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JPack

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It’s probably best Apple don’t include a charger in reality as it means other companies get the sales. Companies like Anker and Belkin make much better quality USB-C chargers and cables than Apples notoriously poor quality versions.

It's a win-win only for Apple. They get to make the "sale" by including nothing while keeping their prices as before. Many consumers will add the essential Apple power adapter at checkout for convenience.

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The-Real-Deal82

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It's a win-win only for Apple. They get to make the "sale" by including nothing while keeping their prices as before. Many consumers will add the essential Apple power adapter at checkout for convenience.

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I don’t know anybody personally who has done that, especially with the convenience of Amazon where most will buy their case from anyway. Some will buy the Apple one sure, I very much doubt most though. My daughter’s iPad 10 had no charger so I bought an Anker one off Amazon at the same time, both arrived the same day. A lot of consumers don’t even buy their iPads directly from Apple either, like all their products that are available through Argos, Currys, John Lewis, Amazon etc.
 
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JPack

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I don’t know anybody personally who has done that, especially with the convenience of Amazon where most will buy their case from anyway. Some will buy the Apple one sure, I very much doubt most though. My daughter’s iPad 10 had no charger so I bought an Anker one off Amazon at the same time, both arrived the same day. A lot of consumers don’t even buy their iPads directly from Apple either, like all their products that are available through Argos, Currys, John Lewis, Amazon etc.

Even on Amazon, many people seem to choose Apple.

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The-Real-Deal82

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Even on Amazon, many people seem to choose Apple.

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Many but many also choose the other brands too. Anker sell several versions of the usb-c plugs and many of those have over 5k sold in the last month. Apple could easily add £10 to the retail price of the device and get every one of their users buying their chargers, but they are generously giving other companies sales too it seems.

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mrochester

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Many but many also choose the other brands too. Anker sell several versions of the usb-c plugs and many of those have over 5k sold in the last month. Apple could easily add £10 to the retail price of the device and get every one of their users buying their chargers, but they are generously giving other companies sales too it seems.

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It’s a competitive market for charging bricks and cables.
 

mrochester

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Yep and even more so now Apple and other OEM manufacturers do not supply its own chargers on purchase due to environmental pressure. Its definitely worked for iPhone up until usb-c due to older chargers being used.
And even with a USBC iPhone all you potentially need to do is buy a new cable rather than a new charging brick.
 

ric22

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It’s probably best Apple don’t include a charger in reality as it means other companies get the sales. Companies like Anker and Belkin make much better quality USB-C chargers and cables than Apples notoriously poor quality versions.
?Apple chargers are very reliable and safe? Their cables can be a bit feeble, though.
 

Richard8655

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No, it does not. That is a total misconception as the iPad does NOT come with a standard charger, it is a bigger more powerful one due to the much larger battery size, it's like getting your laptop and being expected to use your 4 year old iPhone charger to charge it up..... not many people have these bigger chargers, and let's not forget these are USB C so I think it's perfectly acceptable to expect a charger with a 2 grand tablet! It is pure price gouging of the consumer.

If Apple gave a damn about the environment it would stop using children to mine the rare earth materials their devices use in masse damaging the environment as they do the mining.
Reference that Apple uses children to mine rare earth materials?
 
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FeliApple

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Ridiculous. Like others have said, people haven’t accumulated enough of these chargers yet. I have one. The one that came with my Air 5. Everything else is USB-A. What about people who don’t upgrade too often? My family has about 4 of the USB-A iPad chargers (which is enough), and about 10 5w USB-A chargers (more than enough). But not USB-C.

I think this is too soon. Perhaps they could’ve waited a few years until people accumulated enough. As it stands, if I were to buy a USB-C device, I’d have to buy a charger. Not the case with USB-A by now.
 
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mrochester

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Ridiculous. Like others have said, people haven’t accumulated enough of these chargers yet. I have one. The one that came with my Air 5. Everything else is USB-A. What about people who don’t upgrade too often? My family has about 4 of the USB-A iPad chargers (which is enough), and about 10 5w USB-A chargers (more than enough). But not USB-C.

I think this is too soon. Perhaps they could’ve waited a few years until people accumulated enough. As it stands, if I were to buy a USB-C device, I’d have to buy a charger. Not the case with USB-A by now.
You can buy USB-A to USB-C cables and use all your USB-A chargers. You don’t need a charging brick with a USB-C connection just because the device has a USB-C port.
 

ric22

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You can buy USB-A to USB-C cables and use all your USB-A chargers. You don’t need a charging brick with a USB-C connection just because the device has a USB-C port.
Did you know that your USB-C devices will be looking for a USB-C PD handshake for anything above 5V/1A? Good luck keeping even a MacBook Air operating on that. (I did try this myself out of curiosity)

 

mrochester

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Did you know that your USB-C devices will be looking for a USB-C PD handshake for anything above 5V/1A? Good luck keeping even a MacBook Air operating on that. (I did try this myself out of curiosity)

Yes of course but a MacBook charger has never had a USB-A connector on it as far as I can remember. So you’ll either have one with a USB-C port already, or it’ll be hardwired, in which case you’d need a new one regardless.
 

ric22

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Yes of course but a MacBook charger has never had a USB-A connector on it as far as I can remember. So you’ll either have one with a USB-C port already, or it’ll be hardwired, in which case you’d need a new one regardless.
Does that bit of info assist the iPad Pro folks who will find their devices charging very very slowly, or the laptop people in two years time who will find those USB-A chargers useless?

I was responding to the information you gave someone else, making out like the USB-A ports they had were the solution to this problem.
 

mrochester

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Does that bit of info assist the iPad Pro folks who will find their devices charging very very slowly, or the laptop people in two years time who will find those USB-A chargers useless?

I was responding to the information you gave someone else, making out like the USB-A ports they had were the solution to this problem.
My point was that a USB-C charger is not required to recharge a USB-C device; older USB-A chargers will charge fine with the appropriate cable.

If you want faster charging or USB-C charging, at that point you can buy yourself an appropriate charger and keep using it for many years/decades to come.
 

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My point was that a USB-C charger is not required to recharge a USB-C device; older USB-A chargers will charge fine with the appropriate cable.
Go on then, explain how a MacBook Pro will "charge fine" with a USB-A charger??? 👀

It is not a recommended practice to charge a device with a charger that is waaaaay underpowered and cannot support the necessary wattage to power a device in use. Feel free to research this and let us know your findings, but please avoiding posting fallacies online that are bad practice.
 
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mrochester

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Go on then, explain how a MacBook Pro will "charge fine" with a USB-A charger??? 👀

It is not a recommended practice to charge a device with a charger that is waaaaay underpowered and cannot support the necessary wattage to power a device in use. Feel free to research this and let us know your findings, but please avoiding posting fallacies online that are bad practice.
I wouldn’t charge a MacBook Pro with a usb-a charger. I’d either use my existing usb-c laptop charger, or I’d buy one.

I would charge an iPhone or iPad with a usb-a charger though.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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If it wasn’t truly about the money, Apple could have offered a trade in scheme where their customers hand in old lightning cables and get a free USB-C cable. We’ve already paid for it and Apple get to control where the old cables go for a true environmentally friendly response to their marketing feel good message.

Totally absurd I know.
 
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mrochester

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If it wasn’t truly about the money, Apple could have offered a trade in scheme where their customers hand in old lightning cables and get a free USB-C cable. We’ve already paid for it and Apple get to control where the old cables go for a true environmentally friendly response to their marketing feel good message.

Totally absurd I know.
Yeah companies like Anker must be rubbing their hands with glee due to EU regulation as their sales must be skyrocketting.
 

chmania

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There are all kinds of chargers at home (most probably everyone has a few), and with USB-C charging is the norm, a charger is not needed to be sold with the new device. There are devices that can be charged wirelessly too. Anyway, we are supposed to leave this world safer for our children and grandchildren and their children, not dump yards full of dangerous stuff. Governments should, that is if they have the guts to, tell the companies to stop releasing a newer product every year, making the last year's product garbage. People's psyche says buy the new product, when the older one can last few more years, or people are pushed to think that way, against their own reasoning.

So, it is a good law telling the companies not to pack the chargers with a new electronic device. They could even force the companies not to pack the power cables too.
 
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