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boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
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well and also windows unless u get the pro version then pay more to get dvd playback to me thats a failure as i still use dvds
Or, ya'know, get a free and superior alternative. There are heaps. VLC is the the obvious one. In fact, I would use that even if they did bundle Dvd software. Its simply a non-issue.
 

AppleScruff1

macrumors G4
Feb 10, 2011
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Or, ya'know, get a free and superior alternative. There are heaps. VLC is the the obvious one. In fact, I would use that even if they did bundle Dvd software. Its simply a non-issue.

+1 on the VLC media player. It plays everything, no fuss, no muss.
 

throAU

macrumors G3
Feb 13, 2012
9,155
7,309
Perth, Western Australia
It still has the registry, dll hell, UAC, disk defragmentation, it's slow, not user friendly, buggy, resource hungry and crash happy. It's still Windows.

Its not slow, UAC is no different to the mac password prompt, macs get fragmented too, etc.

Windows 8 is crap because teh UI is inconsistent and doesn't work with multiple monitors.
 

throAU

macrumors G3
Feb 13, 2012
9,155
7,309
Perth, Western Australia
How do you support all those legacy x86 apps without including the Windows Desktop app? How does it not work with multiple monitors? Check this blog post:

Enhancing Windows 8 for multiple monitors

Yes, I've seen that post.

How do you support legacy apps? don't run metro. For desktop use, it's crap.


the sticky corners are only going to annoy people and the start menu *wasn't broken* in the first place.


contrast to the apple way: leave the tablet UI on a tablet, and a desktop UI on the desktop.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
I hate the metro UI, it just doesn't seem to flow and allow me to work. I much prefer windows 7's UI and OSX's

I think its not just too radical but its design is not conducive for desktop computing
 

G51989

macrumors 68030
Feb 25, 2012
2,530
10
NYC NY/Pittsburgh PA
That link is for OS9 lol. OSX automatically keeps your HDD optimized, Windows does not. ;)

Wrong, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 ask you to schedule a disk defrag, ( at least all of my fresh installs do ). And you set it to do it at some time your asleep or something. So they both keep your HDD optimized.
 

AppleDApp

macrumors 68020
Jun 21, 2011
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Wrong, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 ask you to schedule a disk defrag, ( at least all of my fresh installs do ). And you set it to do it at some time your asleep or something. So they both keep your HDD optimized.

I don't recall OSX asking to choose a time to defragmentate the HDD. Seems more automatic then windows way of doing things.
 

chrono1081

macrumors G3
Jan 26, 2008
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Isla Nublar
I have to thank MS for releasing Windows 8 public beta. The install was easy, and it booted up fine. I worked with it for a while, and came to the conclusion..... The OS stinks for a desktop. Great for a tablet, but my laptop isn't a tablet. I thought to myself...if this is the next windows os then I am going to give the Mac a try. I bought the least expensive mac I could, and must say I am loving it. I have to give a thank you to MS for releasing Win8 so I could experience OS X.

Vista did that for me, hence why I LOVE Vista!

I'm not looking forward to supporting 8 in the workplace, hopefully the places I work for stick with 7.
 

throAU

macrumors G3
Feb 13, 2012
9,155
7,309
Perth, Western Australia
I don't recall OSX asking to choose a time to defragmentate the HDD. Seems more automatic then windows way of doing things.

OS X simply does not defrag the disk.

It attempts to minimise fragmentation whilst writing files yes, and does a better job at this than NTFS does, but it will still happen.
 
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Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
It still has the registry, dll hell, UAC, disk defragmentation, it's slow, not user friendly, buggy, resource hungry and crash happy. It's still Windows.

The Registry is very handy, I personally enjoy having a central and organised directory for all those files, if you want to go back to the days of random .ini files scattered accross your hard drive, go back to Windows 3.1

UAC is hardly obtrusive, it normally only ever pops up when you're installing brand new software, if you really hate it, you can turn it off.

Disk Defragmentation? Really? Windows defrags automatically.

Slow? Really? My PC is like lightning, and even on a 7200RPM drive boots up from cold in under 20 seconds.

Resource hungry? Windows 8 uses even less memory than Windows 7,
windows8-1280x1024.jpg


There's Windows 7 using 400MB of RAM on the left, and Windows 8 using even less on the right.

Crash happy? YMMV. I can't remember the last time my PC crashed properly. The odd program might stop responding (Normally iTunes). Maybe you have such a negative opinion on it from your past bad experience, but it doesn't mean your experience is the same for everyone else, when I had to use a MacPro in College for photo editing and video editing it crashed constantly, doesn't mean I'm going to run around badmouthing OS X.
 

Death-T

macrumors regular
May 18, 2012
125
0
Savannah, Georgia
Windows 8 is okay from what I've seen. I'm dual booting with the free consumer preview on my iMac until I get can get a copy of Windows 7. The start menu feels obtrusive though and it doesn't make a lot of sense. When you open an Internet Explorer window from the start menu you are completely detached from anything going on in the desktop which also has its own separate Internet Explorer.

It seems like Microsoft went out of their way to make Windows an artsy and visually appealing OS like Mac OS X, rather than sticking to its roots. Unless they provide an option to disable the Metro start menu, they're probably going to lose a lot of corporate office buyers. The metro start menu gets in the way of itself and provides too much in the way of distractions, and it's obviously meant for a tablet. Is Microsoft having an identity crisis or what ?


 

Ariii

macrumors 6502a
Jan 26, 2012
681
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Chicago
Why? The Kernel powering Windows 7/8 is pretty good. Its pretty secure, it supports so much hardware, its super stable, and it works so well.

Why replace it?

If they replaced the Windows kernel, then people could actually use Windows applications without buying the whole OS. And, there are some Unix command-line tools that are very useful. It would make development for applications a lot better, since people wouldn't have to work to port things to Windows. And, even though Windows has been getting even more secure, it wouldn't require users to be as aware of hackers or even check the Notification Center to stop themselves from getting viruses. I guess there would be more Trojans for other Unix users though. And if they had something like Classic Environment except for previous Windows applications, they wouldn't have issues with being compatible with older versions of Windows.
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
they're probably going to lose a lot of corporate office buyers.

Everyone said that when Vista was released. And whereas Vista wasn't really adopted much by the corporate market, it didn't put buyers off in the long run. Windows is the industry standard, whether it has a classic start menu or not.

You really think businesses will seek an alternative when it is time for them to upgrade, and have to spend a lot of money buying new software and hardware for... whatever other OS they decide use? No chance.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
Windows is the industry standard, whether it has a classic start menu or not.
But like Vista, Microsoft may see enterprise customers not upgrade to win8 and complain a lot about it,so much so that MS may seek to re-add it (that's my hope).

My company refused to put Vista on and we've been muddling our way with XP and slowly upgrading to win7. I can easily say for my company win8 is not on the radar screen for 2012 - 2014.
 

boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
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But like Vista, Microsoft may see enterprise customers not upgrade to win8 and complain a lot about it,so much so that MS may seek to re-add it (that's my hope).

My company refused to put Vista on and we've been muddling our way with XP and slowly upgrading to win7. I can easily say for my company win8 is not on the radar screen for 2012 - 2014.

Many companies are only just getting to Windows 7 now and, given how good it it, they probably won't be moving on for a long time.
 

smoledman

macrumors 68000
Oct 17, 2011
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But like Vista, Microsoft may see enterprise customers not upgrade to win8 and complain a lot about it,so much so that MS may seek to re-add it (that's my hope).

My company refused to put Vista on and we've been muddling our way with XP and slowly upgrading to win7. I can easily say for my company win8 is not on the radar screen for 2012 - 2014.

The biggest fact slowing down XP to 7/8 is that companies simply do not have the CASH to do it. It's a tough economy and companies will continue flogging their XP machines until they die.
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
Windows 8 is crap because teh UI is inconsistent and doesn't work with multiple monitors.
You ever tried OS X Lion? It's even worse.

The biggest fact slowing down XP to 7/8 is that companies simply do not have the CASH to do it. It's a tough economy and companies will continue flogging their XP machines until they die.
Or simply because there is no point spending money on something that works fine.
 
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