iPad Pro Why do people think there will be a 2021 iPad Pro?

[RevTEG]

You are in a very small minority. Most people do not buy new as its very overpriced. You can wait a year and get it much cheaper. This is the perfect time to sell, but again, very few are in the market for super expensive tablets. Your average buyer will look at a $1K+ iPad Pro and a MacBook Air or Pro for the same price or cheaper, an almost every one will take the laptop. Especially an M1 equipped MacBook. They will get a cheap iPad for $300 if they want a tablet. There are no $300 MacBooks.

The minority might not be as small as you think, or else you would have already sold yours. I’d pay the extra $250 just to know someone didn‘t use it whole setting on the toilet. Besides, the tax write offs are way better on new. The warranties are better on new. I know how hard I can be on devises. It’s like the car business, if you price it to close to new people will spend the little extra and get a new model. Thats just life With most all products.

And.. Anyone looking to buy a 12.9 are not looking nor expecting to buy the cheapest $300 iPad.

 

[Robbosan]

I’ve had my 2020 12.9 Pro up for sale for $900 3 weeks now and barely a sniff.

Re sale on the pro's are not good, you will have to drop another $200.

 

[Digitalguy]

nonsense.

more people buy new because

1. the only way second-hand devices get onto the market are from people who bought new originally
2. some of those devices purchased new die before they are re-sold
3. some of those devices purchased new are never re-sold even if they live (like everything apple I bought)

ergo - there are more new device sales than used. Unless you mean "most people" within your peer group. But that isn't "most people".

The fact that many buy used does not mean they are a majority. Nobody has exact data on the used market, so anyone saying the majority or minority either way is not backed by any data. And even the reasoning above is in part flawed.
You only buy new once, while used products can be bought and sold several times. So while the number of new devices is higher the number of used device sales could technically be higher.
Personally I don't think it is, but nobody has data to back this.
As I said earlier, it's not just used devices, there are quite a few sales of devices that are far from normal price, like Apple refurbished devices (which have some warranty), "end of life" sales (where companies liquidate stock of new devices since a new generation is coming or since the product is being discontinued), floor models that have been touched for months or years but are sold with warranties. Or simply big sales like Black Friday etc. These plus the used market might outnumber devices sold at full price, but again nobody has statistics to say for sure...

 

[throAU]

The only way machines enter the used market is via original purchase.

Refurbs are used.

 

[Digitalguy]

The only way machines enter the used market is via original purchase.

Refurbs are used.

Apple refurbs are in category of their own, since the battery, the case and the glass are new and they are sold with a warranty. In some ways they are "newer" than floor models. Anyway you didn't even read what I wrote or did not want to understand why your reasoning is partially flawed (and at the same time DexBell's claims are groundless and probably wrong).

 

[DexBell]

Re sale on the pro's are not good, you will have to drop another $200.

well that should scare some off of buying one new then. I’m not giving away a like new 2020 12.9 Pro for $700 lol

 

[throAU]

Refurbs are used.

Apple refurbs are in category of their own, since the battery, the case and the glass are new and they are sold with a warranty. In some ways they are "newer" than floor models. Anyway you didn't even read what I wrote or did not want to understand why your reasoning is partially flawed (and at the same time DexBell's claims are groundless and probably wrong).

Nah, I read your post. You're just incorrect.

 

[spiderman0616]

Where does he say they are coming in March? I must have missed that...

and Apple doesn't care what chip is in the Pro. If they did, they would have put a 13 or 14 in last years models.

Not trying to start an argument, but this is an absurd statement. Why would Apple spend a decade perfecting their in-house chip design and spend all that money and effort on R&D and then not care what chip is in their fanciest iPad model? Their very method of product development does not allow for not caring about each and every component inside the device. And they're not going to avoid releasing their best tech to avoid hurting the feelings of people that just upgraded recently. They're going to release it when it's ready and makes sense, and right now it makes a good deal of sense for the iPad Pro. The A12z is still a blazing fast SoC and is still way overkill for even some of the most power hungry iPad apps. But from a marketing standpoint, it would be a mistake not to update it ASAP.

When I look at the tea leaves that I believe Apple has been laying out for us over the last two years, it's impossible for me not to come to the conclusion that we are at the very beginning stages of Apple completely disrupting their own product lineup. iPad Pro/Air now have full blown keyboard and mouse support with official Apple accessories, and their design makes them look more or less like the screen half of a MacBook. macOS Big Sur has the capability of running iOS apps, and its UI is clearly being prepped for more iPad Pro/Air style screen hardware in the future.

I could go on and on with examples. What I'm getting at is that Apple can deny deny deny, but I believe they are clearly moving things toward a new kind of product. I could be completely wrong on that, but even if I'm only half right, that makes the notion that they don't care what processor is in the iPad Pro even more ridiculous to me.

The M1 Mac running iPad apps (crappy experience as it can be for the time being) I believe is a clue that there is more to all this change than a new chip architecture. This has implications for both the Mac and iPad. If I were a more dramatic person, I might even say that both are doomed.

 

[DexBell]

The A12z is still a blazing fast SoC and is still way overkill for even some of the most power hungry iPad apps.

Exactly, and Apple has zero competition in the ultra expensive tablet market. No one else is making ridiculously priced $1,200 tablets because no one wants them and will buy a laptop for half the price. Apple has no reason to update the iPad Pro after only one year when its been on a two year cycle. Same way they can go 4 years without updating the iPad mini and not miss a beat, no competition.

 

[chrfr]

Apple has no reason to update the iPad Pro after only one year when its been on a two year cycle.

iPad Pros were released in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2020. The 2 year gap between the 2018 and 2020 is clearly an exception to the pattern.

 

[spiderman0616]

Exactly, and Apple has zero competition in the ultra expensive tablet market. No one else is making ridiculously priced $1,200 tablets because no one wants them and will buy a laptop for half the price. Apple has no reason to update the iPad Pro after only one year when its been on a two year cycle. Same way they can go 4 years without updating the iPad mini and not miss a beat, no competition.

You kind of cherry picked that sentence though, right? 😉

 

[ofarlig]

Exactly, and Apple has zero competition in the ultra expensive tablet market. No one else is making ridiculously priced $1,200 tablets because no one wants them and will buy a laptop for half the price. Apple has no reason to update the iPad Pro after only one year when its been on a two year cycle. Same way they can go 4 years without updating the iPad mini and not miss a beat, no competition.

They want people to upgrade? Releasing new products with better specs after a year will get people to upgrade, especially if they throw in Mini-LED which has been rumoured.

 

[DexBell]

iPad Pros were released in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2020. The 2 year gap between the 2018 and 2020 is clearly an exception to the pattern.

Nope. The 12.9 iPad Pro is every two years with back to back in 2017 and 2018 being the only exception. Its gone 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2020. The only reason the smaller iPad Pro got more updates was they couldn't decide what size they wanted to make it. It went from 9.7 in 2016, to 10.5 in 2017 and then when they finally decided on 11 inches in 2018, it didn't update again until 2020. There most likely won't be a 2021 iPad Pro release, will be 2022

 

[pdoherty]

How many times does it need to be reiterated that the 2020 Pro wasn’t an actual release? Just because they warmed-over the 2018 and called it new doesn’t mean it actually was. Lidar that no one uses and a barely-upgraded CPU does not a release cycle make.

 

[DexBell]

How many times does it need to be reiterated that the 2020 Pro wasn’t an actual release?

Addd features and a new processor is most definitely an "actual release". Are the S model iPhones not "actual releases"?

 

[Dave245]

Nope. The 12.9 iPad Pro is every two years with back to back in 2017 and 2018 being the only exception. Its gone 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2020. The only reason the smaller iPad Pro got more updates was they couldn't decide what size they wanted to make it. It went from 9.7 in 2016, to 10.5 in 2017 and then when they finally decided on 11 inches in 2018, it didn't update again until 2020. There most likely won't be a 2021 iPad Pro release, will be 2022

The 2020 iPad Pro update was suppose to happen in 2019, Jon Prosser has said this. Prosser has also confirmed along with Mark Gurman that there will be a 2021 iPad Pro.

 

[ofarlig]

Addd features and a new processor is most definitely an "actual release". Are the S model iPhones not "actual releases"?

Actually the A12Z didn't have a new processor compared to the A12X, it wasn't really even a new SoC but the CPU side was exactly the same. Even the GPU wasn't exactly new as it was the old one but it had an additional core enabled. Most likely the yield of SoCs with all 8 cores fully functional just went up enough for them to start adding that.

So basically the SoC in the iPad Pro that is sold right now is nearing 3 years old with just minor GPU tweaks since, which is exactly why it is high time for Apple to release something with an updated SoC.

 

[Jimpilot]

There most likely won't be a 2021 iPad Pro release, will be 2022

Guess we’ll know soon if you’re right or not. Of course If you’re wrong we get to point it out.

Personally I passed on the 2020 upgrade, extra cameras didn’t seem enough value added. My 11 inch is still doing pretty well, but now that 5G is available here, if a new 11 inch comes with an A14 processor and 5G, I’ll pull the trigger day 1

 

[MBAir2010]

Why does that Evan mean? How many times has app,e releases a product and then went back on it like two months later

perhaps for spell check improvements?

 

[DexBell]

perhaps for spell check improvements?

I didnt post that, no idea how it got in there. Someone else posted it.

 

[DexBell]

The 2020 iPad Pro update was suppose to happen in 2019, Jon Prosser has said this. Prosser has also confirmed along with Mark Gurman that there will be a 2021 iPad Pro.

They have also said Airtags were coming any day now for what? Two years now? these guys are clueless, guessing like everyone else. They don't even know if there is an Apple event in March and its Feb 28th lol.

 

[Dave245]

They have also said Airtags were coming any day now for what? Two years now? these guys are clueless, guessing like everyone else. They don't even know if there is an Apple event in March and its Feb 28th lol.

Wrong! Mark Gurman is very accurate, Jon Prosser also has a great record. No one is 100% but Prosser leaked the AirPods Max, renders for them and when they would be coming. He also leaked when the iPhone SE was coming last year, he gave the date and even the time it would drop.

Airtags were pulled at the last minute because of COVID, Prosser has even said they will be coming in March of 2021 (he updated it late last year).

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[AutomaticApple]

There most likely won't be a 2021 iPad Pro release

They have also said Airtags were coming any day now for what? Two years now? these guys are clueless, guessing like everyone else. They don't even know if there is an Apple event in March and its Feb 28th lol.

Holy cow! You are way too confident in your beliefs. What if an event actually does happen? What if we do see AirTags and a new iPad Pro at that event? You could seriously make yourself look like a fool. Surely you don't want to take that risk? If you do end up being wrong, I will be the first to call it.

Also, you signed up to a forum called "MacRumors" and are now complaining about how the rumors are by clueless leakers? How many times does this have to be said? Not all of it is nonsense. Jon Prosser and Mark Gurman are very reliable and credible leakers. Suggesting that they're completely "clueless" is definitely nonsense coming from your end. You are certainly not a reliable credible leaker yourself, thats for sure. You don't have any sort of proven track record, yet you're criticizing real leakers with proven track records? It doesn't make any sense...

Do I even need to share this? I shouldn't have to reiterate myself, but regardless...

Why do people think there will be a 2021 iPad Pro?

Except they aren't... https://appletrack.org/leaderboard/ What is your track record? Where are you on this list? ;)

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How many times does this have to be said?

 

[AutomaticApple]

I didnt post that, no idea how it got in there. Someone else posted it.

Wait, how does that make any sense? Please clarify. 🤔

 

[DexBell]

Wrong! Mark Gurman is very accurate, Jon Prosser also has a great record. No one is 100% but Prosser leaked the AirPods Max, renders for them and when they would be coming. He also leaked when the iPhone SE was coming last year, he gave the date and even the time it would drop.

Airtags were pulled at the last minute because of COVID, Prosser has even said they will be coming in March of 2021 (he updated it late last year).

Jon Prosser: Apple to Announce New 'iPhone SE' Today With Pricing Starting at $399

Apple's widely rumored successor to the iPhone SE will be announced at 8 a.m. Pacific Time aka 11 a.m. Eastern Time today, according to Jon...

www.macrumors.com

'AirPods Studio' renders based on leaked video surface | AppleInsider

Prolific leaker Jon Prosser has offered a look at what the "AirPods Studio" could look like, with 3D renders showing metal and leather casing with mesh ear pads.

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They dont leak anything. They basically confirm things we already know. Prosser "leaked" Apple announcing the SE on the same day it happened lol. Thats not a leak. A leak would be them telling us if there will be a March Apple event or not and if so, what day. Like now, not the day before it happens when we already knew that.