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cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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No worries. I think the shoe has been on the other foot in the past. :)

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You haven't SEEN a gaudy Apple log til you've seen the old style rainbow colored logos from right about the time Steve came back!

I can only imagine! I just don't like branding on stuff so that doesn't help. My iPhone 4S has that reflective apple...yuck...on my Xoom it says Verizon UNDER the glass on the front, its incredibly terrible. Thankfully its gray on black so its not too noticeable.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Do you tell people to ignore (and let it be) companies that dump toxic waste because it doesnt affect them? Apple is just a pesky company that make use of the flawed patent system to stifle its competitions (thru lawsuits) while at the same time steal from others. Are you telling people to condone this kind of despicable acts just because they dont affect them directly?

When others don't freely sue Apple doesnt mean that Apple is in the right (or they dont have a case against Apple). Not many companies have the money/resources to be bogged down in legal system. They rather spend those money in something more productive like R&D. Apple spend very little on R&D and they most probably think it is cheaper and easier to steal ideas from others than to invent them. Instead Apple has its multi-billion legal teams sniffing out legal loopholes in justice/patent system to be used against the competitions.

Apple has INITIATED more legal lawsuits than any other companies in the world. So yeah, everyone should stand up and denounce such underhand tactics of Apple.

Equating use of the flawed patent legal system to dumping toxic waste is idiotic first of all.

Second, I'd love to see some sources on that last claim - here's the wikipedia page for Apple litigation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation

Most of their lawsuits listed there really are about branding and the logo/trademarks more than anything.

Samsung really has done a bang up job getting the general consumer to think that through Apple's suit against them, somehow Apple does this to everyone.....when the reality is, there really have been the two major suits - against Samsung and HTC (as far as patents go). On the other hand they've been sued by Xerox, Motorola numerous times, Samsung (for using 3G tech....), Kodak and Nokia.

Again, get me some sources here and I'd love to take a look.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Two different philosophies because you view them as different because your double standard

No, wrong.

Two different philosophies because they are different companies and have different views and ideas about their mobile devices.

My "double standard" stems from the fact that I use my own needs and wants to judge smartphones and as such come up with two completely different ideas.

I.E. My family and friends all use iPhones - I have an iMac, iPad mini and AppleTVs, I like iOS and it does eveything I need it to do while making it easy to share with those I want to share with and keeping everything in sync across my entire tech world. Apple adds some new features, my response is:

"Wow those look neat, even though I don't need them great for Apple."

Conversely, a Samsung/Android device is somewhat foreign to me (I own an HTC One). None of my friends or family use it - some use dropbox, some use google services. Generally I need to share through facebook or by text or email to reach them all easily. I've got most of the services I use synced up, but there are hitches every now and then and my movie library isn't synced. I can't (maybe there's an app) natively stream anything from my Android to my AppleTVs. Samsung releases a new phone with tons of new features, my response is:

"Man, all those worthless features on that GS4 only serve to bog it down and eat up half the storage space. No thank you."

My thoughts about each are the same - I'm concerned with the ecosystem, the device, services and features as a package - the whole kit and kaboodle. Apple tends to design and release their phones that way - perhaps with fewer individual features, but generally with the better overall package. Android phones, on the other hand are jam packed with features. If I were to think from a feature-by-feature standpoint, I'd probably pick the Android. But that's not how I think or use my devices, hence the different responses to a similar event.

These are the differing philosophies:

Apple - polish and whole package
Android - features and specs

Now to be fair, Android has move into polish mode and there are some great Android devices out there (I own one as my daily personal smartphone). On the other hand, Apple is now adding features it has lacked due to their desire to polish everything before sending it out.

My friends, we're entering the maturity stage here. Both platforms started out in vastly different places and have been shaped by that start. But now they are somewhat overlapping and while each may add a feature or service the other has had, they still retain that philosophy or identity they started with. This is what makes each platform unique - this is why there are groups which flock to each, this is where the real choice in the smartphone and mobile device industry comes from.

I hope we never get an iOS/Android hybrid. Each should remain true to its beginnings and continue to evolve and improve.
 

daveathall

macrumors 68020
Aug 6, 2010
2,379
1,410
North Yorkshire
My point was not so much that it's always and only on the menu bar, but that carrier agreements are the reason they get mentioned up front. (whether on the lockscreen that disappears when you swipe it away, or in the menu bar.

It's not Apple that decides you get to see T-Mobile, or whoever your carrier is, plastered on the menu bar or lock screen.


Ahh, right, got ya. I agree, it is not the phone makers but the carriers that dictate the carrier badge. :)
 

JoeG4

macrumors 68030
Jan 11, 2002
2,873
539
It's funny how you use the term "Apple Fans". This IS an Apple enthusiast website. Not too hard to know who you are now. :rolleyes:

Being an Apple enthusiast back in the day just meant you really liked using Macs, and maybe iPods. It didn't mean you automatically preferred everything Apple makes for all of your electronics needs.

Then again, Samsung and Sony also make every single thing .. well, almost. Sony doesn't make routers.

Samsung makes computers, routers, phones, TVs, refrigerators. If you were a samsung fan you could outfit just about everything you could plug into a wall socket with a samsung version xD hrmm.. scary. I dunno why it bothers me when Apple tries to do the same but it does. I don't want to have to argue with my fellow Mac fans about why I don't have an Apple refrigerator.
 

mib1800

Suspended
Sep 16, 2012
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The only thing similar is the wallpaper, I don't get your point here? Any user can choose their own wallpaper. If an Android user chooses a wallpaper similar to mine on my iPhone, I wouldn't say 'Android are copying Apple'.

Apple sue the hell out of anyone who use slider to unlock because Apple thinks it was the greatest innovation to unlocking screen.

Samsung came out with the swipe to unlock from any position on the screen without need to visually locating an icon/slider (so as not get sued by Apple). Now Apple finds Samsung method of unlocking a better method and copied it.

What an irony this is. Apple should be ashamed and red-faced now. It is like admitting their patented slider unlock is not as good so they copied the competition. All this ruckus is because jackass Apple sued others using their slider unlock patent which to most people think is ridiculous.

So those saying Apple didnt copy should reflect on what I said above. Apple obviously deserves all the brickbats sent its way because of its low-life corporate behaviour.
 
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mib1800

Suspended
Sep 16, 2012
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Equating use of the flawed patent legal system to dumping toxic waste is idiotic first of all.

Second, I'd love to see some sources on that last claim - here's the wikipedia page for Apple litigation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation

Most of their lawsuits listed there really are about branding and the logo/trademarks more than anything.

Samsung really has done a bang up job getting the general consumer to think that through Apple's suit against them, somehow Apple does this to everyone.....when the reality is, there really have been the two major suits - against Samsung and HTC (as far as patents go). On the other hand they've been sued by Xerox, Motorola numerous times, Samsung (for using 3G tech....), Kodak and Nokia.

Again, get me some sources here and I'd love to take a look.

I think the ruckus is started by Apple when they sued others using ridiculous patents with prior arts (like the rectangle, slide-to-unlock, search). To almost everyone (except the die-hard Apple fans) Apple played dirty. Look at how many on-going lawsuits that have started because of this. I have never heard Samsung/Motorola/Google counter suing Apple around the world before Iphone came out.

Apple started the litigation frenzy and now everyone is suing and counter-suing. Most the news-making tech-related wireless/mobile patent litigations are related to Apple. You dont agree?

Maybe what Apple has done can equate to toxic waste dumping. How many billions of dollars were wasted in the litigation process. How much of creative+innovative process been stunted by Apple actions? How many lives have been affected by the redirecting of money to litigation instead of more productive use?
 
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jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I think the ruckus is started by Apple when they sued others using ridiculous patents with prior arts (like the rectangle, slide-to-unlock, search). To almost everyone (except the die-hard Apple fans) Apple played dirty. Look at how many on-going lawsuits that have started because of this. I have never heard Samsung/Motorola/Google counter suing Apple around the world before Iphone came out.

Apple started the litigation frenzy and now everyone is suing and counter-suing. Most the news-making tech-related wireless/mobile patent litigations are related to Apple. You dont agree?

Maybe what Apple has done can equate to toxic waste dumping. How many billions of dollars were wasted in the litigation process. How much of creative+innovative process been stunted by Apple actions? How many lives have been affected by the redirecting of money to litigation instead of more productive use?

I think you're being both naive and overdramatic.

Have a nice evening.
 

maxosx

macrumors 68020
Dec 13, 2012
2,385
1
Southern California
Nothing new here.

Long before iEverything, Apple copied all manner of designs and technologies from other companies.

I don't mind, it's just business and a pervasive practice that results in great products from all kinds of companies.
Copying / borrowing / stealing / helped make Apple who they are today.

Yes, yes, I know you want proof (link please?)

Try Google, there's a thousand threads spanning over two decades that speak of Apple's outright blatant practice. Even Jobs himself bragged about copying at one point.

It's only recently after Apple launched the initial fear based attack on Samsung, that the word "copy" took on an entirely new more controversial meaning.

Not too much unlike another word Apple used to attack Samsung. You know, the F word. (fragmentation) Blown out of proportion like never before.
 
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