Why I like Windows 8 !!!!!

[tshrimp]

I have to thank MS for releasing Windows 8 public beta. The install was easy, and it booted up fine. I worked with it for a while, and came to the conclusion..... The OS stinks for a desktop. Great for a tablet, but my laptop isn't a tablet. I thought to myself...if this is the next windows os then I am going to give the Mac a try. I bought the least expensive mac I could, and must say I am loving it. I have to give a thank you to MS for releasing Win8 so I could experience OS X.

 

[Frozzie]

It is such a user unfriendly OS. At least 10 years behind OS X in terms of convenience. No expose or mission control = doomed

 

[phyrexia]

Microsoft can afford to lose this iteration and get Win9 right. They have never taken such a drastic leap.

Yeah, Mission Control is such a huuge step forward, after all, that Apple is moving backwards for 10.8.

 

[ljonesj]

well and also windows unless u get the pro version then pay more to get dvd playback to me thats a failure as i still use dvds

 

[3bs]

Microsoft can afford to lose this iteration and get Win9 right. They have never taken such a drastic leap.

Yeah, Mission Control is such a huuge step forward, after all, that Apple is moving backwards for 10.8.

No Mission Control in 10.8?

 

[atMac]

It is such a user unfriendly OS. At least 10 years behind OS X in terms of convenience. No expose or mission control = doomed

Hardly. I don't use either of those features, never have. If you disable the Tiles on Win8 it's a really nice OS.

 

[tshrimp]

well and also windows unless u get the pro version then pay more to get dvd playback to me thats a failure as i still use dvds

Agreed. This also makes no sense. Why in the world did they remove this ability. Funny thing is...I am typing this on a Mac Mini, so how can I complain about no DVD playback

I am kind of new to Mac, so correct me if I am wrong. I have an old Windows laptop that has a Bluray drive in it. Someone told me that Mac still doesn't support bluray. I find this hard to believe. Can someone confirm or deny this as I am looking to add an external bluray to my Mac Mini.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

Agreed. This also makes no sense. Why in the world did they remove this ability. Funny thing is...I am typing this on a Mac Mini, so how can I complain about no DVD playback

I am kind of new to Mac, so correct me if I am wrong. I have an old Windows laptop that has a Bluray drive in it. Someone told me that Mac still doesn't support bluray. I find this hard to believe. Can someone confirm or deny this as I am looking to add an external bluray to my Mac Mini.

Start believing it.

Out of curiosity, how long did you try the Windows 8 beta before you decided to get a mac?

 

[tshrimp]

Start believing it.

Out of curiosity, how long did you try the Windows 8 beta before you decided to get a mac?

About a month or so. Maybe I didn't give it enough time, but don't regret getting my Mac. I also needed to learn some Unix/Linux stuff, so thought this would be good for me there as well.

Is it normal for Apple to ignor some technologies such as Bluray? Have they said why they do not support it? I see my mac has firewire, which I thought was all but gone, but omit BR support :-(

Keep in mind I come from the Windows side, so maybe Firewire is common for businesses and individuals that use macs.

 

[ljonesj]

i think blu ray burning is there but the playback of movies is not unless u get third party software but my thing is people that still have laptops and desktops with dvd/bluray drives and are still great speced some of these people need that function

 

[phyrexia]

Apple wants you to buy the HD video via iTunes. They have very little impetus to support Blu-Ray. (Firewire is generally speaking superior to USB)

As for moving "backwards": https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1365961/

 

[MisterMe]

Apple wants you to buy the HD video via iTunes. They have very little impetus to support Blu-Ray. (Firewire is generally speaking superior to USB)

As for moving "backwards": https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1365961/

It has nothing to do with where Apple wants you to purchase software. Macs had CD drives because CDs were a major distribution medium for software. CDs also served as archive and sharing medium for personal files. Macs had DVD drives because DVDs were a major distribution medium for software, particularly for MacOS X. A DVD is a less reliable as archive and sharing medium. They can also be used to create optical discs that are playable in any DVD player. Macs can handle Blu-ray discs with third party software. However, no software developer distributes MacOS X software via Blu-ray. I am aware of no developer on any other platform that distributes software via the medium. As an archive and sharing medium, Blu-ray is already behind the times. There are 32 GB USB thumb drives that consume much less geometric space than Blu-ray discs and have no moving parts. SDHC cards are even smaller. Apple's stated reason for not supporting Blu-ray is that the standard requires support in hardware. Jobs called it "a world of hurt."

In my own personal experience, CD and DVD are set technologies. Blu-ray is still evolving. When I purchased my Avatar Blu-ray, it could not play properly on my Sharp Blu-ray player. A firmware update download and install was required to bring my Sharp into compatibility with my Avatar Blu-ray disc.

If Apple included Blu-ray support in MacOS X and its hardware, then there would be no doubt that Apple would supply the necessary firmware compatibility updates as they became available. However, not everyone keeps their software up-to-date.

 

[phyrexia]

Blu-Ray has been standardized for some time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

You make some good points, but I still stand by what I said. The only thing you can buy on a Blu-Ray is a movie (or a PS3 game, right?). Apple sells movies, but not on Blu-Rays. They have a pretty clear Conflict of Interest.

Apple doesn't seem to care enough to even keep the DVD Drive around.

 

[MisterMe]

Blu-Ray has been standardized for some time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

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All you have shown is that there is a Wikipedia page devoted to Blu-ray. You have not addressed the fact that my relatively new Sharp Blu-ray player deck needed a firmware update in order to play my Avatar Blu-ray disc. That said, the Wikipedia page has an entire section devoted to on-going developments. These on-going developments do not specifically address the issues that would not allow Avatar to play on my player out-of-the-box. However, the section seriously strains the credibility of the notion that Blu-ray is a fixed standard.

 

[atMac]

THe format itself is standard, but there are more features that are being added.

Its like firefox, only ever plug-in requires an upgrade to your OS to use it... now that I read that back I remember why I never bought BluRay and wanted HD to win.

 

[AppleDApp]

As for the bluray question, Apple is focused of eliminating physical media. How about we get back to the original topic. Has anyone else tried Windows 8?

 

[tshrimp]

As for the bluray question, Apple is focused of eliminating physical media. How about we get back to the original topic. Has anyone else tried Windows 8?

Windows 8 has now been removed from my laptop and Win7 is back.

Anyone else tried Windows 8 yet? What do you think?

Again thanks to Microsoft as without the release of the Widnows 8 Public Beta I would never have purchased my Mac.

 

[roadbloc]

I like Windows 8.

 

[Carlanga]

Windows 8 has now been removed from my laptop and Win7 is back.

Anyone else tried Windows 8 yet? What do you think?

Again thanks to Microsoft as without the release of the Widnows 8 Public Beta I would never have purchased my Mac.

Did it consume more resources than Win 7 or the same? also, what did you not like of win 8 that made you go back. I'm asking, because I might upgrade from win 7 to 8 on my win partition of my macbook when it comes out.

 

[Martyimac]

All you have shown is that there is a Wikipedia page devoted to Blu-ray. You have not addressed the fact that my relatively new Sharp Blu-ray player deck needed a firmware update in order to play my Avatar Blu-ray disc. That said, the Wikipedia page has an entire section devoted to on-going developments. These on-going developments do not specifically address the issues that would not allow Avatar to play on my player out-of-the-box. However, the section seriously strains the credibility of the notion that Blu-ray is a fixed standard.

Your player isn't the only player that has this issue. AVSForum is alive with folks that have different issues, on different players, with different movies. Many of the issues are the java and internet access implementations that the manufacturers employ. Luckily, my Panasonic Blu-Ray player has been able to play every disc I have thrown at it, with no firmware updates needed. The only thing, I think, that is standardized is the format used to record the actual film to disc, everything else is evolving.

 

[tshrimp]

Did it consume more resources than Win 7 or the same? also, what did you not like of win 8 that made you go back. I'm asking, because I might upgrade from win 7 to 8 on my win partition of my macbook when it comes out.

I didn't notice it consuming any more resources than Win7, but Windows has gotten more resource friendly over the years.(minus Vista)

Everyone likes different things. So instead of me telling you what I liked and didn't like (as I am lazy and this could take a while)

I would suggest testing it out.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/consumer-preview?ocid=O_MSC_W8P_OandO_Consumer_EN-US

You can find the key in the FAQ area

Also here is some good info on what is wrong with the OS.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/8_things_we_hate_about_windows_841

 

[497902]

It still has the registry, dll hell, UAC, disk defragmentation, it's slow, not user friendly, buggy, resource hungry and crash happy. It's still Windows.

 

[tshrimp]

It still has the registry, dll hell, UAC, disk defragmentation, it's slow, not user friendly, buggy, resource hungry and crash happy. It's still Windows.

Thanks for the post Sven...

I can't agree totally with you here:

Registry/dll - Agree with you here.

UAC - disagree....This was a Vista issue that was addressed with a patch, so not so many popups these days, and can be disabled. Win 7 even better, and didn't even think about it on Win8, so must not be too intrusive.But how does this differ from the pop up we get on OSX when we install software???
Also on this topic people asked for this, Microsoft Added, People complained.

Disk Defrag - OSX does get fragmented.... http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1634. But no big deal either way. Set Windows to defrag on schedule and never even think about it. But doesn't matter for me as I have SSD in both main computers (Mac Mini, Self Built Win7 PC running Diable 3 ;-))

Slow - disagree. As fast if not faster than my Mac and the Mac has better specs.

Not user friendly - Agree on Windows 8, but not on Win7. (Win7 and OSX are both very easy to use)

Buggy - This is not a final release product, so it will have some bugs. Win7 has been just as stable for me as OSX.

Resource Hungry/Crash Happy - I have had no crashes with Win8 and uses less resources than my Mac with OSX Lion (as does Win7). Not bad for a product that has not been released. Not to rain on any of our parades here, but my Win7 computer has had less stability issues then my Mac Mini.

 

[MisterMe]

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Disk Defrag - OSX does get fragmented.... http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1634. But no big deal either way. Set Windows to defrag on schedule and never even think about it. But doesn't matter for me as I have SSD in both main computers (Mac Mini, Self Built Win7 PC running Diable 3 ;-))

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It would help if you read your links before posting them. The Apple link that you posted states clearly that it applies to MacOS 9.0 and earlier versions of Mac OS. This document has been archived and not updated. I can assure you that fragmentation on MacOS 9.0 and earlier was not nearly the issue that it was for extant versions of Windows.

 

[tshrimp]

It would help if you read your links before posting them. The Apple link that you posted states clearly that it applies to MacOS 9.0 and earlier versions of Mac OS. This document has been archived and not updated. I can assure you that fragmentation on MacOS 9.0 and earlier was not nearly the issue that it was for extant versions of Windows.

Thanks for keeping me honest. I didn't even notice that.

Here is a link that gives some good information

http://speedup-mac.blogspot.com/2011/08/do-we-need-to-defrag-mac-lion-hard.html

Here is a quote from it "When you open a file, OS X checks to see if it is highly fragmented (more than 8 fragments). If it is, OS X will automatically defragment the file." It also mentions it cannot defrag files over 20MB, or if you have less then 10% free space and that you will need a 3rd party app for that.

OSX looks to get fragmented, but OSX takes care of it much of the time. Windows works different but still takes care of the issue as it has defrag on by default (at like 2AM) and gives you more control. But this isn't important. They both get fragmented (Windows more so) and both take care of the issue.

Thanks again for keeping me honest.