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IJ Reilly

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Jul 16, 2002
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it clearly says almost as bad

Whatever that means. All corporations try to control as much of the market for their products as they possibly can. Problems with this arise only when one company controls too much of a market, which Microsoft clearly does and has for decades, and Apple never has and quite probably never will.
 

Melrose

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Dec 12, 2007
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Hope not. Apple is almost as bad, as MS. Think of closed-source, the iPhone apps-store, the power to control everything.

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "I think Apple is almost as bad as MS" - given that it is based purely on experience. I just could as easily say that M$ is much, much worse but it would not necessarily be true outside of my own experience with their products (which has been pretty bad).

In which case this would just dissolve into another You-hate-I-hate-whoever's-products argument, with no winner.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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You can never forget this fact--most software and hardware purchases are not made by private citizens. They are made by businesses. Big businesses employ people who make these kinds of purchases. They buy the hardware and software that will keep them employed. There are many reports of businesses--both governments and private--converting from Macs to Windows. Virtually every one of these reports included the fact that the business hired a much larger staff to support its new Windows computers. Small businesses rely on salespeople to perform the duties of dedicated staff.

There is so much BS in that. IT departments do not buy software to keep them employed. Sorry that is not the case. IT departments are already horribly over worked and under staff because companies see them as nothing more than overhead.

The real reason they buy everything from Microsoft is SINGLE SOURCE responsibility. It makes their job easier. When something goes wrong they can call up Microsoft and have them fix it. There is no finger pointing involved because it single source.

Also most of the work IT staff do or jobs to do does not involve the OS. Going all apple would not reduce the overhead cost of IT since most if it is largely unaffected by maintain the system. The IT people on these boards will tell you that largely they do not have problems running the Windows based server.
 

EmperorDarius

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Jan 2, 2009
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Yah, I don't understand this either. Why don't people pay 3 times more to Apple and ditch PC/Microsoft. People are just stupid I think. Everyone must have been brainwashed and forced to use Windows even though there's the best operating system that was ever made (and will ever be) OS X? It just works! Though usually with the limited set of hardware and software it's tightly integrated to of course.

The world would be a better place if all of us were using Mac OS.

If Apple would be as popular as Microsoft it's products probably wouldn't cost so much. And it probably wouldn't have so much limited hardware also.
And OS X IS better than Windows...for a lot of people.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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There are so many supporting examples as to make this statement laughable.

and your post is full of so much ignorance and lack of understanding of the IT world...... Multiple people here who do work in IT will agree with me.
 

elppa

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Nov 26, 2003
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PS3 and Macs are good but your software selection is too limited so people go for the microsoft stuff.

I'd say for gaming certainly Windows has a big lead.

But for everything else the Macintosh has an incredibly rich software selection and I believe gives away very little to Windows now. This despite Apple doing a massive platform transition at the beginning of the decade.

Only in a few specific areas (CAD for example) will you not be able to find a Macintosh equivalent that is equal or in many cases better to its Windows counterpart.

Then there's the Mac exclusive apps. Who are the Windows equivalent of independent Mac developers like Panic, Omni, Delicious Monster, BareBones etc. Independent companies who craft very high quality piece of software with terrific fit and finish for home/personal use. Most of them use Apple's development tools, most of the good ones make use of the Cocoa frameworks.

These developers are a huge asset to the platform. If you count up numbers Windows has more apps. If you measure quality, then Windows starts looking a little less compelling.
 

DJ567

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Mar 10, 2006
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people buy windows because its cheap -> its cheap because m$ have such a large market share -> m$ have such a large market share because years ago they flooded it with a cheap OS that would work on most hardware

if os x was available on all hardware it would probably sell more, but it would be a lot less stable, and probably a lot more like windows, after all that is all anyone thinks about when you say microsoft. despite the fact they make some decent software and hardware too
 

63dot

macrumors 603
Jun 12, 2006
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norcal
I am surprised by how many people still buy products from Microsoft. They make bad software and even worse hardware. Don't get me started on Windows. Their hardware is a joke. Xbox 360 RROD anyone? Zune leap year debacle anyone? PS3 and iPods are far superior.

So why do the consumers still keep going back to MS after being constantly burnt by them again and again. When will people learn never to buy MS?

I was just discussing this with a chef earlier today. It's not much different than how Subway got a hold in New York City, then the rest of the country. It's all about getting a strong foothold early. McDonald's has their foothold even though every fast food joint, big and small, are better imho.

Our culture has become addicted to the use of Windows, Office, and X-Box, and besides the last one mentioned, MS is just mediocre at best.
 

AppleMacTheBest

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Our culture has become addicted to the use of Windows, Office, and X-Box, and besides the last one mentioned, MS is just mediocre at best.

I disagree on the last point. Xbox is mediocre at best as well. Just because more people use it doesn't mean it's any good. Same situation as Windows, MS is just buying everyone out and forcing competitors out.
 

63dot

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Jun 12, 2006
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norcal
I disagree on the last point. Xbox is mediocre at best as well. Just because more people use it doesn't mean it's any good. Same situation as Windows, MS is just buying everyone out and forcing competitors out.

OK, then. Let's call X-Box mediocre, or just below mediocre.

But then I would call Microsoft Office and Windows just plain shabby. :)
 

TSE

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Jun 25, 2007
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Windows is not a bad OS. Mac OS X is not a bad OS. There is no such thing as a bad or good OS. Period. I know people that still use Windows ME just because they want to be rebels, even though it doesn't make sense. I know people that use OS 9 as full time OS because they don't want to get used to Mac OS X.

Vista = Mac OS X = Ubuntu = Solaris = XP = Mac OS = Windows 2000.

Now, depending on the user's needs, these can change, but honestly there is no debating whose opinion is right.
 

IJ Reilly

macrumors P6
Jul 16, 2002
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Palookaville
I was just discussing this with a chef earlier today. It's not much different than how Subway got a hold in New York City, then the rest of the country. It's all about getting a strong foothold early. McDonald's has their foothold even though every fast food joint, big and small, are better imho.

I think it's way different, completely different than the way any company has ever obtained such a huge share of any market -- a bizarre historical accident that will never be duplicated.
 

bruinsrme

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Oct 26, 2008
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I have 5 operational xbox360s through out the house. One died on me due to an overheat issue. My fault as I placed it above a pioneer 49txi which runs rather warm.
MS Server with 7 PCs (6 XPpro 1 Vista) and 5 360's and a PS3 networked. No problems with viruses, worms or BSODs on any of the PC's. 360s have served us well.

Any PC crashes seem to be HDD or RAM related not windows. Unless widows causes hard drive failures

I personally buy MS products because they work for me at a decent price point.
 

Les Kern

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Apr 26, 2002
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Alabama
600+ MB for a word processor?
That makes files with an "x" on the end that most people can't open "forcing" more people to buy it?
Then, out of the goodness of their heart, they make a translator... that only opens Word docs and not Excel?
Seven versions of an OS? Why? More dough out of the idiot CEO's who sign the purchase order?

It all starts with one question that few are willing to ask.

While MS does make some nice products, it's about time ordinary people realize how they are being played. Cash must be the MS God, because it isn't the users.
 

bruinsrme

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Oct 26, 2008
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600+ MB for a word processor?
That makes files with an "x" on the end that most people can't open "forcing" more people to buy it?
Then, out of the goodness of their heart, they make a translator... that only opens Word docs and not Excel?
Seven versions of an OS? Why? More dough out of the idiot CEO's who sign the purchase order?

It all starts with one question that few are willing to ask.

While MS does make some nice products, it's about time ordinary people realize how they are being played. Cash must be the MS God, because it isn't the users.

thats funny
 

DiamondMac

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2006
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I disagree on the last point. Xbox is mediocre at best as well. Just because more people use it doesn't mean it's any good. Same situation as Windows, MS is just buying everyone out and forcing competitors out.
I am a big PS3 man and very big Apple buyer

But the 360 is an excellent gaming machine

Their games, sales, and Live are all top-notch whether people want to admit it or not
 

AppleMacTheBest

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Feb 7, 2009
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I am a big PS3 man and very big Apple buyer

But the 360 is an excellent gaming machine

Their games, sales, and Live are all top-notch whether people want to admit it or not

That's like saying Windows is an excellent OS because of the software available, sales and online support. I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.
 

MisterMe

macrumors G4
Jul 17, 2002
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USA
... There is no such thing as a bad or good OS. Period. I know people that still use Windows ME just because they want to be rebels, even though it doesn't make sense. ...
You contradict yourself. If Windows Me is not a bad OS, then why does it may no sense to use it?
 

AppleMacTheBest

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Feb 7, 2009
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No, it is nothing like what I was saying

Well, everything you said about the Xbox applies to Windows, but that doesn't make Windows an excellent OS just like how it doesn't mean Xbox is an excellent gaming machine.

I don't understand why people are giving their money away to Microsoft when there are equal or better alternatives out in the market. Each and every one of you who has a 360 here is guilty of financing Microsoft.
 
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