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Superdelphinus

macrumors regular
Feb 27, 2008
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I just installed the RC a couple of days ago on an early 2008 macbook and I have to say i'm quite impressed. I was always in the camp that thought os x was slightly overrated and vista slightly underrated (though obv os x was easily the best of the two) but I think that w7 is very very close to os x. In some ways the overall feel of it is very much of a next gen operating system - we'll have to see if snow leopard is the same.

Despite it being very snappy and logical it still does those annoying windows things like send your harddrive into a meltdown for no discernable reason. I would say this is a pre-gold issue but i know windows better than that!
 

Nyan

macrumors member
Apr 12, 2009
38
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God, we get it. You don't like Windows and nothing is going to change that. Well guess what? Some of feel the same way about Macs. Go make your topic if this bothers you so much. Don't come in here and deliberately troll because god forbid people have different preferences.

I for one, have the evaluation copy and am loving every second of it. The only problem I've encountered is that the sleep mode and profile switching doesn't work too well for a few programs and causes them them to stop functioning, but that's always been a problem on this rigged XPS.

Some screenies: God I love the background changer. I have it switching from all sorts of this guy's stuff, but nabbed the 2/3s of the Sonic ones for you guys.

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In addition, "Why Windows 7 is Microsoft�€™s next Zune" http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/05/09/w...ofts-next-zune/
Considering how terrible every single one of the analogies he uses are, and considering how many facts he gets wrong in that article, I'm amazed you even think it is some kind of proof. Especially when you take into account that, reading over some of the rest of the articles he has penned, the entire website is a glorified blog of some guy who is such a biased idiot that Steve Jobs could **** in a box and he'd wait outside an Apple store to buy it up. You posting that is no more proof than me linking to a blog post by someone who works at SCEA who says "The XBox 360 is the worst thing human beings have ever created."
We'll see how it fares after Apple releases Snow Leopard - which you can be sure will ride the able shoulders of a clever ad campaign.
Which, as with most Apple products, will largely be the reason for its success rather than any qualities it actually contains.
but then I realized we're getting close to the launch of Windows 7, and in the interim M$ is distancing itself from it's own product.
Holy ****! Microsoft is engaging in basic marketing strategies? Stop the presses.

Why do you feel the need to go out of your way to pick fights in every single computer thread? We know you like Macs and consider Windows to be the worst thing ever. **** about it.
 

Timur

macrumors 6502a
Oct 14, 2008
575
15
I'm looking forward to Windows 7, but mainly because of the little usability improvements. Under the hood it's not much more than a large Servicepack for Vista and that's good enough. The W7 hype is mainly because of the GUi changes, the name change and the improvements for Netbooks.

Application performance for my high CPU load professional Audio applications is the same by the way.

Concerning the memory myth of W7 using so much less memory than Vista (or XP using so much less anyway):

Windows 7 32-bit (Beta, not RC)


Number of service after startup: 58
Maximum available RAM: ~2600 out of 3046 mb

Vista Ultimate 32-bit

Number of services after startup: 70
Maximum available RAM: ~2600 out of 3046 mb

So while the number of services has decreased the memory usage seems to remain the same. Maybe some services have just been put together into one.

Windows XP

Maximum available RAM: ~2800 out of 3046 mb

Here is a comparison between Vista 64-bit versus Windows 7 64-bit:

Vista Ultimate 64-bit

Number of services loaded: >70
Maxmimum available RAM: ~3400 out of 4070 mb
Maxmimum available RAM Aero + Defender + Superfetch deactivated: ~3600 out of 4070 mb

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (Beta, not RC)

Number of services loaded: >50
Maxmimum available RAM: ~3300-3370 out of 4070 mb
Maxmimum available RAM Aero + Defender + Superfetch deactivated: ~3450-3500 out of 4070 mb (starts at only ~3300 mb and takes exactly 5 mins until System releases another 150 mb).

Seemingly Windows 7 64-bit is using more memory for less services compared to Vista 64-bit on an otherwise equally configured system (same hardware, fresh installations with same drivers).

If I find time I may have a look at RC and do another comparison, but I doubt that much has changed.
 

jbernie

macrumors 6502a
Nov 25, 2005
927
12
Denver, CO
What about the version numbers?

A little late in responding as I have been away for 3 weeks but....

One of the issues with Vista was the OS version detection, as already mentioned Win2k & XP were 5.0 & 5.1, Vista then went to 6.0, the big problem was that a number of applications did not recognize the 6.0 OS version number and errored out saying it was not supported. MS is avoiding alot of these issues by making Win7 OS version 6.1 which in the basic sense means if it runs on Vista it runs on Win7, and then you can download the free add on to do Win XP emulation if you really have to.

I'm no programmer so I don't know how the OS version detection works but I guess if you wrote an app that detected v0.0 -> 5.x ok but did not account for > v5.99 then the fix would have to be to provide an updated version of that application as you can't patch the application without a new installer and you certainly can't write new updates to the original CDs.

The problem is that in a lot of cases there was already at least one newer version of the application available and the people who had the problematic versions weren't going to get updates other than through buying an upgrade to the new version. Creating artificial limitations (version detection) in software didn't help anyone, but at the same time I have the feeling the issue was not really the fault of anyone, more just bad circumstances.
 

windywoo

macrumors 6502a
May 24, 2009
536
0
Because they renamed VISTA-v2 to windows 7

Note product version number
Vista = NT 6.0.xxxx
Win 7 = NT 6.1.xxxx

Heard of mojave?
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/08/14/microsofts-mojave-attempts-to-wet-vistas-desert/


In addition, "Why Windows 7 is Microsoft’s next Zune"
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/05/09/why-windows-7-is-microsofts-next-zune/

Never, ever quote roughlydrafted if you want your point to be taken seriously. Its such a hopelessly blinkered, fanboy site they won't publish comments that correct their "facts".

Oh, and PCWorld are little better.
 
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