybean Nexus 7 2012 then an iPad 2 on iOS 10 and that's saying something

 

[M. Gustave]

If no iTunes usage and iCloud are fine with you it probably means that you have a very basic usage of your phone.

I'm not following you. What does iTunes have to do with getting Real Work™ done on an iPhone?

 

[I7guy]

The iPad 2 and iPhone 4s run like total crap. You call this support? I call it crippling .

It's a good thing Android doesn't have this "support" you are mentioning.I and many others would need to trash all Androids every 3 years or so.I would rather use Android Jellybean Nexus 7 2012 then an iPad 2 on iOS 10 and that's saying something

My ipad 2 runs just fine, what you posted sounds like a generalization that doesn't apply to everybody, which unfortunately appears to be a typical thing around here.

If you think it's great that android doesn't have "that support', well what can I really say.

You can't use an ipad 2 on IOS 10 as it's not supported. IOS 9 was the limit.

 

[KillaMac]

We have an original iPad Mini in the house, and it still runs great!

 

[mi7chy]

My iPad 2 runs like poop with only 512MB DRAM. Don't want to think what it's like with only 256MB except for maybe a clock.

 

[C DM]

My observation regarding iPhones is that iPhones start being lag city on the next major iOS update other than the one the phone shipped with while on the S7 whilst it may have small lags here and there it doesn't get worse with the next major Android version so in the long run Android ends up smoother than iOS . Right now my 7 Plus has zero lags but I have no doubt Once I upgrade to iOS 11 lags will start cropping up . Apple stops optimising for older devices and just takes the version developed for their current flagship and backports it to older devices stripping features along the way whereas Google's Android is optimised from the point of view of all Android devices as they are primarily a software company while Samsung can't mess with the software to intentionally slow it down so planned obsolescence just doesn't work

Don't think 5s was any sort of "lag city" on final versions of iOS 8, even compared to iOS 7 it came with. Or 4s was with iOS 6 compared to iOS 5. Just to put up a few examples.

 

[mrex]

All Androids seem to slow down over time. Mine at first felt very fast, but overtime has gotten pretty laggy. It is just known issue with Android. Especially Samsungs.

That was before android 4.3 - so many years ago. If it is still a known fact - people should educate themselves.

 

[Radon87000]

My ipad 2 runs just fine, what you posted sounds like a generalization that doesn't apply to everybody, which unfortunately appears to be a typical thing around here.

It's on every device as in addition to my own iPad Mini I had handled A5 chipset devices and they were atrociously bad. I would go so far as to state that my Compaq laptop from 2009 running Vista was faster .

Now whether it bothers you that's another thing. But the facts remain that these devices should have been discontinued on iOS 7. I am an Android Nexus 7 owner and I am happy Google chose to discontinue it on Marshmallow.Its still a decently fast tablet and before you cry security fixes the Play Services API provides security fixes in real time for all Androids right till 4.0.

In the process all my Androids are now faster than competing iOS devices of their time

 

[Radon87000]

Don't think 5s was any sort of "lag city" on final versions of iOS 8, even compared to iOS 7 it came with. Or 4s was with iOS 6 compared to iOS 5. Just to put up a few examples.

My iPhone 6 started lagging after iOS 8. So if the 6 lagged then it should be self explanatory how the 5s and 4s would perform

Also iOS 6 was lightning fast on older devices.The funny thing is there was a video showing how an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 was keeping up with an iPhone 6s running iOS 9 in executing the same functions . Just goes to show how optimisation was in Steve's era

 

[zukeveui]

My iPhone 6 started lagging after iOS 8. So if the 6 lagged then it should be self explanatory how the 5s and 4s would perform

Also iOS 6 was lightning fast on older devices.The funny thing is there was a video showing how an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 was keeping up with an iPhone 6s running iOS 9 in executing the same functions . Just goes to show how optimisation was in Steve's era

A fusty nut with no kernel.

 

[KillaMac]

That was before android 4.3 - so many years ago. If it is still a known fact - people should educate themselves.

No sir. Another uninformed poster. Suggest you look at android central. You will see a lot of posts of current flagships. Like I said I own a s7 edge. I've owned almost every Samsung phone to date. I had the note 7, note 5, note 4, note 3, s5, s4, and other android phones like HTC and LG. All had some lag.

 

[KillaMac]

My iPhone 6 started lagging after iOS 8. So if the 6 lagged then it should be self explanatory how the 5s and 4s would perform

Also iOS 6 was lightning fast on older devices.The funny thing is there was a video showing how an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 was keeping up with an iPhone 6s running iOS 9 in executing the same functions . Just goes to show how optimisation was in Steve's era

Our iPhone 5 still runs great on iOS 10. It maybe a bit slow compared to newer phones but it doesn't lag.

 

[I7guy]

It's on every device as in addition to my own iPad Mini I had handled A5 chipset devices and they were atrociously bad. I would go so far as to state that my Compaq laptop from 2009 running Vista was faster .

Now whether it bothers you that's another thing. But the facts remain that these devices should have been discontinued on iOS 7. I am an Android Nexus 7 owner and I am happy Google chose to discontinue it on Marshmallow.Its still a decently fast tablet and before you cry security fixes the Play Services API provides security fixes in real time for all Androids right till 4.0.

In the process all my Androids are now faster than competing iOS devices of their time

My 2 ipad 2s run just fine on ios 9. better than ios 8 and better than ios 7. Whether or not you are exhibiting hypersensitivity(is the other end of "does not bother") of performance toward your devices is another matter. As an owner of two ipads 2s I am happy, and what I expected, apple to support their hardware for a more than reasonable lifespan. Core functionality updates, security fixes and app updates. Means my ipad 2 (or 4s) does so much more than equivalent tablets (or phones) of 2011. I still see an iphone 4s or two: how many of these have you seen from 2011?

• galaxy preval
• htc thunderbold
• htc inspire
• motoral atrix
• galaxy sii
• htc evo
• optimus
• droid bionic
• iphone 4s/4

Tablets in 2011:

• HTC Flyer
• Amazon Kindle Fire
• Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
• ASUS Eee Pad Transformer
• Toshiba Thrive
• B&N Nook Color
• Motorola Xoom
• BlackBerry PlayBook
• HP TouchPad
• Apple iPad 2

One reason I choose to invest in apple devices, my ios devices of that era have almost the same functionality as devices released for ios 10.

 

[C DM]

My iPhone 6 started lagging after iOS 8. So if the 6 lagged then it should be self explanatory how the 5s and 4s would perform

Also iOS 6 was lightning fast on older devices.The funny thing is there was a video showing how an iPhone 5 running iOS 6 was keeping up with an iPhone 6s running iOS 9 in executing the same functions . Just goes to show how optimisation was in Steve's era

That's all fine and good, but doesn't change the examples I brought up which don't fit in with the overgenerlized and exaggerated statement that was made earlier.

 

[macfacts]

No sir. Another uninformed poster. Suggest you look at android central. You will see a lot of posts of current flagships. Like I said I own a s7 edge. I've owned almost every Samsung phone to date. I had the note 7, note 5, note 4, note 3, s5, s4, and other android phones like HTC and LG. All had some lag.

I suspect it was the Samsung keyboard lagging and you are so stuck in iOS you don't know android let's you use alternative keyboards.

 

[Radon87000]

My 2 ipad 2s run just fine on ios 9. better than ios 8 and better than ios 7. Whether or not you are exhibiting hypersensitivity(is the other end of "does not bother") of performance toward your devices is another matter. As an owner of two ipads 2s I am happy, and what I expected, apple to support their hardware for a more than reasonable lifespan. Core functionality updates, security fixes and app updates. Means my ipad 2 (or 4s) does so much more than equivalent tablets (or phones) of 2011. I still see an iphone 4s or two: how many of these have you seen from 2011?

• galaxy preval
• htc thunderbold
• htc inspire
• motoral atrix
• galaxy sii
• htc evo
• optimus
• droid bionic
• iphone 4s/4

Tablets in 2011:

• HTC Flyer
• Amazon Kindle Fire
• Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
• ASUS Eee Pad Transformer
• Toshiba Thrive
• B&N Nook Color
• Motorola Xoom
• BlackBerry PlayBook
• HP TouchPad
• Apple iPad 2

One reason I choose to invest in apple devices, my ios devices of that era have almost the same functionality as devices released for ios 10.

You do not see these devices because these devices cannot handle the latest operating systems and were trashed while they were still decently fast.BTW they are all getting security fixes through the Play Services API and all of the core apps i.e. Messaging,Chrome,hangouts, notes etc are updated through the Play Store and they all get these update unlike iOS which needs a whole OS update to update iMessage and Safari etc

In other news iPad 2 cant open more than 2 browser tabs

Performance>Functionality

If you ever read game reviews,you would know that video cards can handle ultra settings on all games.But only the flagships can really handle them because the other cards have too slow fps to enjoy that extra functionality which is the exact case with the iPad 2

 

[macfacts]

Getting back on topic, the reasons for me personally why I'm still on Android (currently on a nexus 4 because my note 3 got damaged and Samsung took back my note 7) are cause it just works. The same workflow I use on desktops can be transferred to android. I can transfer files the same (FTP or samba), I can auto backup my android device to my private file server using the same tool (rsync), same way I backup my macbook. I don't want to learn workarounds for restrictions under iOS.

Example, to access files on a LAN or watch videos on my LAN, I would need something like Good reader on iOS, a PDF reader. Does that make sense? Using a PDF reader to browse files on my LAN? I prefer a tool/app to do one thing well and not be bloated.

My Nexus 4 has 2gb ram, same as the current flagship iPhone 7. Flagship android devices are more future proof than iPhone imo. For compatibility with apps, there hasn't been one I found I can't run on KitKat on my Nexus 4.

 

[I7guy]

You do not see these devices because these devices cannot handle the latest operating systems and were trashed while they were still decently fast.BTW they are all getting security fixes through the Play Services API and all of the core apps i.e. Messaging,Chrome,hangouts, notes etc are updated through the Play Store and they all get these update unlike iOS which needs a whole OS update to update iMessage and Safari etc

In other news iPad 2 cant open more than 2 browser tabs

Performance>Functionality

If you ever read game reviews,you would know that video cards can handle ultra settings on all games.But only the flagships can really handle them because the other cards have too slow fps to enjoy that extra functionality which is the exact case with the iPad 2

So what you are saying, is these devices don't get core o/s functionality updates. Got it.

Functionality and performance go hand in hand. What's the use of a fast device that is stuck in 2011 functionality? I'd rather have a fast device with 2016 functionality. Granted the ipad 2, cannot compete with 2016 hardware designs, but does just fine for a 2011 mobile device in 2016.

 

[M. Gustave]

Getting back on topic, the reasons for me personally why I'm still on Android (currently on a nexus 4 because my note 3 got damaged and Samsung took back my note 7) are cause it just works. The same workflow I use on desktops can be transferred to android.

Not a benefit to everyone. Desktop workflow is outdated and inefficient in many cases. For example, wired legacy peripherals.

Example, to access files on a LAN or watch videos on my LAN, I would need something like Good reader on iOS, a PDF reader. Does that make sense? Using a PDF reader to browse files on my LAN?

Obviously if you're using it to open video files on a lan, it's not just a "PDF reader", no matter what it's named.

My Nexus 4 has 2gb ram, same as the current flagship iPhone 7.

iOS devices have always had worse specs on paper than flagship Android phones, yet they have the same or better practical performance. iOS is optimized for the hardware.

 

[KillaMac]

I suspect it was the Samsung keyboard lagging and you are so stuck in iOS you don't know android let's you use alternative keyboards.

Actually I used Swiftkey Keyboard. I am not biased like yourself.

 

[macfacts]

Actually I used Swiftkey Keyboard. I am not biased like yourself.

How smooth is that swiftkey keyboard under iOS?

 

[KillaMac]

How smooth is that swiftkey keyboard under iOS?

Don't know, since I don't use it on IOS. I use it on my S7 edge.

 

[Radon87000]

So what you are saying, is these devices don't get core o/s functionality updates. Got it.

Define "core functionality update " so that I can answer your question

Functionality and performance go hand in hand.

They are inversely proportional . More functionality equals less performance

What's the use of a fast device that is stuck in 2011 functionality?

What's the use of a crippled device with 2016 functionality ? If the device takes 5 seconds to catch up to input what use is that functionality

And anyway what new functionality did Apple add?

Granted the ipad 2, cannot compete with 2016 hardware designs, but does just fine for a 2011 mobile device in 2016.

My Nexus 7 2012 is older than the iPad Mini and was faster . Yes it did not get the cutting edge OS but it was usable at least

 

[I7guy]

Define "core functionality update " so that I can answer your question


They are inversely proportional . More functionality equals less performance



What's the use of a crippled device with 2016 functionality ? If the device takes 5 seconds to catch up to input what use is that functionality

And anyway what new functionality did Apple add?



My Nexus 7 2012 is older than the iPad Mini and was faster . Yes it did not get the cutting edge OS but it was usable at least

Nope functionality and performance go hand in hand. Case in point, iOS 9 was proven to be faster than iOS 8.

My devices aren't crippled as I've said in past posts. My iPad 2 is quite usable with iOS 9 functionality. Not as fast as a pro given hardware circa 2011.