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Tsepz

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My Xperia XZ loses 2% overnight in airplane mode. My old iPhones lose zero% in airplane mode. Android definitely isn't as good as iOS when it comes to standby battery life but in use they're much closer.
My S7 Edge lost 2% overnight when I forgot to charge it the other night, no Power Saving, just running as normal. It is in Nougat, is your XZ on Nougat?
 

timeconsumer

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What "Multiple"? The only relevant chat app apart from iMessage is WhatsApp. And it allows me to communicate with my Android and iPhone buddies.
I'm assuming that you don't live in the US but on my Android phone I have the following apps that I use:

Signal
Hangouts
Telegram
WhatsApp
Google Messenger (SMS/MMS)
Skype

I wish people in the US would move to one prevalent messaging app that is cross platform. On an iPhone I would only need the Messages app to be installed as all of the people I message have iPhones and prefer it. I just use the others because my friends hate SMS/MMS and I hate it as well and they happen to be OK with messaging me on one of the listed apps. SMS/MMS is limited on what you can send and not all phones/carriers support wifi messaging.

Anybody that wants to get a hold of me that doesn't have imessage can use SMS. That's my use case; different from yours.
And this is an excellent example of why we don't have a prevalent cross-platform messaging app in the US. So it's essentially settle for inferior SMS/MMS or get an iPhone to message people.
 
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sunking101

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My S7 Edge lost 2% overnight when I forgot to charge it the other night, no Power Saving, just running as normal. It is in Nougat, is your XZ on Nougat?

I've read that 7.0 has bluetooth issues so I've kept it on Marshmallow until Sony release 7.1
My XZ has zero issues currently and I don't want to import any. The better implementation of Doze in Nougat probably helps with standby times.
 

Tsepz

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I've read that 7.0 has bluetooth issues so I've kept it on Marshmallow until Sony release 7.1
My XZ has zero issues currently and I don't want to import any. The better implementation of Doze in Nougat probably helps with standby times.
BT issues for the XZ or all?

I haven't had BT issues on my S7E, I play music via BT in my car and via a BT Speaker when gyming daily, so I am not a heavy BT user.


EDIT:

Doze-On-The-Go is what Android needed, the phone barely takes battery even when traveling while on Stand By.

Reviews of the S7 Edge will have to be updated.
 
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KillaMac

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What "Multiple"? The only relevant chat app apart from iMessage is WhatsApp. And it allows me to communicate with my Android and iPhone buddies.



You will care when your boss or client is on Windows and you don't have it




Only a small subset of the iPhone userbase can use it. The feature might as well not exist for the vast majority



91% use Windows.In other words,91% are in the same boat as me



It's definitely reliable if you got the money to spend for it. Sony's HDR OLED TV costs $18000 . No LCD comes close


@KillaMac.

This was when I left my iPhone 7 Plus before sleeping

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This was after I woke up
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Certainly not even close to a 1% battery drain overnight

Something isn't right when it's doing that in airplane mode.
 

KillaMac

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Well I just bought a lg v20 off swappa so I can get rid of this $50 a month on the iPhone 7 plus I am paying till the note 8 comes out. Not going to do the monthly any longer.
 

I7guy

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I'm assuming that you don't live in the US but on my Android phone I have the following apps that I use:

Signal
Hangouts
Telegram
WhatsApp
Google Messenger (SMS/MMS)
Skype

I wish people in the US would move to one prevalent messaging app that is cross platform. On an iPhone I would only need the Messages app to be installed as all of the people I message have iPhones and prefer it. I just use the others because my friends hate SMS/MMS and I hate it as well and they happen to be OK with messaging me on one of the listed apps. SMS/MMS is limited on what you can send and not all phones/carriers support wifi messaging.


And this is an excellent example of why we don't have a prevalent cross-platform messaging app in the US. So it's essentially settle for inferior SMS/MMS or get an iPhone to message people.
Tried hangouts when son had android, not as good as iMessage by a long shot. Installed WhatsApp a long time ago when coworker went abroad; coworker though had iPhone. WhatsApp isn't bad they did a good job; still prefer iMessage.
 

Radon87000

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Anybody that wants to get a hold of me that doesn't have imessage can use SMS. That's my use case; different from yours.
SMS is ancient history.And its nowhere near as choesive and instant like WhatsApp


Doesn't affect me either way; mostly everything work-based is web-based.
Definitely affects people who are constantly in meetings and need collaboration.Skype is the only way if the other guy has got Windows.

Again, we are discussing my use case, and the functionality is really cool. Similar to t-mobiles functionality.
You could put all the carriers in the US together and it would still amount to a micron of iPhone's worldwide users


Right, again your use case doesn't apply to everybody.
Nothing to do with use cases. Considering marketshares, if you want to collaborate or get work done with some other person,9 times out of 10 he is gonna be a Windows user


A Ferrari, to use a car analogy is x times more expensive as an F-150, still can't do the things an F-150 can. Expense doesn't always mean the best for every use case.
Cars examples does not fit here because there are certain race cars faster than a Rolls Royce at the same price yet people buy RR because of other diffrentiating features. OLED displays are superior to LCD Monitors in every possible way. The only issue is that its not possible to take a GOOD OLED mainstream as its too expensive to do so.

http://www.theverge.com/ces/2017/1/4/14159258/sony-oled-bravia-4k-hdr-tv-ces-2017-specs

"The news confirms Sony’s rumored, big shift in display technology for the living room. OLED TVs have been LG’s thing over the last several years, with most other TV makers focused on LCD panels. But now — finally — there’s some pretty significant competition coming in."

"Sony says that moving to OLED allows it to offer a TV with “unprecedented black levels, rich and lifelike color, dynamic contrast, blur-less image, and a wide viewing angle.” LG would probably disagree with the whole “unprecedented” thing, but it probably holds true compared to Sony’s previous televisions"

"OLEDs truly do offer superior black levels and more vibrant color compared to a majority of LCD sets"

"Taking advantage of the OLED’s backlight-less structure, Sony developed a new Acoustic Surface sound technology. Thanks to the ingenious design, the entire screen resonates with rich sound emanating directly from the screen itself."

PRICE= 20K

This TV mops the floor with any LCD out there



On battery saver my 6s maybe loses 2% overnight and that's with emails and notifications.

The name of the app is air disk free. Works like a champ for my use case.

I lose that much on an iPad Air 2 . Am I using it wrong?
 

I7guy

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SMS is ancient history.And its nowhere near as choesive and instant like WhatsApp
It just works.

Definitely affects people who are constantly in meetings and need collaboration.Skype is the only way if the other guy has got Windows.
So you polled the masses and discovered about there requirements?

You could put all the carriers in the US together and it would still amount to a micron of iPhone's worldwide users
Please explain the relevance of this to me using some feature.


Nothing to do with use cases. Considering marketshares, if you want to collaborate or get work done with some other person,9 times out of 10 he is gonna be a Windows user
Has everything to do with use cases.

Cars examples does not fit here because there are certain race cars faster than a Rolls Royce at the same price yet people buy RR because of other diffrentiating features. OLED displays are superior to LCD Monitors in every possible way. The only issue is that its not possible to take a GOOD OLED mainstream as its too expensive to do so.
Oled are superior in every possible way including burn-in and color shifting. Two features not found in LCD, you are correct. Which is why ips is more reliable. Car analogies are often excellent examples of the type of logic used here.

I lose that much on an iPad Air 2 . Am I using it wrong?
You would have to enumerate that.
 

iSheep5S

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These multi quotes kill me.

The S7 benchmarks lower on android N than on android M. I tested when I got it and just recently for Nougat.

From a previous post I'm not quoting due to multi quote. Interesting how the defunct XP has a higher percentage of users than macOS.
 

timeconsumer

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Tried hangouts when son had android, not as good as iMessage by a long shot. Installed WhatsApp a long time ago when coworker went abroad; coworker though had iPhone. WhatsApp isn't bad they did a good job; still prefer iMessage.
I also prefer iMessage, Apple did an excellent job with it. It's a huge reason why I'm returning to an iPhone.
 
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I thought the new 7 had the latest LTE hardware?

http://www.pcmag.com/news/347729/will-iphone-7-support-t-mobiles-new-400mbps-network

No, it doesn't. If you don't mind not having the latest and greatest LTE speeds with new carrier network upgrades, then it doesn't matter. People that are tech savvy or well versed buyers will know what they're purchasing. People can still surf the web, so it's not obsolete vs state of the art like the LTE vs HSPA+ difference. Though, it's a disparity in the theoretical price to value ratio Androids and iPhones provide.
 

nviz22

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So how can you check to know if it supports it? Like my LG V20 I am getting?

You would need to download an LTE app, I saw some in some old videos for the S7/S7E. I doubt the V20 will have one because LG keeps up with market standards, whereas Samsung pulled off an unexpected addition in conjunction with T-Mobile.

However, I don't think your V20 will have it. Maybe QAM 256 because it's a Qualcomm Modem thing (X12 I think) that needs an OTA update. MIMO is hardware based. You do have LTE Band 66 according to TMO-News if you have T-Mobile.
 

I7guy

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http://www.pcmag.com/news/347729/will-iphone-7-support-t-mobiles-new-400mbps-network

No, it doesn't. If you don't mind not having the latest and greatest LTE speeds with new carrier network upgrades, then it doesn't matter. People that are tech savvy or well versed buyers will know what they're purchasing. People can still surf the web, so it's not obsolete vs state of the art like the LTE vs HSPA+ difference. Though, it's a disparity in the theoretical price to value ratio Androids and iPhones provide.
So then according to this, apples best in class SOC is also a disparity in the theoretical price to value ratio between Androids and the iphones.
 

Radon87000

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It just works.
Thats the equivalent of asking me to use Windows XP because that also "Works"


So you polled the masses and discovered about there requirements?
Not me but many organisations did.I posted the chart above.Around 91% are using Windows hence you would see the same penetration in offices


Please explain the relevance of this to me using some feature.
Please explain the relevance of you using the feature which is non existent to the rest of the world.

Has everything to do with use cases.
The market share disagrees with you.9 on 10 are currently on Windows and Facetime is not on Windows


Oled are superior in every possible way including burn-in and color shifting. Two features not found in LCD, you are correct. Which is why ips is more reliable. Car analogies are often excellent examples of the type of logic used here.

Then why is Apple going for OLED on iPhone and why did they use OLED on AW?
Why did Jony Ive call LCD ancient history?

People spending 20k on an monitor are suffering burn in? And the companies are getting away with it?


You would have to enumerate that.
Uh when I keep my iPad on my bedside table,by morning its battery is depleted by 2%

I disagree. Apple makes the best hardware in the business and iOS is easier to use than android. So there we have it.

Its hardly the best in anything except the processor and apps.Galaxy S7 Edge surpassed it on design.Camera is a tie.Display is not even close. Doesnt support Wireless charging nor has iris scanners.Lacks NFC and expandable storage

You need a ton of different apps to even download files on iOS and need iTunes for syncing.You cant even set default apps of your choice. User friendly?
 
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I7guy

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Thats the equivalent of asking me to use Windows XP because that also "Works"
Windows xp is great I do use it; use whatever you want.

Not me but many organisations did.I posted the chart above.Around 91% are using Windows hence you would see the same penetration in offices
Basically disenfranchised users if windows is not used, got it.


Please explain the relevance of you using the feature which is non existent to the rest of the world.
Please explain why you want to disenfranchise users?

The market share disagrees with you.9 on 10 are currently on Windows and Facetime is not on Windows
But
My iPad and macs disagree.

Then why is Apple going for OLED on iPhone and why did they use OLED on AW?
Why did Jony Ive call LCD ancient history?
Prove it.

People spending 20k on an monitor are suffering burn in? And the companies are getting away with it?-
Oled burn and color shifting are issues with oled, even with expensive tvs.


Uh when I keep my iPad on my bedside table,by morning its battery is depleted by 2%
Okay and?

Its hardly the best in anything except the processor and apps.Galaxy S7 Edge surpassed it on design.Camera is a tie.Display is not even close. Doesnt support Wireless charging nor has iris scanners.Lacks NFC and expandable storage
Best soc, best camera, most accurate display makes it best imo.

You need a ton of different apps to even download files on iOS and need iTunes for syncing.You cant even set default apps of your choice. User friendly?
That's my issue, not yours.
 

Lloydbm41

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So how can you check to know if it supports it? Like my LG V20 I am getting?
The only phones with 4x4 MIMO are the S7 variants. The V20 lacks the antenna hardware for 4X4 MIMO.

That said, as long as the new phones coming out this year have the SD 835 chip with the X16 modem, it is a high probability that they will also have the required hardware for achieving 400-500 mbps dl speeds (assuming your market has the towers upgraded for utilization and carrier aggregation). If I were you, I would wait for the V30. Do Not get the G6. It won't have the 835 chip.
 

KillaMac

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I'm buying it used to go back to Android for now. So it doesn't bother me getting the V20. I will be looking at the Note 8 though.

The only phones with 4x4 MIMO are the S7 variants. The V20 lacks the antenna hardware for 4X4 MIMO.

That said, as long as the new phones coming out this year have the SD 835 chip with the X16 modem, it is a high probability that they will also have the required hardware for achieving 400-500 mbps dl speeds (assuming your market has the towers upgraded for utilization and carrier aggregation). If I were you, I would wait for the V30. Do Not get the G6. It won't have the 835 chip.
 
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