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Shirasaki

macrumors P6
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I don't doubt the idea of metal being a good one, I just think that for whatever reason the execution has been quite flawed.
Yeah, and even on most powerful A9 chip.
Heck, I can see stutters everywhere on Apple Store demo iPad Pro. Opening app, quitting app, switching between app, everywhere.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
But no. It stutters and lags as other phones. It is obvious. Landscape force touch menu lag is the most obvious one I have ever seen.
I just tried this out, no lag or stutter in landscape.
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Yeah, and even on most powerful A9 chip.
Heck, I can see stutters everywhere on Apple Store demo iPad Pro. Opening app, quitting app, switching between app, everywhere.
I don't know I was playing with them in the store recently and they were lag and stutter free.
 

Radon87000

macrumors 604
Nov 29, 2013
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I just tried this out, no lag or stutter in landscape.

You have enabled RM and RT on your phone and are calling your iPhone lag free.What a discovery :rolleyes:

Here is THE VERY OBVIOUS lag

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I think the real question is: Who honestly cares about something so insignificant?
I dunno.Maybe the folk who paid 700 bucks for 11GB storage to get a premium experience
 
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I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
You have enabled RM and RT on your phone and are calling your iPhone lag free.What a discovery :rolleyes:

Here is THE VERY OBVIOUS lag

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I dunno.Maybe the folk who paid 700 bucks for 11GB storage to get a premium experience
Not my phone, someone else's phone that has an issue. A backup and dfu will fix the issue. My phone is as smooth as a babies bottom.
 

stevemiller

macrumors 68020
Oct 27, 2008
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Clearly not since you somehow started commenting on me saying that I was assuming to be some authority on what bugs people and other similar things of that nature.

We are going way off topic debating each other's comprehension.

If it's a matter of terminology and "lag" is a bad word that leads to endless, pointless arguments, (which sums up 90% of all debate on this site, my own contributions included) is it going to fix things to change to the word 'stutter'? Are we just no longer allowed to talk about stuff that bugs us in the product if it's an accepted fact that the discussion leads nowhere? That seems unfairly biased against people whom it does frustrate. Anyway, I did try to offer a constructive alternative which was to send Apple feedback (which I myself did).

I'm standing firmly by my statement that you saying "are we back to the same old lag rehash..." is a derision of validity of complaining about the issues being raised here.
 

Armen

macrumors 604
Apr 30, 2013
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How is it low impact when one of the major complaints about Android/Touchwiz is the lag. Put an Apple logo on it and it is ok?

Did you even read what OP said before you replied? The Lag he is talking about happens only for a few minutes after a restart of the phone. Unless you're rebooting your phone every moment of the day it's low impact.
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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We are going way off topic debating each other's comprehension.

If it's a matter of terminology and "lag" is a bad word that leads to endless, pointless arguments, (which sums up 90% of all debate on this site, my own contributions included) is it going to fix things to change to the word 'stutter'? Are we just no longer allowed to talk about stuff that bugs us in the product if it's an accepted fact that the discussion leads nowhere? That seems unfairly biased against people whom it does frustrate. Anyway, I did try to offer a constructive alternative which was to send Apple feedback (which I myself did).

I'm standing firmly by my statement that you saying "are we back to the same old lag rehash..." is a derision of validity of complaining about the issues being raised here.
And I stand by my statement that I meant what I said and not something beyond or that want there, and that you essentially seemed to have interpreted what I said the way you wanted to rather the way I meant it (as another user also pointed out, picking up on what I actually said and meant). And given where the more recent posts in this thread have gone, it only further goes to support what I actually said.
 
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I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
We are going way off topic debating each other's comprehension.

If it's a matter of terminology and "lag" is a bad word that leads to endless, pointless arguments, (which sums up 90% of all debate on this site, my own contributions included) is it going to fix things to change to the word 'stutter'? Are we just no longer allowed to talk about stuff that bugs us in the product if it's an accepted fact that the discussion leads nowhere? That seems unfairly biased against people whom it does frustrate. Anyway, I did try to offer a constructive alternative which was to send Apple feedback (which I myself did).

I'm standing firmly by my statement that you saying "are we back to the same old lag rehash..." is a derision of validity of complaining about the issues being raised here.
What went from "priming animations" has turned into a generic discussion of "lag and stutter" in yet another thread was his point.
 

stevemiller

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What went from "priming animations" has turned into a generic discussion of "lag and stutter" in yet another thread was his point.

Because the "priming" might be described by some as a visual lag. And my point has always been that for better or worse these lag discussions will continue as long as there are examples of visual lag present in iOS.

we are going to be forever the thorn in each other's sides, you get frustrated with the people complaining, I get frustrated with the little glitches. They're both first world problems. :)
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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Because the "priming" might be described by some as a visual lag. And my point has always been that for better or worse these lag discussions will continue as long as there are examples of visual lag present in iOS.

we are going to be forever the thorn in each other's sides, you get frustrated with the people complaining, I get frustrated with the little glitches. They're both first world problems. :)
And what ends up happening (which is what I was pointing out was starting to happen here) is what has been described at https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...mations-in-ios-9.1963668/page-2#post-22727844
 

stevemiller

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And I stand by my statement that I meant what I said and not something beyond or that want there, and that you essentially seemed to have interpreted what I said the way you wanted to rather the way I meant it (as another user also pointed out, picking up on what I actually said and meant). And given where the more recent posts in this thread have gone, it only further goes to support what I actually said.

what was pointed out was that as someone starts saying iOS is laggy, it's like invoking Godwin's law and you've lost the argument. And I'm saying that's not fair. This discussion was about a new visual glitch that some might dare to describe as lag.

So rather than me put words into your mouth, pray tell what would have people bothered by that do? Discuss it but not use the word lag, because it's apparently a trigger word now? Not start another thread because people have complained about these types of issues before and it's met with endless debate? If those aren't the implications of your statement, what is?
 

Radon87000

macrumors 604
Nov 29, 2013
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Not my phone, someone else's phone that has an issue. A backup and dfu will fix the issue. My phone is as smooth as a babies bottom.
Theres over a 100 videos on YouTube showing this lag so forgive me if I dont believe you.

Lets see if you notice this lag which occurs every time I try to pair my Apple Watch

1.Open the Watch App
2.Tap on Start Pairing
3.Double Tap Home button to open App Switcher
4.Navigate to the Home Screen card but dont tap on it
5.Swipe up the Control Centre
6.While CC is open tap on the Watch App.HORRIBLE SUB 20 FPS Lag.Now everytime you try to move those cards the scrolling gets all jerky
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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what was pointed out was that as someone starts saying iOS is laggy, it's like invoking Godwin's law and you've lost the argument. And I'm saying that's not fair. This discussion was about a new visual glitch that some might dare to describe as lag.

So rather than me put words into your mouth, pray tell what would have people bothered by that do? Discuss it but not use the word lag, because it's apparently a trigger word now? Not start another thread because people have complained about these types of issues before and it's met with endless debate? If those aren't the implications of your statement, what is?
Seems like I already clarified what I said more than a few times. It also seems like doing it any more isn't going to help, since it would have already done so by now with a number of previous clarifications.

So it seems like we can leave it at that--those who seem to understand what I said (and certainly some already have posted about understanding it) will get it, and those who don't simply won't.
 

stevemiller

macrumors 68020
Oct 27, 2008
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Seems like I already clarified what I said more than a few times. It also seems like doing it any more isn't going to help, since it would have already done so by now with a number of previous clarifications.

So it seems like we can leave it at that--those who seem to understand what I said (and certainly some already have posted about understanding it) will get it, and those who don't simply won't.
I find it hostile that you claim that I don't understand. So if we're leaving it as an impasse, I'm saying no the exact same about you, that you willfully ignore what I'm saying is problematic about your statements. Have a good one.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Because the "priming" might be described by some as a visual lag. And my point has always been that for better or worse these lag discussions will continue as long as there are examples of visual lag present in iOS.

we are going to be forever the thorn in each other's sides, you get frustrated with the people complaining, I get frustrated with the little glitches. They're both first world problems. :)
I'm not frustrated with the threads, tired of being called visually impaired.:)
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Theres over a 100 videos on YouTube showing this lag so forgive me if I dont believe you.

Lets see if you notice this lag which occurs every time I try to pair my Apple Watch

1.Open the Watch App
2.Tap on Start Pairing
3.Double Tap Home button to open App Switcher
4.Navigate to the Home Screen card but dont tap on it
5.Swipe up the Control Centre
6.While CC is open tap on the Watch App.HORRIBLE SUB 20 FPS Lag.Now everytime you try to move those cards the scrolling gets all jerky
There were 70 million iPhones sold, a small percentage could have an issue with youtube and MR being a magnet for these.

I don't have an Apple Watch.

edit: The video shows 9.2, 9.3 fixed a bunch of these niggling issues.
 
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stevemiller

macrumors 68020
Oct 27, 2008
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I'm not frustrated with the threads, tired of being called visually impaired.:)

I 100% believe you might not have the issue. :)

There is no way to be sure how widespread or isolated an issue is. Those of us who experience it can discuss, and ultimately report to Apple, and Apple can choose to fix if it appears widespread/important enough.

Also note I work in visual design and will likely have stronger reactions. Some of it is because in my own job I can design out an animation for a website or app, and often it gets bastardized in exactly these ways when it gets implemented. Sometimes it comes down to simple race conditions in the code, and nobody really addressed it because technically everything completes as it should, but a minor tweak could allow the animation to complete uninterrupted.
 
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C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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I find it hostile that you claim that I don't understand. So if we're leaving it as an impasse, I'm saying no the exact same about you, that you willfully ignore what I'm saying is problematic about your statements. Have a good one.
Now something is hostile out of nowhere? Sorry but that's just ridiculous. That said, have a good one as well.
 

Jayson A

macrumors 68030
Original poster
Sep 16, 2014
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Did you even read what OP said before you replied? The Lag he is talking about happens only for a few minutes after a restart of the phone. Unless you're rebooting your phone every moment of the day it's low impact.

Back to the original discussion... it's not just a few minutes after a restart unless you really think I go through and start every animation on my device after I restart just so that it will be smooth again.

It could be hours or maybe even days before some animations are used (based on how often I use them), but no matter what, the first time I touch anything in iOS, the animation stutters a lot OR is completely skipped all together! Sometimes I unlock my iPhone and the icons just sort of appear on the home screen instead of flying in.

Say what you want, but it makes my phone feel like a piece of crap because it can't handle simple 2D effects with ease like it used to.

Also, quick reply from the home screen is a hit or miss. Sometimes the keyboard slides up from the bottom perfectly, but other times it just appears suddenly.
 

Armen

macrumors 604
Apr 30, 2013
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Back to the original discussion... it's not just a few minutes after a restart unless you really think I go through and start every animation on my device after I restart just so that it will be smooth again.

It could be hours or maybe even days before some animations are used (based on how often I use them), but no matter what, the first time I touch anything in iOS, the animation stutters a lot OR is completely skipped all together! Sometimes I unlock my iPhone and the icons just sort of appear on the home screen instead of flying in.

Say what you want, but it makes my phone feel like a piece of crap because it can't handle simple 2D effects with ease like it used to.

Also, quick reply from the home screen is a hit or miss. Sometimes the keyboard slides up from the bottom perfectly, but other times it just appears suddenly.

This I don't agree with. After a few minutes my 6+ works normally. What the heck would take days to cache?
 

trifid

macrumors 68020
May 10, 2011
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Absolutely agree with OP, but this happens to me often, after some time of inactivity or something, not just on reboot. I've sort of accepted this, since OSX does the exact same BS, it seems to be some sort of historic thing that OSX/iOS does, but honestly, it shouldn't, for an OS in 2016, it's time it evolved. Bundle more RAM with the device if that's the issue, RAM nowadays is dirt cheap, right?
 
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