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adnbek

macrumors 68000
Oct 22, 2011
1,584
551
Montreal, Quebec
Actually, no. The thing I linked to in that post you quoted had Bertrand Serlet talking smack about Windows 7 at WWDC 2009.



Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTfChHwGFf0

Maybe it's a coincidence but the guy I just called out for copying Betrand Serlet's speech has a very similar username to the one who posted this video.... Hmm.

So maybe I hit the nail on its head, haha. :D
 

Eidorian

macrumors Penryn
Mar 23, 2005
29,190
386
Indianapolis
The thought of Windows 8 used to make me roll up into foetal position and cry myself to sleep. Now I don't work in IT.
I thought it was an arrow to the knee.

I will have to get the Release Preview installed at home later tonight but my experiences have been very positive even if I do not live in Metro.

>2012
>not having a SSD
 

hvfsl

macrumors 68000
Jul 9, 2001
1,869
186
London, UK
Until we get to the point where MS stops supporting Windows 7, I can't see any reason to upgrade to 8 on a desktop PC. If Metro was faster to navigate than the start menu of old, then I could probably live with MS removing it. But it isn't.

But having said that, there is one feature I can see a lot of smaller companies liking. The cloud based roaming profiles where you basically have your Windows user profile saved back to MS and you can then log onto another Windows 8 PC with your details anywhere in the world and see all your documents/email etc in front of you.
 

Sedulous

macrumors 68030
Dec 10, 2002
2,530
2,577
Thanks for the post Sven...

I can't agree totally with you here:

Registry/dll - Agree with you here.

UAC - disagree....This was a Vista issue that was addressed with a patch, so not so many popups these days, and can be disabled. Win 7 even better, and didn't even think about it on Win8, so must not be too intrusive.But how does this differ from the pop up we get on OSX when we install software???
Also on this topic people asked for this, Microsoft Added, People complained.

Disk Defrag - OSX does get fragmented.... http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1634. But no big deal either way. Set Windows to defrag on schedule and never even think about it. But doesn't matter for me as I have SSD in both main computers (Mac Mini, Self Built Win7 PC running Diable 3 ;-))

Slow - disagree. As fast if not faster than my Mac and the Mac has better specs.

Not user friendly - Agree on Windows 8, but not on Win7. (Win7 and OSX are both very easy to use)

Buggy - This is not a final release product, so it will have some bugs. Win7 has been just as stable for me as OSX.

Resource Hungry/Crash Happy - I have had no crashes with Win8 and uses less resources than my Mac with OSX Lion (as does Win7). Not bad for a product that has not been released. Not to rain on any of our parades here, but my Win7 computer has had less stability issues then my Mac Mini.

No, OSX does not get fragmented. The article you linked to is for OS 9 and earlier.
 

smoledman

macrumors 68000
Oct 17, 2011
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Until we get to the point where MS stops supporting Windows 7, I can't see any reason to upgrade to 8 on a desktop PC. If Metro was faster to navigate than the start menu of old, then I could probably live with MS removing it. But it isn't.

But having said that, there is one feature I can see a lot of smaller companies liking. The cloud based roaming profiles where you basically have your Windows user profile saved back to MS and you can then log onto another Windows 8 PC with your details anywhere in the world and see all your documents/email etc in front of you.

Windows 7 support:

Mainstream - January 12, 2015
Extended - January 14, 2020

Good luck with Apple ever supporting an OS version beyond 1-2 years.
 

tshrimp

macrumors 6502
Original poster
Mar 30, 2012
421
3,443
maybe this is what he did:
Google "Mac Fragmentation"
See search result leading to apple.com
copies that result thinking its "reliable"
pastes link to post
sees your post and gets embarrassed
never logs in again

Here is what happened.

Searched Google and copied link
Someone pointed out my error.
I said thanks for keeping me honest
Posted better link
Someone doesn't read all posts before wanting to talk smack
I post this addressing said smack talk
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
No, OSX does not get fragmented. The article you linked to is for OS 9 and earlier.

sorry but fragmentation is impossible to avoid. It gets fragmented. What it depends on is how the OS handles defragging the drive. Windows and OSX both have more of an auto defrag that runs during idle time to keep it cleaned up and prevent requiring the user from ever running it.

Also on HFS+ and NTFS fragmentation is not as big of a deal as it was on a Fat 32 system.
 

maswriter

macrumors member
Mar 10, 2012
87
40
Orange County, CA
I played with a Windows 8 beta at a Microsoft Store that was a few doors down from an Apple Store at the same mall. That helped swing my decision to Mac. Also, Microsoft has been using a Metro-like UI on XBox, and my son hated it. So, I'm definitely not feeling the Windows 8 love.

There is a change in both the Mac and Windows worlds from desktop to desktop/mobile UIs, but Mac seems to be handling it better. Apple is adding iOS features gradually to OS X where they make sense. I really like the iOS-OS X links they're adding to Mountain Lion with more compatibility between desktop and mobile apps. These will be a great convenience for those of us who use both Macs and iOS devices. This will also be a more compelling case for current iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch users to get a Mac.

Windows is trying to make the change more abruptly. So, you get this disjointed UI that tries to work for both mobile and desktop and not doing either well. The mash-up of Metro and traditional Windows apps seems a lot like the switch from DOS text-based and Windows graphic-based applications that took place 20 years ago.

We'll have to see how the marketplace accepts the change. The public may love it. As for me, if I were going to change UIs anyway, I'd rather switch to one I'd enjoy using on quality hardware. That's why I went Mac.
 

Sedulous

macrumors 68030
Dec 10, 2002
2,530
2,577
I already addressed my bad link, and yes it does get fragmented.

Here is what happened.

Searched Google and copied link
Someone pointed out my error.
I said thanks for keeping me honest
Posted better link
Someone doesn't read all posts before wanting to talk smack
I post this addressing said smack talk

No, HFS+ gets defragmented on the fly (at least for files >20MB).
 

ezekielrage_99

macrumors 68040
Oct 12, 2005
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I love these threads they make interesting reads.

But my 2 cents, after Vista Microsoft sat down and realsed it couldnt keep making mistakes to its core business. Despite a mix of fanboy and haters opinions W7 was pretty darn good.

Though I am Mac person I am actually excited about W8 and I do think it will refine to what W7 is. From a few play s with the W8 we have as a beta on a work PC I'm seriously considering an Alienware with W8 when it's released.

Metro, to me is meh... It's not bad I just ant see it working as well in the hoe and work space as Microsoft expects, it's not bad rathe I expect into be much more realized in W9
 

boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
6,382
7,631
Dude your getting a Dell!

You're getting something that looks like it came from a child's toy factory. I saw one in a store the other day and it looked like something designed by Willy Wonka and then built by the Terminator.

Btw, I have no idea whether the poster was referring to a laptop or a desktop, but in either case there are better options out there.
 

Huntn

macrumors Core
May 5, 2008
23,980
27,064
The Misty Mountains
Maybe you guys can straighten me out. My understanding is that W8 will function exactly the same way on computers as on tablets? If so, imo, that is a huge mistake. I know I'd not want to be using IOS on my MBP. Keeping them similar but separate like Apple is doing seems like a better way to approach it.
 

boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
6,382
7,631
Maybe you guys can straighten me out. My understanding is that W8 will function exactly the same way on computers as on tablets? If so, imo, that is a huge mistake. I know I'd not want to be using IOS on my MBP. Keeping them similar but separate like Apple is doing seems like a better way to approach it.

Don't think of it like that. Think of it as having the option to use iOS or OSX on your MBP or iPad and being able to switch at any time depending on what you need to do at the time. I'm very confident that MSFT has come up with the best solution so far. Rather than two separate OSs, they've made one that can do everything.
 
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ezekielrage_99

macrumors 68040
Oct 12, 2005
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Dude your getting a Dell!

I know that but the company I work for gets a 25% fleet deal discount on dell computers for its employees, thus the "considering getting an Alienware".

And I'm really liking to look of an AMD 7970m with 2GB ram ;)
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
Don't think of it like that. Think of it as having the option to use iOS or OSX on your MBP or iPad and being able to switch at any time depending on what you need to do at the time. I'm very confident that MSFT has come up with the best solution so far. Rather than two separate OSs, they've made one that everything.

This. People are complaining that it is too tablety for desktops. The solution is just to not use the tablet features. They're not meant to be used on a tablet just as the desktop features aren't meant to be used for tablets.

I do wish MS would have provided an option to have either one interface or another, but I'm pleasantly impressed with their UI merger.
 

Sylon

macrumors 68020
Feb 26, 2012
2,032
80
Michigan/Ohio, USA
After having a couple days to mess with Windows 8 via Parallels on my Macbook, I'm actually pretty impressed. It took some time adjusting settings and making some changes to better suit my needs, but so far I'm really liking it. Metro doesn't need to be used like its setup right out of the box. I don't prefer my pictures, videos and music to be played on Metro, so I changed it. It's as simple as right-clicking. All the original programs we know about Windows are there, ie: WMP, Picture Viewer, etc. Metro's media programs are not the best to be honest. However, I think Metro has some great features. Especially the news, sports and travel apps. The People app is pretty decent too, however lately I've had some issues with it freezing on me. Show stopper? Nope, this is a beta, things like this are expected to happen. Metro's ability to provide you with an enormous amount of information right at your finger tips without having to jump on a bunch of websites is great. I really like that I can access my media from my Xbox360 on my computer. Episodes of South Park that I bought on my Xbox I can now have on my Mac whenever I want. Well, right now that feature isn't working, but I bet it will in the final release.

I think Windows 8 will find a place on my 2 home PC's and my Macbook. I love the features and connectivity (once you set everything up and sign into your Live account 27 times). I think so far its pretty good. I'm typing this on Chrome in Windows 8 right now.
 

Huntn

macrumors Core
May 5, 2008
23,980
27,064
The Misty Mountains
After having a couple days to mess with Windows 8 via Parallels on my Macbook, I'm actually pretty impressed.

So was it better or just different? And is the God-awful registry still lurking about? I used Vista for about 2 years before I started having issues with it. I've been using W7 for about a year now and so far it's holding up ok, although I still prefer the MacOS which is better imo.

With Windows I still have issues with programs not going online as they should (which could be a vendor issue), more work to get connected to networks while traveling and mostly annoying things which I never have with the MacOS. I'm open minded and will continue to use Windows as long as there are games that play better there.
 

MorphingDragon

macrumors 603
Mar 27, 2009
5,159
6
The World Inbetween
I know that but the company I work for gets a 25% fleet deal discount on dell computers for its employees, thus the "considering getting an Alienware".

And I'm really liking to look of an AMD 7970m with 2GB ram ;)

Do yourself a favour and buy a desktop if you're going to play games. Gaming laptops work fine until you actually need to play games, then the cooling starts to break down.
 

ezekielrage_99

macrumors 68040
Oct 12, 2005
3,336
19
Do yourself a favour and buy a desktop if you're going to play games. Gaming laptops work fine until you actually need to play games, then the cooling starts to break down.

True, about the heat :(

Still am going to wait till the new MBPs are released then check my options. Though a new lappy would be a better option because I travel a lot and don't seem to have much space at home.

Still back to the point being I don't want to update till W8 is released.
 

G51989

macrumors 68030
Feb 25, 2012
2,530
10
NYC NY/Pittsburgh PA
Do yourself a favour and buy a desktop if you're going to play games. Gaming laptops work fine until you actually need to play games, then the cooling starts to break down.

Depends on the model, I've been a consistent Alienware customer because I like the look, I like to game. And the higher up models have the power I need to game, and do work on the go.

As long as he keeps it dusted out from time to time and doesnt leave it on carpet when the machine is loaded up, it'll be fine. Most Alienware laptops I've owned have been nice and thick with beefy cooling systems.
 
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