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I'll be installing Windows 7 Beta on it tonight just to try it out.
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Why does Windows 7 have such a positive image?
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I'll be installing Windows 7 Beta on it tonight just to try it out.
IMO, Microsoft badly wants, and needs, to regain some credibility and put the past behind them given Vista's compatibility issues, a lack luster corporate adoption rate and a ever so gradual loss in market share. Ballmer is touting v7 will be the best performing and more secure Windows ever.
Also IMO, since the Window's bar is relatively low, a better v7 should not be that difficult to engineer.
Also IMO, since the Window's bar is relatively low, a better v7 should not be that difficult to engineer.
I remember before Vista was released, people were raving about it but turned out to be a dud, how do we know Windows 7 won't turn out to be the same.
Because you can try it out yourself right now and see if you get those same issues Windows 7 had
Hint: Not likely.
Add in the fact that Win 7 RC is far more polished and stable than Vista was, and much snappier and works on machines Vista could never dream of and its why people are hyped about it
i personally like it quite a bit right now.
in fact, i'm going to put it on a first gen macbook with only 512 ram and see how it does compared to leopard on the same machine
in fact, i'm going to put it on a first gen macbook with only 512 ram and see how it does compared to leopard on the same machine
Because you can try it out yourself right now and see if you get those same issues Windows 7 had
Hint: Not likely.
Add in the fact that Win 7 RC is far more polished and stable than Vista was, and much snappier and works on machines Vista could never dream of and its why people are hyped about it
Try it, why do I need to try anything. My point is people were also raving about Vista before it was released in a similar fashion but yet it turned it to be a dud. Now people are raving about Windows 7 making it seem like its the best thing since slice bread when they were saying the same about Vista before it was released, lol.
I had Vista Beta 2 on my computer and it was really bad (and my computer at the time was an overclocked P4 3.0GHZ with enough RAM and an X850 Radeon)
Windows 7 will be better no matter what. There will be no more driver problems (as Vista had them when it came to the market) and all the Vista applications will be compatible
Vista had to happen for Windows 7 to be good. Microsoft had to change their driver system plus other OS tweaks and they chose to do it with Vista. When you have such a massive marketshare (and a one that demands compatibility), it's impossible to introduce new driver and application systems without causing incompatibility
Windows 8 is going be a success for Microsoft and it is well deserved. They listened to their customers and focused on making a better OS and they have succeeded
Windows 7 will be better no matter what. There will be no more driver problems (as Vista had them when it came to the market) and all the Vista applications will be compatible
Vista had to happen for Windows 7 to be good. Microsoft had to change their driver system plus other OS tweaks and they chose to do it with Vista. When you have such a massive marketshare (and a one that demands compatibility), it's impossible to introduce new driver and application systems without causing incompatibility
Windows 8 is going be a success for Microsoft and it is well deserved. They listened to their customers and focused on making a better OS and they have succeeded
I also think Windows 7 has a postive image to is the fact that people can actaully run it in terms of how many years you have had your pc i ran vista for a while on my mac that i have now and it was slugish i have a second Revison intel imac core 2 duo and t rn but some stuff took a while to do now im running 7077 build of Windows 7 and its Stable and runs just as fast and as good as pcs alot of people say they can pretty much run this on there 3 year old or more pcs as well.
Since it doesn't sound like you've tested Win 7, much less Vista beta, I don't get it - are you here to counter what many people around the world, including forum members here say when they say that Win 7 is vastly improved over Vista at this stage?
Vista had numerous beta stages, RC's, etc. and it was heavily criticized by those who actually tested it - you gave one link, now I bet you can find plenty of people (including those around here, believe it or not) who tested it and said it wasn't ready for retail but they pushed it out anyways. The feelings around it this time are hardly the same, and you can go test it for yourself from the MS website for absolutely free, but given your "why do I need to try anything" i get the feeling you're more into making rhetoric
you're already set on hating it. you would prob install it. complain that it doesn't have the programs you want. fiddle around. switch to os x and say i hate windows it sucks.
don't try it because then you think you're rantings about a bad OS are justified.
i used windows 7 for a whole day and i'm happy that snow leopard is around the corner because windows 7 is that good. it was the perfect hybrid of windows xp + leopard painted in vista.
Windows 7 does appear to have a highly positive image, but really, Windows 7 is just what Vista should have been in the first place. The reason for the positivity is just because no one had expected Microsoft to ever get it right.
It also didn't help with the Vista release that a lot of the 3rd party vendors declined to release any updated drivers for some products so people got left with devices that either couldn't work or had limited functionality. Most likely they thought that it was prime time to make people upgrade and they would be rolling in $$$, when in fact they just pissed off alot of folks who either didn't bother to upgrade or they just went with a different company due to the poor support.
Not sure how many webcams logitech declined to support on Vista, likewise HP & printer/scanner drivers.
Not sure how many webcams logitech declined to support on Vista, likewise HP & printer/scanner drivers.
Windows 7 does appear to have a highly positive image, but really, Windows 7 is just what Vista should have been in the first place. The reason for the positivity is just because no one had expected Microsoft to ever get it right.
as explain before. Windows 7 has some of Vista problems fix but a large part of Vista problems was out of Microsoft's hands. Namely driver and software support. A lot of companies did not update their drivers to work with their hardware and others just refused to update their software or people got hit with the legacy software that had not been updated for years. Apple dropped a lot of legacy support when OSX was released. MS did was has needed to be done and that was drop some legacy support with Vista.
I read stuff and agree that Vista was a nothing more than a stepping stone OS for microsoft. It was made to bridge the gap between XP and the next OS. They allowed Vista to be a scape goat for a the problems out side of their control. Lets face it Vista made a huge amount of under the hood changes to the OS compare to XP. Many of those under the hood changes made things that worked great under XP no longer work. Namely a lot of the windows 9.x stuff.
Another problem Vista face was it was a huge change from XP. A very old OS at the time Vista came out. A lot of XP problems deal with the fact XP is having to do things it was NEVER designed to handle and it been pushed to its limits of what it can do. XP is old and in today's age it still works it is just been pushed beyond it limits and them some.
And in most respects it has been a winner. I fail to see how your choice of quotation goes toward proving your point of Vista's supposed failure. Shall we now talk of Leopard's failures? Using the very same logic we can make the same argument against Leopard, and probably be far more intellectually honest about it.
The point is that your quotation from an old article regarding the beta period of Vista -- of which the beta of Vista is nowhere near the same as the beta of Windows 7 -- is incredibly flimsy. That article was upfront about forthcoming problems, and that's why it said, "in most respects."
Here's a fine example of one of the new innovations in Windows 7.
I've been hoping for something like this for a very long time. Finally I can share my WiFi over WiFi!
I've been hoping for something like this for a very long time. Finally I can share my WiFi over WiFi!
Not sure I completely understand this.
You can connect your comp to wifi network abc, then simultaneously create wifi network cde, and allow other comps that for some odd reason can't connect to abc connect to cde?
Is that what it does?
It sounds like it's designed to act as a repeater. So you stick a computer on the outer fringe of a wireless network's coverage area and it'll extend the coverage: Say ABC is the wireless router connected to the internet and the rest are computers, you could have something like this:
ABC----------DEF----------GHI----------JKL----------MNO
So the 2nd computer is connected to ABC and sharing out the connection on DEF, the 3rd computer is connected to DEF and sharing out on GHI, etc. And at the end, a computer can connect to the wireless network MNO and get online even though it's far out of range of ABC, the original wireless router.
Now, why you would do this with Windows 7 is beyond me....wireless routers that are capable of extending networks like this can be had for as little as $50 and are small and compact and purpose built for this sort of thing. Using computers seems like major overkill.
True, and what should be pointed out is that this failure was by Plan, not by Accident.
MS's Business Plan has been is to be "hands off" because they didn't want to pay for it. They offloaded the cost of writing the drivers to the 3rd party hardware manufactuers, which effectively was MS once again leveraging their monopoly for profit, because no hardware vendor can "Afford" to ignore the 800lb gorilla, hence they had to pay out-of-pocket to maintain compatibility...and also more money that stays in MS's pocket.
Yes, but to be fair to the ones actually paying for the work, because of MS's repeated stumbling in OS creation (eg, Longhorn), these same 3rd party vendors got tired of wasting their money. So they simply chose to wait on MS for Vista to become real, so as to minimize their in-house financial losses from yet another MS-created stillbirth. This is particularly the case for existing (legacy) hardware since there was no profit to be made by the hardware vendor by writing a new Vista driver.
This is a classic example of where the motivational self-interests would be that a delay should only cause a few months of lost sales disadvantage at the individual level, but when everyone took the same course of action, it resulted in a crash -n- burn for the entire Vista release.
This is easily forseen as a consequence and it should be clearly identified as the fault of MS's business plan. When MS chose to dump the work (& expense) on the hardware vendors, all at the vendors' expense, MS effectively abdicated Vista's delivery schedule and quality to these unpaid vendors.
In summary, MS failed with Vista because MS refused to pay for that which was product- and milestone-critical.
Moving forward to Win7...
One should take notice that by not changing the APIs, MS won't have this same problem in this rollout ... but more importantly, MS hasn't fixed this flaw in their business plan: they've merely side-stepped the problem for the moment. shh....this is good news for Apple and other MS OS competitors.
(change of gears)
Its an interesting idea...and one that is fraught with gotchas.
Taking the above example:
A) the laptop user DEF will get saddled with poor WiFi performance, because in addition to his own bandwidth consumption, the bandwidth being used by GHI, JKL and MNO are all being passed through him too.
B) the laptop user DEF finishes his Latte at the fringe of the coffee shop's WIFI coverage, shuts down his laptop and goes back to work ... the rest of the tag-along 'hitchhikers' go from a decent relay signal to zero signal and their sessions crash and burn.
C) if I'm paying for bandwidth and have this turned on, did I not just invite freeloaders to hitchhike on my connection ... and for which I'm footing the bill? When one of them does something illegal, am I liable?
D) suppose that the laptop user GHI has a WiFi eavesdropper (either malware, or he's not a white hat). Would this not mean that all of the traffic that he's helping "pass through" from/to JKL and MNO has now had its security compromised?
IMO, it is obvious that this feature is going to be used as a marketing hype advertisement, to illustrate how Windows is "better" than other systems. The commercial will be to show a Mac getting zero bars and the PC getting a solid connection...
Granted, it could be a reasonably decent idea in a trusting, benevolent IT setting (particularly if there's not one node at each DEF but dozens...preventing single point of failure in a network web), but the unfortunate reality is that this sort of computing environment hasn't existed for well over a decade, plus its creation of coverage relies on statistics, both for the availability of users as well as the ubiquity of that particular version of Windows. Even if it technically works, it will take time for broad adoption to pragmatically make it reliably available.
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Because they renamed VISTA-v2 to windows 7
Note product version number
Vista = NT 6.0.xxxx
Win 7 = NT 6.1.xxxx
Heard of mojave?
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/14/microsofts-mojave-attempts-to-wet-vistas-desert/
In addition, "Why Windows 7 is Microsoft’s next Zune"
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/05/09/why-windows-7-is-microsofts-next-zune/
Note product version number
Vista = NT 6.0.xxxx
Win 7 = NT 6.1.xxxx
Heard of mojave?
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/14/microsofts-mojave-attempts-to-wet-vistas-desert/
In addition, "Why Windows 7 is Microsoft’s next Zune"
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/05/09/why-windows-7-is-microsofts-next-zune/