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Syrus28

macrumors 6502a
Feb 1, 2008
553
0
Peoria, AZ
Eh, my opinion on the PS3 is less than stellar. Being a blu-ray player, which was supposed to be it's greatest strength, turned out to be it's worst problem. At $400, the PS3 just doesn't cut it compared to the 360...

However, software is what sells systems and is what ultimately dictates the success of a console (except for the gimmicky Wii, but I'll leave that for another discussion). Sony's selection/sales of games is less than stellar. What Sony need's is a serious system seller, which it is seriously lacking. Supporters of the PS3 likened Resistance to GoW (FAIL) while Little Big Planet, MGS4, Uncharted were all called system sellers leading up to their debut, yet none of them have shown that they earned the title. Halo 3 alone sold nearly as much as all 4 of those combined.

Contrastly, the Xbox 360's lineup is stellar and shows that Microsoft is willing to loosen up the wallet to keep it that way. It's software attachment rate is a record setting 8.1, more than the PS3 and Wii combined
 

0098386

Suspended
Jan 18, 2005
21,574
2,908
Just as I'm never going to buy an Apple wireless router, desktop or mouse - I'm also not going to buy a lot of MS products.

MS make very good mice. For all its initial (and continuing) faults XP is a really stable and very compatible OS. The 360 is also (IMO) the best gaming system with some brilliant online connectivity. They also make a very good quality controller - I swear it's the first PC controller that I've used for more than a few weeks.

I'm still not sold on the PS3. I know it has a rabid group of fans, just like anything else, but it just doesn't have as many good quality games as the 360 (or what they're both trying to emulate= the PC). And to top it all off it costs a hell of a lot for a lot of tech which I don't want.
 

pimentoLoaf

macrumors 68010
Dec 30, 2001
2,003
32
The SimCity Deli
I am writing these words on a Microsoft keyboard and using a Microsoft mouse to click around. Both are solid products. The keyboard feels like a keyboard should, with good travel and sculpted keys. The mouse fits comfortably in my hand and has a smooth-rolling mouse wheel and a small extra button which is programmed (by me) to return to the previous browser page.

Apple's chiclet keyboard is very hard on the fingers due to a short travel before they hit bottom. Apple's rollerball mouse clogs too easily with dust due to it's small size.

Microsoft is making products that have to work over the long haul for the very demanding business market. Apple ... doesn't.
 

Namnorkimo

macrumors member
Oct 11, 2008
36
0
"Why Do People Still Buy Microsoft?"

They do that for the same reason as in the early 90´s when Atari and Commdore made the better computers and OS:

"because nearly everyone has one"
"because I want to rework my documents at home"
"there will be a reason for why so many people use it"
"you can do so much more things with it"
...

Most of the people who told me that were not able to describe why they think so: They only told me things they have heard from others - never asking if that´s right or wrong, only believing it without any question.
 

opeter

macrumors 68030
Aug 5, 2007
2,709
1,619
Slovenia
OK, some aspects, why people still buy Microsoft's Windows OS:

1.) the most applications are made for Windows OS

2.) big companys, governments are using almost exclusive Windows OS as their main desktop OS

3.) localization of the Windows OS (the funny is, Linux is localized in ever more languages, yet it doesn't reach the 1 % desktop market share)

4.) many localized applicaitons for Windows OS

5.) solid legacy hardware and software support (aka the Serial/Com port), the whole engineering/mechanical etc. industry is still using these ports

6.) games (this is also one of the main reasonssince the Games market is constantly growing from year to year)

7.) many commercial software packages made exclusivelly for Windows desktop
 

acurafan

macrumors 6502a
Sep 16, 2008
615
0
when Apple builds a solid core of backend Enterprise products to go along with their desktops, then i'll stop buying from Microsoft.
 

Sesshi

macrumors G3
Jun 3, 2006
8,113
1
One Nation Under Gordon
I am surprised by how many people still buy products from Microsoft. They make bad software and even worse hardware. Don't get me started on Windows. Their hardware is a joke. Xbox 360 RROD anyone? Zune leap year debacle anyone? PS3 and iPods are far superior.

So why do the consumers still keep going back to MS after being constantly burnt by them again and again. When will people learn never to buy MS?

Because they're not spotty teenage wannabe graphic designers?
 

AppleMacTheBest

macrumors member
Original poster
Feb 7, 2009
55
0
Who's getting burned? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Microsoft software.
I freely bought a new laptop last July that was running Vista. I didn't get burned.

The people that bought the Xbox360 and had RROD's sure got burned. And yet they keep going back to MS. It's like they never learn from their past mistakes. They should just buy the much superior PS3.

I always tell people to never buy MS. Hardware or Software.

Eh, my opinion on the PS3 is less than stellar. Being a blu-ray player, which was supposed to be it's greatest strength, turned out to be it's worst problem. At $400, the PS3 just doesn't cut it compared to the 360...

However, software is what sells systems and is what ultimately dictates the success of a console (except for the gimmicky Wii, but I'll leave that for another discussion). Sony's selection/sales of games is less than stellar. What Sony need's is a serious system seller, which it is seriously lacking. Supporters of the PS3 likened Resistance to GoW (FAIL) while Little Big Planet, MGS4, Uncharted were all called system sellers leading up to their debut, yet none of them have shown that they earned the title. Halo 3 alone sold nearly as much as all 4 of those combined.

Contrastly, the Xbox 360's lineup is stellar and shows that Microsoft is willing to loosen up the wallet to keep it that way. It's software attachment rate is a record setting 8.1, more than the PS3 and Wii combined

PS3 vs Xbox 360 can be compared to Mac vs PC. Just because PCs sell more and have more software available doesn't mean they are better.

PS3s like Macs cost more but it has far better hardware and design. It has better software too. Remember like in the Macs case, it's quality vs quantity.

I am surprised people here even bother to defend Microsoft.
 

chewietobbacca

macrumors 6502
Jun 18, 2007
428
0
The people that bought the Xbox360 and had RROD's sure got burned. And yet they keep going back to MS. It's like they never learn from their past mistakes. They should just buy the much superior PS3.

I always tell people to never buy MS. Hardware or Software.



PS3 vs Xbox 360 can be compared to Mac vs PC. Just because PCs sell more and have more software available doesn't mean they are better.

PS3s like Macs cost more but it has far better hardware and design. It has better software too. Remember like in the Macs case, it's quality vs quantity.

I am surprised people here even bother to defend Microsoft.

You're just now trolling. If you can't stand other people's opinions, then maybe you shouldn't be on a message board asking why other people use and maybe even like those products. Do you care what other people drive for their cars too?

And MS did the right thing and extended warranties on the RROD's - and guess what, I haven't heard of anyone get refused within the time period for a RROD, which has largely decreased with the right fixes out there (which was also mostly a hardware issue, which isn't necessarily 100% MS's fault to begin with)
 

chagla

macrumors 6502a
Mar 21, 2008
797
1,727
I am surprised by how many people still buy products from Microsoft. They make bad software and even worse hardware. Don't get me started on Windows. Their hardware is a joke. Xbox 360 RROD anyone? Zune leap year debacle anyone? PS3 and iPods are far superior.

So why do the consumers still keep going back to MS after being constantly burnt by them again and again. When will people learn never to buy MS?

The people that bought the Xbox360 and had RROD's sure got burned. And yet they keep going back to MS. It's like they never learn from their past mistakes. They should just buy the much superior PS3.

I always tell people to never buy MS. Hardware or Software.



PS3 vs Xbox 360 can be compared to Mac vs PC. Just because PCs sell more and have more software available doesn't mean they are better.

PS3s like Macs cost more but it has far better hardware and design. It has better software too. Remember like in the Macs case, it's quality vs quantity.

I am surprised people here even bother to defend Microsoft.
You are easily surprised, seems like.
 

mothy

macrumors newbie
Jun 4, 2008
5
0
I am writing these words on a Microsoft keyboard and using a Microsoft mouse to click around. Both are solid products. The keyboard feels like a keyboard should, with good travel and sculpted keys. The mouse fits comfortably in my hand and has a smooth-rolling mouse wheel and a small extra button which is programmed (by me) to return to the previous browser page.

I agree with your statement regarding the quality of the Microsoft mouse, I have never used a Microsoft keyboard. I predominately use an IBM Model M keyboard.

I remember reading a review of the first Microsoft Mouse (yes...I am that old), the reviewer said something like this.

"IBM should be grateful that this is the only hardware Microsoft produce"
 

226896

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Sep 13, 2008
204
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I am surprised by how many people still buy products from Microsoft. They make bad software and even worse hardware. Don't get me started on Windows. Their hardware is a joke. Xbox 360 RROD anyone? Zune leap year debacle anyone? PS3 and iPods are far superior.

So why do the consumers still keep going back to MS after being constantly burnt by them again and again. When will people learn never to buy MS?

As if Apple hasn't had their fair share of problems too... MobileMe launch anyone? Trackpad issues anyone? Macbook casing cracks anyone? You just sound like a fanboy.
 

AppleMacTheBest

macrumors member
Original poster
Feb 7, 2009
55
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As if Apple hasn't had their fair share of problems too... MobileMe launch anyone? Trackpad issues anyone? Macbook casing cracks anyone? You just sound like a fanboy.

Asking why people keep buying inferior products when there are superior alternatives on the market doesn't make one a fanboy.

PC -> Mac
Xbox -> PS3
Zune -> iPod
Windows Mobile -> iPhone
 

Winni

macrumors 68040
Oct 15, 2008
3,207
1,196
Germany.
I am surprised by how many people still buy products from Microsoft. They make bad software and even worse hardware. Don't get me started on Windows. Their hardware is a joke. Xbox 360 RROD anyone? Zune leap year debacle anyone? PS3 and iPods are far superior.

So why do the consumers still keep going back to MS after being constantly burnt by them again and again. When will people learn never to buy MS?

People buy Microsoft because Microsoft sells the ONE AND ONLY platform that allows you to run every available software solution on it. Especially when you also use it for business purposes. That is a simple fact and usually already ends the discussion.

Why should I not get you started on Windows? In my experience, Windows performs faster and more reliable than OS X - both on the desktop AND on the server. OS X has better usability and I prefer it as my working horse because of that, but usually everything is slower than on Windows and it also has more glitches than Windows. But I am also a fan of beautiful designs, and Apple has the better graphics designers on its payroll. I also find software written for OS X easier to use and better thought out than comparable Windows counterparts, but it all comes at a higher price and usually with more restrictions.

Xbox 360: I have one and never had a single issue with it. Microsoft has an extremely generous warranty/guarantee policy, so if your Xbox fails, they will simply and without questioning give you a new one. Try that with failing Apple hardware.

The Xbox 360 also has the MUCH better hardware specifications for games. She comes with three very fast CPU cores while the PS3 comes with 9 slow cores. Games usually do NOT take advantage of multiple cores, and the result is very obviously visible when the very same game is available for both consoles: The Xbox version ALWAYS looks better. And is also more stable.

Zune: It's not available in Europe and even if it was, I wouldn't care. I have an iPod Touch and in my opinion it was the biggest waste of money. It's a shut down device that's basically good for nothing, and it's not even fun to use. The joys of using the multi-touch interface are short-lived, and when you begin to actually want to use the gadget for something, you'll quickly find out that there is nothing of any value available for it. You have to jailbreak the device to install useful software for it. Therefor: A waste of money.

Burning their customers: I bought my iPod in January 2008 and already had to pay for the January 2008 software update which was released not even a week after I had bought the iPod. Then I also had to pay for the 2.0 firmware update later that year. Now THAT is being burned by a company.

I did not have to pay for any Xbox 360 firmware updates in the same time frame, and there were quite a few, including one really big one. Guess to which company I am more sympathetic. Hint: It's not Apple.

Then Microsoft also offers full software development kits WITHOUT NDA for their gadgets free of charge. I can use C# - which, unlike Apple's Objective-C, is a widely accepted programming language - and XNA to write apps for Windows, the Xbox 360 AND the Zune. (And when I buy the third party product Unity3D, I can even use C# to program games for OS X and the iPhone/iPod Touch. The SAME programming language for ALL platforms.) And I can also leverage my C# knowledge to write software for Linux (hello Mono) or to develop that huge eCommerce website. Now THAT is an offer that is hard to refuse. And before you say it: I could not use Java for all of these platforms; there's no Java for the Xbox, the Zune, or the iPod Touch/iPhone.

So what was your question again? Why people still buy Microsoft? Because they sell useful PLATFORMS (and not just gadgets).

It's a good thing that this isn't a black and white world. 64-Bit Vista runs great on my Mac Pro, both "in Boot Camp" and in VMWare Fusion, and my Xbox 360 also communicates perfectly well with OS X Leopard.

It's not an either-or choice. Don't restrict yourself. Simply use both and take full advantage of their combined power.
 

IJ Reilly

macrumors P6
Jul 16, 2002
17,909
1,496
Palookaville
People buy Microsoft because Microsoft sells the ONE AND ONLY platform that allows you to run every available software solution on it. Especially when you also use it for business purposes. That is a simple fact and usually already ends the discussion.

Well there you go. End of discussion.
 

AppleMacTheBest

macrumors member
Original poster
Feb 7, 2009
55
0
I disagree. PS3 has much better hardware and most of the comparisons I've seen, the graphics are better on PS3 games.

I really feel like Apple users should avoid buying a Microsoft product like the Xbox. By doing so, you are doing your bit to create another Microsoft monopoly. Do you really want Microsoft to have a monopoly on both desktops and games consoles?

Don't say I didn't warn you when that happens. Right now MS is doing well due to spending lots on marketing and buying out developers. In many years time, it will be a Mac vs PC situation where inferior hardware and software dominates the market.
 

zap2

macrumors 604
Mar 8, 2005
7,252
8
Washington D.C
I disagree. PS3 has much better hardware and most of the comparisons I've seen, the graphics are better on PS3 games.

Well the CPU on the PS3 is better, the GPU on Xbox is better. Graphics tend to be about even according to gaming sites(and I'd agree) both have great looking games


I really feel like Apple users should avoid buying a Microsoft product like the Xbox. By doing so, you are going to create another monopoly.

Doubt it. Sony and Nintendo aren't ever going to let MS have 90% of the market. The gaming market and home computer market are very different. I'm fine with buying an MS console
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
It's not an either-or choice. Don't restrict yourself. Simply use both and take full advantage of their combined power.
This is where I like to fall in.

I've grown rather fond of Windows Media Center and Windows Live Sync. Not to mention all of my games and a fully compatible Office.
 

AppleMacTheBest

macrumors member
Original poster
Feb 7, 2009
55
0
Doubt it. Sony and Nintendo aren't ever going to let MS have 90% of the market. The gaming market and home computer market are very different. I'm fine with buying an MS console

Sony is in deep financial trouble and knowing MS they will take every opportunity to buy out developers and use illegal anti-competitive measures to gain market share and keep others from the market.

Don't trust Microsoft.

What is this, some kind of fanboy war where we place sanctions on the "enemy" company?

I wouldn't call it a fanboy war. It's just most Mac users keep whining about MS (fair enough) but don't actually do anything about it. If you want to hurt MS, hit them where it counts. Don't buy their products.

I for one am not buying anything MS, because first of all there is nothing worth buying. Their software and hardware is a joke. And secondly, if I did buy something, I would be financially supporting a monopoly.
 

sn00pie

macrumors 6502a
Jun 25, 2008
593
0
United States
As far as consoles go, the PS3 is a superior product in terms with the X360. The multimedia capabilities of the PS3 are endless and its easily the best component in my home theatre.

Not to mention there are some absolutely stunning games on the console. (KZ2, GT5:p, MGS4)
 

AppleMacTheBest

macrumors member
Original poster
Feb 7, 2009
55
0
As far as consoles go, the PS3 is a superior product in terms with the X360. The multimedia capabilities of the PS3 are endless and its easily the best component in my home theatre.

Not to mention there are some absolutely stunning games on the console. (KZ2, GT5:p, MGS4)

Finally a sane mac user with values! PS3 might be more expensive, but it has better hardware and better features. The premium is well worth it. Congrats for not buying into the MS marketing.
 
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