Why can't you let go of Android and move to iPhone.

[Radon87000]

Windows xp is great I do use it; use whatever you want.

Now I have heard everything lol;you use a more than a decade old OS and call it great? And tell people to use SMS?What is this 2000?

Why should a clumsy medium like SMS be used when a far superior alternative like WhatsApp exists?

Basically disenfranchised users if windows is not used, got it.

Windows will be used because 90% of the planet uses it. Even Apple had to accomodate for Windows on Mac

Please explain why you want to disenfranchise users?

If a feature doesnt benefit the vast majority its not a feature at all

But
My iPad and macs disagree.

Your iPads and Mac agree.Because any time you need to use video call with collaboration and the client uses Windows( the chances of which are 9 on 10 due to Windows marketshare), what the heck is the use of Facetime?

Prove it.

The iPhone 8 proof is incoming in 7 months

Visit apple.com for proof about watch having OLED

http://forums.appleinsider.com/disc...ers-jony-ive-and-marc-newson-posted-to-web/p2

"Under normal circumstances, the screen will then show one of nine watch faces, each customizable. One will show the time alongside a brightly lit flower, butterfly, or jellyfish; these will be in motion, against a black background. This imagery had dominated the launch, and Ive now explained his enthusiasm for it. He picked up his iPhone 6 and pressed the home button. “The whole of the display comes on,” he said. “That, to me, feels very, very old.” (The iPhone 6 reached stores two weeks later.) He went on to explain that an Apple Watch uses a new display technology whose blacks are blacker than those in an iPhone’s L.E.D. display. This makes it easier to mask the point where, beneath a glass surface, a display ends and its frame begins. An Apple Watch jellyfish swims in deep space, and becomes, Ive said, as much an attribute of the watch as an image. On a current iPhone screen, a jellyfish would be pinned against dark gray, and framed in black, and, Ive said, have “much less magic.”"

I dont see Jony talking about color shifting or burn in?

Oled burn and color shifting are issues with oled, even with expensive tvs.

No one in their right mind will pay 20k for an OLED with predominant burn in. And what about LCD Backlight bleed,dead pixels and yellow tint?

Okay and?

Thats the enumeration you asked for.Your 6s drains 2% overnight.That happens on my Air 2.My 7 Plus drains at least 6% a night

Best soc, best camera, most accurate display makes it best imo.

Proof on best camera?And is that all?Thats nothing compared to what I said for Android

That's my issue, not yours.

If you need to jump through hoops for something the competiton does in 1 step its everybody's issue

 

[I7guy]

Now I have heard everything lol;you use a more than a decade old OS and call it great? And tell people to use SMS?What is this 2000?

Obviously you have nothing of value to add.

Why should a clumsy medium like SMS be used when a far superior alternative like WhatsApp exists?

It's an ubiquitous standard.

Windows will be used because 90% of the planet uses it. Even Apple had to accomodate for Windows on Mac


If a feature doesnt benefit the vast majority its not a feature at all

Here we go with disenfranchisement of users.

Your iPads and Mac agree.Because any time you need to use video call with collaboration and the client uses Windows( the chances of which are 9 on 10 due to Windows marketshare), what the heck is the use of Facetime?

Your largest client has an iPhone and only wants to use FaceTime, what to do?

The iPhone 8 proof is incoming in 7 months

We'll discuss it then.

No one in their right mind will pay 20k for an OLED with predominant burn in.

That's a statement demanding proof.

Proof on best camera?And is that all?Thats nothing compared to what I said for Android

I'd like to see proof the less innovative s7 camera is better.

If you need to jump through hoops for something the competiton does in 1 step its everybody's issue

I fulfilled my requirement.

 

[macfacts]

The iPhone has the best ________ , that's why I can't move away from Android.
​

Does that statement make sense? Some people prefer Android and what ever you put in the blank line, it is some insignificant feature that that user doesn't care about.

So when the multiple posts in this thread go off topic and are saying what specifically on the iPhone is better, and those features haven't shifted more users to ios, then it can be inferred that those aren't killer features.

I seriously want an Apple fan to tell me if the iPhone is the best, why are some users staying with Android? That's what this thread is about, why those users can't move away from Android.

Tim Cook should be able to look at this thread to get ideas on how to make iPhone better so that users will switch to the iPhone. Instead he will see posts in this thread on how the iPhone is the best. No need to make it better.

 

[Radon87000]

Obviously you have nothing of value to add.

I already added value by stating that it everyone used WhatsApp it would be better than iMessage as its cross platform . SMS communications are not encrypted and take a hella lot of time to reach compared to chat apps

It's an ubiquitous standard.

Then why are millions of users downloading chat apps?

Here we go with disenfranchisement of users.

Not at all. Mac users have been given the option of running Windows if they want to. Facts remain. Considering market penetration its almost a virtual certainty that someone you meet on the road or in the office has Windows not Mac

Your largest client has an iPhone and only wants to use FaceTime, what to do?

Work is done on computers. Not phones. You can't run a full featured SAP Accounting package in an iPhone

That's a statement demanding proof.

Well uh they have sold at least 1 product . So why will a guy pay 3x more for burn in when LCD exists.I know. Maybe it's the backlight bleed or yellow tint which plagues LCDs out there

I'd like to see proof the less innovative s7 camera is better.

Dxomark

 

[Radon87000]

I will be honest here . If I hadn't spent so much on Apple devices and the apps,including reliance on iMessage and app quality I would have migrated to Android full time . Android is just far more fun than iOS and seems more intuitive. Android is more like a computer OS than iOS

 

[C DM]

I will be honest here . If I hadn't spent so much on Apple devices and the apps,including reliance on iMessage and app quality I would have migrated to Android full time . Android is just far more fun than iOS and seems more intuitive. Android is more like a computer OS than iOS

Some people want/need this, others that, and others still something else. All really comes down to personal choice that is different for different people for different reasons (and really doesn't affect others).

 

[I7guy]

I already added value by stating that it everyone used WhatsApp it would be better than iMessage as its cross platform . SMS communications are not encrypted and take a hella lot of time to reach compared to chat apps

Basically then equivalent functionality.

Then why are millions of users downloading chat apps?

So everybody's use case is my use case and your use case? Some fallacious reasoning there.

Not at all. Mac users have been given the option of running Windows if they want to. Facts remain. Considering market penetration its almost a virtual certainty that someone you meet on the road or in the office has Windows not Mac

You keep moving the goal posts. Case is already stated.

Work is done on computers. Not phones. You can't run a full featured SAP Accounting package in an iPhone

Why not?

Well uh they have sold at least 1 product . So why will a guy pay 3x more for burn in when LCD exists.I know. Maybe it's the backlight bleed or yellow tint which plagues LCDs out there

They are not $20,000 tvs that suffer the same burn-in and color shifting that much less expensive oled devices do.

Dxomark

Displaymate.

Post-mortem: Nothing new to be added except tit-for-tat responses, which are subjective anyway. I spend my hard earned dimes on the best for me, that manufacturer wins business as opposed to "winning" a war of words on MR.

 

[Cakefish]

I own an iPad Air 2 and absolutely love it. However, I absolutely despise the way iOS handles notifications. Every single email, or every single reply to my comment on YouTube or every single Tapatalk notification or every Facebook notification all coming through independently.

On Android it's easy to see what apps have notifications, expand them to get more info and swipe away what doesn't interest me while acting on what does. With iOS it's a chore to go through notifications, an absolute chore.

The lack of a proper way to manage local files on the device without using iTunes is another really annoying 'feature'.

 

[nviz22]

The iPhone has the best ________ , that's why I can't move away from Android.
​

Does that statement make sense? Some people prefer Android and what ever you put in the blank line, it is some insignificant feature that that user doesn't care about.

So when the multiple posts in this thread go off topic and are saying what specifically on the iPhone is better, and those features haven't shifted more users to ios, then it can be inferred that those aren't killer features.

I seriously want an Apple fan to tell me if the iPhone is the best, why are some users staying with Android? That's what this thread is about, why those users can't move away from Android.

Tim Cook should be able to look at this thread to get ideas on how to make iPhone better so that users will switch to the iPhone. Instead he will see posts in this thread on how the iPhone is the best. No need to make it better.

I7Guy is an Apple Enthusiast, so you're going to get subjectivity from them. The iPhone isn't the best phone by far. I would say the best phone out right now is the S7 Edge, Pixel XL if you take out an SD card slot. The iPhone is an overpriced phone lacking many features that should be standard in flagship phones: wireless charging, quick charge, bigger batteries just to name a few. Imagine if the S7 Edge ran iOS? It would be considered the best phone out without a doubt because it combines Samsung's hardware with a resource efficient OS. If the S7 Edge ran the Pixel Launcher and pure Android, it would be the best phone out to date. You're paying a premium and a half with iOS products. At some point, the software isn't worth the sticker price because the alternative can do the job just as well, if not better. But then the Apple Enthusiast will throw out their subjective needs and say can your Android do this and that? They argue back and forth with Radon. Can't change I7Guy because he's obsessed with his iOS stuff.

 

[Radon87000]

Basically then equivalent functionality.

If it was equivalent chat apps wouldnt have picked up in the first place

So everybody's use case is my use case and your use case? Some fallacious reasoning there.


You keep moving the goal posts. Case is already stated.

Which OS does 90% of the world use?Windows.Is Facetime on Windows? No.Is Skype on every OS?Yes

Why not?

The functionality is not even close to that on a desktop

They are not $20,000 tvs that suffer the same burn-in and color shifting that much less expensive oled devices do.

Yes.The same is also true of flagship smartphone which offer the best OLEDs around

Displaymate.

Displaymate states the S7 Edge has the best display on the planet.DX0mark states S7 Edge has a better camera than the iPhone.OLED curved Screens.fast Charge.NFC.Wireless Charging. No way is the iPhone the best phone out there .

I7Guy is an Apple Enthusiast, so you're going to get subjectivity from them. The iPhone isn't the best phone by far. I would say the best phone out right now is the S7 Edge, Pixel XL if you take out an SD card slot. The iPhone is an overpriced phone lacking many features that should be standard in flagship phones: wireless charging, quick charge, bigger batteries just to name a few. Imagine if the S7 Edge ran iOS? It would be considered the best phone out without a doubt because it combines Samsung's hardware with a resource efficient OS. If the S7 Edge ran the Pixel Launcher and pure Android, it would be the best phone out to date. You're paying a premium and a half with iOS products. At some point, the software isn't worth the sticker price because the alternative can do the job just as well, if not better. But then the Apple Enthusiast will throw out their subjective needs and say can your Android do this and that? They argue back and forth with Radon. Can't change I7Guy because he's obsessed with his iOS stuff.

I am willing to bet that the iPhone 8 will be essentially an S7 Edge running iOS. Meanwhile Samsung may have moved on to almost bezel free phones

 

[timeconsumer]

I already added value by stating that it everyone used WhatsApp it would be better than iMessage as its cross platform . SMS communications are not encrypted and take a hella lot of time to reach compared to chat apps

This is actually extremely valid as SMS is garbage with the current messaging options available. Any messaging app that uses end to end encryption by default, available on android/iOS and with a computer app available is what needs to become the standard. WhatsApp meets this and for those who live where it's used primarily I'm jealous. But it seems the US is still going to use SMS/MMS for the time being. But that's ok, let's keep letting our wireless carrier's have access to every message and photo we send, that's fine with everyone right?

 

[I7guy]

If it was equivalent chat apps wouldnt have picked up in the first place

Seems like mostly android users need them.

Which OS does 90% of the world use?Windows.Is Facetime on Windows? No.Is Skype on every OS?Yes

Which o/s isn't supported by android?

The functionality is not even close to that on a desktop

Ok and?

Yes.The same is also true of flagship smartphone which offer the best OLEDs around

All oled have burn in and color shifting.

Display-mate states the S7 Edge has the best display on the planet.DX0mark states S7 Edge has a better camera than the iPhone.OLED curved Screens.fast Charge.NFC.Wireless Charging. No way is the iPhone the best phone out there .

Most accuracy display is the iPhone 7.

I am willing to bet that the iPhone 8 will be essentially an S7 Edge running iOS. Meanwhile Samsung may have moved on to almost bezel free phones

We'll discuss when iPhone 8 is released.

 

[C DM]

This is actually extremely valid as SMS is garbage with the current messaging options available. Any messaging app that uses end to end encryption by default, available on android/iOS and with a computer app available is what needs to become the standard. WhatsApp meets this and for those who live where it's used primarily I'm jealous. But it seems the US is still going to use SMS/MMS for the time being. But that's ok, let's keep letting our wireless carrier's have access to every message and photo we send, that's fine with everyone right?

People have been letting email providers have similar access to emails they send/receive for essentially decades now. Same goes with text messaging for years and years before additional options of proprietary messaging services become available.

 

[Radon87000]

People have been letting email providers have similar access to emails they send/receive for essentially decades now. Same goes with text messaging for years and years before additional options of proprietary messaging services become available.

This is how iPhone users treat SMS

https://medium.com/message/its-kind-of-cheesy-being-green-2c72cc9e5eda#.gci0bd4a7

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...gets-iphone-users-to-hate-android-users.shtml

 

[timeconsumer]

People have been letting email providers have similar access to emails they send/receive for essentially decades now. Same goes with text messaging for years and years before additional options of proprietary messaging services become available.

I'm aware of that. That's why I said in my post "with current messaging options available". There are far better options available now. There are also encrypted email options available now where your email provider doesn't have access to your email. But email is a bit more work to achieve end to end encryption than simply downloading a messaging app to your phone. The US just seems to be stuck on SMS/MMS for whatever reason.

 

[C DM]

This is how iPhone users treat SMS

https://medium.com/message/its-kind-of-cheesy-being-green-2c72cc9e5eda#.gci0bd4a7

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...gets-iphone-users-to-hate-android-users.shtml

That is how something anecdotal gets spun.

 

[nviz22]

If it was equivalent chat apps wouldnt have picked up in the first place



Which OS does 90% of the world use?Windows.Is Facetime on Windows? No.Is Skype on every OS?Yes



The functionality is not even close to that on a desktop



Yes.The same is also true of flagship smartphone which offer the best OLEDs around



Displaymate states the S7 Edge has the best display on the planet.DX0mark states S7 Edge has a better camera than the iPhone.OLED curved Screens.fast Charge.NFC.Wireless Charging. No way is the iPhone the best phone out there .



I am willing to bet that the iPhone 8 will be essentially an S7 Edge running iOS. Meanwhile Samsung may have moved on to almost bezel free phones

That isn't a bad concept if it were priced without the Apple Tax. I guess that's only going to happen on eBay when the phone is like 6 months old.

 

[KillaMac]

I'm already liking this thing! Waiting for it to transfer my pictures.

Right LG V20. Left iPhone 7 plus

 

[Radon87000]

I'm already liking this thing! Waiting for it to transfer my pictures.

Right LG V20. Left iPhone 7 plus

Which gaming keyboard is that?

 

[nordique]

Most accuracy display is the iPhone 7.


We'll discuss when iPhone 8 is released.

Your last point is fair....as no one knows what the iPhone 8 will be yet.


But dude come on....talk about coming from a purely one-sided biased perspective....

I have an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7 right in front of me. There is absolutely no way any reasonable person with working vision can claim the S7 has a worse display.

Sure maybe* colour accuracy but that is marginal, I can see two videos right now and guess what...I don't notice which one is slightly more green or yellow or red, I notice which one has true blacks (Galaxy) vs which one doesn't (iPhone). Truthfully, I think the S7 has nicer colours....saturated or not, they look nicer.

...and even then it doesn't change the fact that the S7 *still* has a nicer display. Its not even a contest. Not even close. So what's the argument?

The S7 screen is also night and day crisper. Maybe not quite at arms length but if you bring them close enough (like the distance people hold their phones) you can resolve how much crisper it is than the 750p resolution on the iPhone. 1440p is a lot nicer and despite what people claim about it being pointless (maybe it is actually, as 750p isn't ugly either) it is a very noticeable "upgrade" on 750p. Even over 1080p.

The iPhone 7 is fine, and I have no issue with it in terms of how it's display looks.

But since we are commenting on a comparison between it and the Galaxy S7, put the exact same wallpaper on and you'll realize just how outclassed the iPhone 7 screen is. Apple did some marvellous things with it yes, but it is not at all superior to the S7's display.


If "oled has burn-in and colour shifting" is one of your main debate points, then your argument is outdated...you need to realize it's 2017 on the calendar so a discussion that is more relevant to today's high end smart phones should be at the forefront of your thoughts....and not OLED tech of a decade ago.

There was a time TN was the way to go over IPS too....that changed as IPS tech matured.

OLED is the same. There are many reasons Apple is looking to switch to OLED.....and it has everything to do with it being an all around superior display.

 

[KillaMac]

Which gaming keyboard is that?

It's the Corsair k70 brown switches. .

 

[iSheep5S]

I just did...

iPhone 7 purchased yesterday. Love it! Thats coming rom the fabled Galaxy S7.

I am an iOS to android and back again switcher. Here are my thoughts.

The unbiased cant deny the S7 is the better phone. Samsung probably come here for the 'what do you want from the next iPhone' threads then actually do it!

BUT!

if your use to iOS and want a no fuss quality phone then iPhone is your phone. Incremental improvements over the years but not different enough to alienate long term users. Ive been on android after the iPhone 6+ for 2 years and its nice to be back! Mac, Pad, Pod and phone is my reason this time.

 

[Radon87000]

Your last point is fair....as no one knows what the iPhone 8 will be yet.


But dude come on....talk about coming from a purely one-sided biased perspective....

I have an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7 right in front of me. There is absolutely no way any reasonable person with working vision can claim the S7 has a worse display.

Sure maybe* colour accuracy but that is marginal, I can see two videos right now and guess what...I don't notice which one is slightly more green or yellow or red, I notice which one has true blacks (Galaxy) vs which one doesn't (iPhone). Truthfully, I think the S7 has nicer colours....saturated or not, they look nicer.

...and even then it doesn't change the fact that the S7 *still* has a nicer display. Its not even a contest. Not even close. So what's the argument?

The S7 screen is also night and day crisper. Maybe not quite at arms length but if you bring them close enough (like the distance people hold their phones) you can resolve how much crisper it is than the 750p resolution on the iPhone. 1440p is a lot nicer and despite what people claim about it being pointless (maybe it is actually, as 750p isn't ugly either) it is a very noticeable "upgrade" on 750p. Even over 1080p.

The iPhone 7 is fine, and I have no issue with it in terms of how it's display looks.

But since we are commenting on a comparison between it and the Galaxy S7, put the exact same wallpaper on and you'll realize just how outclassed the iPhone 7 screen is. Apple did some marvellous things with it yes, but it is not at all superior to the S7's display.


If "oled has burn-in and colour shifting" is one of your main debate points, then your argument is outdated...you need to realize it's 2017 on the calendar so a discussion that is more relevant to today's high end smart phones should be at the forefront of your thoughts....and not OLED tech of a decade ago.

There was a time TN was the way to go over IPS too....that changed as IPS tech matured.

OLED is the same. There are many reasons Apple is looking to switch to OLED.....and it has everything to do with it being an all around superior display.

No use arguing with him. He keeps repeating his false arguments. Anyone who believes LCD even stands a chance against OLED needs to visit an optometrist

 

[scrumpyjack]

I am willing to bet that the iPhone 8 will be essentially an S7 Edge running iOS. Meanwhile Samsung may have moved on to almost bezel free phones

But no one knows what the next iPhone will look like yet? It'll probably have max 2GB RAM but that's nothing new. Apple have bettered Samsung with every release in the vast majority of people's eyes, I see no reason why that would stop now.

 

[Radon87000]

But no one knows what the next iPhone will look like yet? It'll probably have max 2GB RAM but that's nothing new. Apple have bettered Samsung with every release in the vast majority of people's eyes, I see no reason why that would stop now.

Rumors about major changes on the next iPhone always turn out to be true. eg- Removal of the headphone jack. The major new changes in the iPhone 8 are a curved OLED display,glass back and wireless charging