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macrumors 65816
Original poster
May 13, 2011
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Because people have opinions....

lol

But they are not opinions if u are ready to die for iOS or android for that matter it's showing that they are not open minded,sorry if my reply has a bad ring just trying to have a healthy debate:)

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The Internet is filled with posts by young males.

Enough said.

I'm a 14 year old male but I like trying something new....
 

chrono1081

macrumors G3
Jan 26, 2008
8,725
5,204
Isla Nublar
When it comes to games, I've heard that because some GPUs have features that others don't - and somehow with Android you're kinda forced to program more specifically. That makes things frustrating for the devs because again - some GPUs support things and others have to have it done a different way.

Is that true?

Most of the time I hear people on here talk about fragmentation they explain it by going into different screen sizes, hardware keyboards, and stuff like HTC sense and Samsung touchwiz, and how the bundled programs vary by model and carrier. Really now? That's not even a problem.

The more accustomed I get to MS' Windows Phone and Windows 8, the more I dislike them.

Different GPU's are problems too. Its very very hard to deal with performance unless your game is basic and doesn't require much processing power.

As for the screen sizes it can be a big problem. Art has to be redone for each screen size or the game won't look as good as it can, but the biggest issue is screen proportions. You can throw a giant monkey wrench into a video game by changing the aspect ratio of the screen.

Even if you use an engine like Unity 3D that handles this very well, you can still end up with issues especially with on screen controls and positions. I'm currently dealing with this myself trying to get my iOS game to work smoothly on Android so I can release on both platforms at the same time.
 

BornAgainMac

macrumors 604
Feb 4, 2004
7,337
5,355
Florida Resident
I have an Android tablet (Xoom) and an iPad. Apps like Angry Birds startup slower and generic apps like IMDB look terrible compared the the iPad version. I have seen photos taken from Android phones and they look terrible like the iPad 2. The only positive thing I can say is that Flash wasn't horrible when using the browser. Resale value with my Android was a fraction of what I paid for it and now it sits in a drawer. I only picked the Xoom because I wouldn't have to deal with a contract and I really was curious about all the hype with Android and the iPad 2 was always sold out for the first few months.
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England

I've seen that first link before. Ice cream sandwich is a step in the right direction because Google allows developers to force their app to use the Holo theme, which is standard ics. This should make it easier for developers to update their apps on the various devices they release for.

This isn't going to help with upgrading Android itself, but will mitigate some of the fragmentation problems (once everybody is actually updated to ice cream sandwich of course)

I know you shouldn't have to, but rooting is so easy to do and a lot of the time the custom roms are actually better than the official ones, especially where battery life is concerned!

I think the best thing for Android would be for rooting to be embraced and allowed in warranties. Bricked phones are a rarity.
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
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I think the best thing for Android would be for rooting to be embraced and allowed in warranties. Bricked phones are a rarity.

That will never happen since rooting always results in removing carrier specific bloat ware and they can't have that. Also, carriers and/or manufacturers don't want to be held responsible when some idiot flashes the wrong rom to his phone and bricks it or the dev can't get the camera or some feature working and the customer takes his phone back crying. You were right when you said you shouldn't have to. Having to hack your phone to instal a rom some guy threw together in his basement just to make your phone work correctly is ********* to begin with. Gotta love Android :rolleyes:
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
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32
Lincoln, England
That will never happen since rooting always results in removing carrier specific bloat ware and they can't have that. Also, carriers and/or manufacturers don't want to be held responsible when some idiot flashes the wrong rom to his phone and bricks it or the dev can't get the camera or some feature working and the customer takes his phone back crying. You were right when you said you shouldn't have to. Having to hack your phone to instal a rom some guy threw together in his basement just to make your phone work correctly is ********* to begin with. Gotta love Android :rolleyes:

I didn't say it would happen, I said it would be good if it did. Phones are very rarely bricked. I had to pull my phone battery in the middle of a ROM install, thought the worst but it was absolutely fine.

Plus people don't have to hack their phones to make them work, but the option is there. I wanted ice cream sandwich and to get rid of touch wiz + samsungs other bloat. My phone worked fine before, it just wasn't to my tastes. I prefer the stock Android experience but the Galaxy Nexus isn't enough of an upgrade my phone to warrant buying it. Therefore I rooted and installed an ics rom in about 15 minutes.. Incredibly easy to do.

Rooting isn't a necessity. The galaxy s2 is a superb phone and works fine with stock firmware. Have you used one or is your blind hatred of android talking as usual?
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
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Rooting isn't a necessity. The galaxy s2 is a superb phone and works fine with stock firmware. Have you used one or is your blind hatred of android talking as usual?

Yep, had the Epic Touch since it was released. Just sold it a few days ago actually. Was a good phone but I had too many issues with Go launcher and Go SMS. Battery life sucked too. I much prefer my 4s
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
Yep, had the Epic Touch since it was released. Just sold it a few days ago actually. Was a good phone but I had too many issues with Go launcher and Go SMS. Battery life sucked too. I much prefer my 4s

Fair enough. Different people prefer different things. You shouldn't assume that everybody has those issues though.

Safari used to force close on my iPad a lot. Instead of whining and telling everyone the iPad sucks I googled the issue and found that a restore usually helps. I did that and it's fine now. :)
 

MrMoore

macrumors 6502
Nov 2, 2006
395
23
Arlington Heights,IL
What would happen if you went to a Coca-Cola forum and said you prefer Pepsi?
What would happen if you went to a Windows forum and said Ubuntu is better?
What would happen if you went to a Ford forum and said Toyota rules?

I think that is the reasoning for Android "hate" here. When you post a positive view regarding a competing product, a person might take it as you attacking their decision on choosing their product.

I like healthy discussion but for the most part it always dwindles down to the "Fanboy/Troll" accusations. Probably the reason I rarely get involved in these posts.

You like Android good for you. I like iOS. Whatever suits your needs. Why the aggression because someone did not make the same "enlighten" decision as you?


The Internet is filled with posts by young males.

Enough said.

That too... :D

Carry on!
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
What would happen if you went to a Coca-Cola forum and said you prefer Pepsi?
What would happen if you went to a Windows forum and said Ubuntu is better?
What would happen if you went to a Ford forum and said Toyota rules?

I think that is the reasoning for Android "hate" here. When you post a positive view regarding a competing product, a person might take it as you attacking their decision on choosing their product.

I like healthy discussion but for the most part it always dwindles down to the "Fanboy/Troll" accusations. Probably the reason I rarely get involved in these posts.

You like Android good for you. I like iOS. Whatever suits your needs. Why the aggression because someone did not make the same "enlighten" decision as you?




That too... :D

Carry on!

This x10

You like Android, fine, good for you. But to come into an IPHONE forum and start listing reasons why its superior to iPhone and iOS while bashing it and Apple is simply trolling. The same way someone here going into an Android forum and making posts about why we think the iPhone is superior to Android would be trolling. There was already a huge thread called "Switched to Android and loving it" all of this crap could have gone in.
 

AlphaVictor87

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2011
797
27
Saint Louis, MO
Why do people hate on android?

Apparently they have nothing better to do. They feel strongly about something and it is unacceptable to them that everyone else doesn't feel the same way. They label their opinions as nothing but facts and don't seem to understand that the beauty of multiple platforms is that they give choice to the consumer. This description fits the bill for those hating on iOS too.

Those are my observations and opinions. :)

Probably the best explanation.

I love my 4s, but i don't go around saying its the most amazing phone ever, yet i get bashed on at work for owning one by all of the Android users.

You can just tell the difference of when people like it because it does what they need it to (me), end of story no hate for any other type of OS, and people that need to hate on the other OS because they feel they have to justify why they have the phone that they have
 

takeshi74

macrumors 601
Feb 9, 2011
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Why do people hate on android
Why does it matter? People hate on all sorts of things. Understanding why won't really help IMO and there are a number of possible reasons. Just a few:

  • Bad experiences (and the faulty assumption that one's experiences indicate a larger trend)
  • Ignorance
  • Brand loyalty/fanboyism
  • Inability to separate opinion from fact
  • Inability to separate objective from subjective/self centeredness/tunnel vision ("What I want/need is what everyone wants/needs")
  • Inability to realize that all choices in life, including picking a smartphone, have pros and cons and that people differ in what pros and cons they're willing to deal with
  • Inability to realize that you can choose one option without hating the alternatives
  • Relying on products to determine one's own self worth
  • Us versus them mentality

Always consider the source. Filter them out as they're not contributing to the discussion no matter what the topic is. Typically such people don't supply the why behind their statements. If they do, they support an alleged "fact" or "objective" statement with their own personal preference. Learn to spot them based on how they write and present their arguments. Don't give in to the trolling. They're not unique to Android haters or even smartphone discussions for that matter.

Although ICS is a single OS, the sheer amount of hardware that can run it is where the fragmentation lies and is why games take much longer to make on Android vs iOS.
Fragmentation is frequently cited by forum users. Android developers seem to frequently cite the development tools for Android from what I've seen.

I think that is the reasoning for Android "hate" here. When you post a positive view regarding a competing product, a person might take it as you attacking their decision on choosing their product.
That's the reader's problem then. Person 1's liking option A and person 2's liking option B are unrelated. If you get upset because someone likes something that you don't like then you are the problem.

Now, on the other hand, if someone busts in and tells you that you chose the wrong thing and don't know what you're doing without any knowledge of your criteria or selection process, that's entirely different.
 
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matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
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32
Lincoln, England
This x10

You like Android, fine, good for you. But to come into an IPHONE forum and start listing reasons why its superior to iPhone and iOS while bashing it and Apple is simply trolling. The same way someone here going into an Android forum and making posts about why we think the iPhone is superior to Android would be trolling. There was already a huge thread called "Switched to Android and loving it" all of this crap could have gone in.

The funny thing is that not many people actually do that.

Most people who post about Android being great etc are posting in response to iDevice users putting Android down! You have people like me who own both iOS and Android devices, so I'm here and I see a lot of false information being thrown around about Android..course I'm going to respond.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
Why does it matter? People hate on all sorts of things. Understanding why won't really help IMO and there are a number of possible reasons. Just a few:

  • Bad experiences (and the faulty assumption that one's experiences indicate a larger trend)
  • Ignorance
  • Brand loyalty/fanboyism
  • Inability to separate opinion from fact
  • Inability to separate objective from subjective/self centeredness/tunnel vision ("What I want/need is what everyone wants/needs")
  • Inability to realize that all choices in life, including picking a smartphone, have pros and cons and that people differ in what pros and cons they're willing to deal with
  • Inability to realize that you can choose one option without hating the alternatives
  • Relying on products to determine one's own self worth
  • Us versus them mentality

For someone who doesn't seem to think it matters, you sure did produce a pretty detailed list there. :)
 

wlfpck

macrumors newbie
Sep 28, 2009
7
0
I have used several iPhones as well as Android phones. I think it really boils down to several things that people have already mentioned.

- Android users (who used a mid or low end device) and then upgraded to an iPhone will cry about how iOS is so much better even though they never used a high end android device comparable to that of the iPhone. They assume that the low end android experience is the same as the high end experience.

- A person bought a device and sees the cool new features of a device using another os and feel inferior. They then feel the need to justify their choice in device to make them feel better.

- People think that they are an expert with an IQ of 30000 and therefore, their opinions are the only conceivable thoguht that is correct. Anything that does not agree with their ideas is false and the other person is a moron.

- They have nothing better to do.

- The next world war is going to be fought over operating systems.


I have an iPhone along with low end and high end android devices. I enjoy both Android and iOS and would love to give windows phone 7 a try. It's all a matter of what you want to do and what features you need. At least in my opinion anyways...
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Here are two great articles that sum up why many hate Android. Believe it or not, most the hate comes for former users like this guy and not from Apple fanboys as many think.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/im-sick-to-death-of-android/20242?tag=mantle_skin;content

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/go...from-the-oems/20246?tag=content;siu-container

The first link he praises android for its openness. The next he wants google to take it back.

All he's on about are updates. Valid argument but hes just looking for the highest version number. Hardly any mention of what he needed the update for.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Why do people hate on iOS?

Same reasons listed above for android.

If someone says that their experience with android wasn't good or even never tried it but has had great luck with ios. Then by all means tell everyone how you feel when someone comes looking for advise.

But I think neither android or iPhone/iOS forums need topics simply started to start a heated argument. All it does is starts a pissing match.

I'm a member of xoomforums and they have a VS section. Although I think they only have one thread talking about iPads (mostly other Android tablets) its surprisingly civil. I don't know if that would work here or not.
 

b166er

macrumors 68020
Apr 17, 2010
2,062
18
Philly
I think Android is ok. In m opinion it depends on the hardware. As others have said the Galaxy SII is pretty awesome. I played with one for a while and I really liked it. Half my friends are on Android, the other half on iOS. I'm on iOS and have been since the 3G days.

I prefer iOS because I prefer mac to windows and everything integrates very well. I also have a lot of money invested in the app store, so unless iOS started to really go downhill and Android had some vastly superior feature that I just had to have, I wouldn't switch any time soon.

I don't hate android at all, I just think the benefits of iOS outweigh the benefits of Android for ME.
 
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