Why is Apple trying to copy Android?

[mib1800]

Google makes way too much money from iOS devices to do that. If they took Apple on like that themselves, say hello to Bing as the default iOS search engine.

Remember iOS users desperate cry for Google Map/Youtube etc after the Apple versions were longer. You think iOS can survive without Gmap, youtube, gmail etc.

I hope Google do sue pesky Apple for blatant copying. Consumers too should go online to give bad feedback to Apple for being a hypocrite. This way Apple can get a taste of its foul stuff (i.e. lawsuits) that it keeps spewing from its behind. What goes around should come around.

 

[Technarchy]

Remember iOS users desperate cry for Google Map/Youtube etc after the Apple versions were longer. You think iOS can survive without Gmap, youtube, gmail etc.

Apple is using Bing for Siri integration...Apple clearly thinks they can survive just fine, and they are right.

 

[ReanimationN]

Remember iOS users desperate cry for Google Map/Youtube etc after the Apple versions were longer. You think iOS can survive without Gmap, youtube, gmail etc.

You think Google would be willing to say goodbye to all those mobile ad dollars?

The fact that Apple is using Bing for Siri searches is a very clear indication that Apple would have no qualms with cutting Google as iOS' default search provider. That's the reason why iOS devices receive Google's apps- the money that iOS users, using Google services on iOS, make Google, in turn make it too valuable for Google not to do it.

 

[Jibbajabba]

To be fair the icon's on my S3 were hardly beautiful to look at. They are just icon's that take you to the app. Its not like we are comparing lumps of dirt to the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel here! lol.

At least you can change the icons. With your own icons or whole themes when using different launcher (like Nova). The only time I see default icons on my phone is when reinstalling for whatever reason.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

At least you can change the icons. With your own icons or whole themes when using different launcher (like Nova). The only time I see default icons on my phone is when reinstalling for whatever reason.

To be honest as long as the icon is recognisable and gets me to the task I require, I couldn't really care how pretty it is. Those of you who enjoy customising things like icons are free to do so of course as its your thing, but its not really of interest to me. I enjoy using my phone and exploring new features and proposals for the future, but I don't dedicate a huge amount of time to it.

 

[cynics]

Can I get a couple more icons in that top bar?

It's not busy enough for my needs.

Is this better?

Battery percentage is removed automatically to make room.

 

[Drunken Master]

Is this better?

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Battery percentage is removed automatically to make room.

Sure, for all 5 people out there who actually use lock screen orientation and Do Not Disturb. And what the heck is that thing next to the battery.

It's busy, but you're trying hard to make it so. Steve Jobs hated having an icon on the top bar for everything for this very reason, they're unnecessary clutter. The Android ones are far uglier though.

 

[jrswizzle]

As usual you completely miss the point. If Apple had done this first they would have sued whoever was "inspired" by them.

Samsung got their arse handed to them because Apple seems to think they invented the rectangle.

The problem people have with Apple is not that they are copying or they are inspired by another's design - the outrage stems from the fact that they are complete and utter hypocrites.

Oh no, I got the point. It just wasn't a very good one.

And I think you guys keep this "Apple sues everyone" narrative going because it suits your agenda.....I really haven't heard much about ANY of these lawsuits lately because I think the media and consumers have grown tired of them.

The fact that people still either think or believe that Apple is the only company suing for "no reason" only proves that you really have no basis on which to make your claims and are simply grasping as straws.

And again, my original comment was to point out that all Apple has done is remove the darker bars from their lock screen and move to a thinner version of the font they've been using for years (and font which Android ironically enough has knocked off and called something completely different) and all of the sudden they are copying Android.....

Laughable. And even so - 2013 announcements have shown "copying" on both sides. Google comes up with Play Games (Game Center) - has Apple sued? No. Google adds reminder and alarm functionality to Google Now, which Siri has had. Is Apple suing? No. Google adds developer tools and APIs to compete with the iOS developer environment. Has Apple sued? No.

So forgive me if I think you guys are being a little childish when you complain that Apple is "copying Android's lock screen".

To be quite honest, what has Apple done to you? You don't approve of their legal actions, but as far as I've seen none of these trials have resulted in any vast negative effects for any of the companies involved (Samsung's loss has been re-looked at and they've got a lot of it back). So you don't like Apple, don't buy their stuff.....

There's no reason you have to come here and tell those of us who either don't care or think they're right that we can't like their stuff.

 

[cynics]

Sure, for all 5 people out there who actually use lock screen orientation and Do Not Disturb. And what the heck is that thing next to the battery.

It's busy, but you're trying hard to make it so. Steve Jobs hated having an icon on the top bar for everything for this very reason, they're unnecessary clutter. The Android ones are far uglier though.

Its a Bluetooth battery indicator. I was at the gym using a Bluetooth headset. I know a lot of people that lock the orientation and use DnD, more then 5. I find it obnoxious when I'm sitting for it to rotate or have to wait for it to rotate back and since I rarely use my phone in landscape why not just lock it? You saying "who uses those?" would probably be as foreign as me saying to you, who uses the alarm clock?

I wasn't trying hard to make it look like that, that's what it looks like everyday at the gym by coincidence. How would you use your phone if you wanted to listen to music via Bluetooth and not be bothered? I have a feeling it would look very similar to my status bar.

I don't see them as unnecessary either, maybe the locked orientation but the rest are things I'll need to know, hence why Apple puts them there.

 

[Irishman]

We all know that Android was the first OS in the world, and the first OS on a phone. Nobody NOBODY had anything before Android. Nobody.

So, nothing else matters other than being first?


Steve Wozniak famously said that he didn't want credit for making the first personal computer. He just wanted credit for making the first good one.

 

[MonkeySee....]

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Awful Awful comparison.

Just awful

 

[Irishman]

I feel the changes in iOS 7 is a step back into 2D.

You obviously didn't see the parallax view. Nothing 2D about that!

 

[Irishman]

Remember iOS users desperate cry for Google Map/Youtube etc after the Apple versions were longer. You think iOS can survive without Gmap, youtube, gmail etc.

I hope Google do sue pesky Apple for blatant copying. Consumers too should go online to give bad feedback to Apple for being a hypocrite. This way Apple can get a taste of its foul stuff (i.e. lawsuits) that it keeps spewing from its behind. What goes around should come around.

The major difference in attitude toward protecting intellectual property is that Apple copyrights pretty much everything. Google doesn't. Copying Android doesn't carry with it the same penalty as does copying Apple.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

I hope Google do sue pesky Apple for blatant copying.

So far this doesn't seem to be Google's style, but who knows!

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So you don't like Apple, don't buy their stuff.....

There's no reason you have to come here and tell those of us who either don't care or think they're right that we can't like their stuff.

To be fair, I've never said people can't like their stuff and i've owned numerous iPods, a number of iPads and i'm a die-hard Mac fan. I just really don't like the way they do business.

 

[zbarvian]

Better question is: why is Apple trying so hard to please its users? By adding all these oft-cited wishes and requests, they've totally lost their originality. And with a newbie at the helm of ALL design, they've lost their visual design touch as well. iOS 7 is utter crap. Words cannot convey my disappointment.

 

[jrswizzle]

To be fair, I've never said people can't like their stuff and i've owned numerous iPods, a number of iPads and i'm a die-hard Mac fan. I just really don't like the way they do business.

Fair enough.

Though I think the facts and details about what exactly Apple sues over and what they have patented versus what Google has patented gets lost in the frothing hate-pit that is the internet.

Maybe Apple's business practices don't bother me like Samsung's do because I tend to take 100% of what people say here and in other rumors and media outlets with a heaping bag-full of salt. I don't pretend to know the first thing about Apple's patents or their lawsuits and patent law, therefore I choose not to judge them.

I also know that pretty much every other company sues for things as well. Apple has suits levied against it constantly - heck, they are being sued by Samsung for using 3G tech. I guess Apple didn't pay the correct licensing or something?

At any rate, Samsung's blatant jabbing at anyone who doesn't conform to what they think a good smartphone is (with all its air and s-features) in just about every ad they put out leaves me with a much sourer taste in my mouth than some legal proceedings that (1) are part of the industry unfortunately and (2) I don't know a damn thing about.

Anyways, like you've owned Macs and iPods, I now own a Samsung TV and sure as heck don't boycott devices with Samsung components. Really all this fighting and bickering is a pointless waste of energy.

My biggest problem is with people who feel the need to put down the preferences and opinions of others because they don't agree. That's what I respond to here, that's what gets me fired up.

You'd all be much happier if you simply embraced the good and bad in each platform and used both, at least for a time. Just like I believe everyone should work in retail and as a waiter/waitress at some point in their lives.

Perspective is good.

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Apple is using Bing for Siri integration...Apple clearly thinks they can survive just fine, and they are right.

I'm surprised they didn't jump more into bed with Yahoo!.......

I suppose there goes my theory that we'd be hearing of a Yahoo acquisition sometime in the next few years.

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Better question is: why is Apple trying so hard to please its users? By adding all these oft-cited wishes and requests, they've totally lost their originality. And with a newbie at the helm of ALL design, they've lost their visual design touch as well. iOS 7 is utter crap. Words cannot convey my disappointment.

Have you used it? Maybe wait to so completely judge until you've had the chance to check it out.

Even better, how about waiting until its actually in its final state....

 

[Jibbajabba]

Awful Awful comparison.

Just awful

Awful? That's just reality

 

[jrswizzle]

Remember iOS users desperate cry for Google Map/Youtube etc after the Apple versions were longer. You think iOS can survive without Gmap, youtube, gmail etc.

I hope Google do sue pesky Apple for blatant copying. Consumers too should go online to give bad feedback to Apple for being a hypocrite. This way Apple can get a taste of its foul stuff (i.e. lawsuits) that it keeps spewing from its behind. What goes around should come around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation

Read.

Just as many lawsuits filed against Apple as Apple has filed against others. Really the main reason you people get so butthurt about this litigation has to do with the Samsung case.

Other than that, Apple doesn't sure any more than any other company, and in fact get sued plenty.

Like anything, there are often nuggets of truth on both sides hidden in all the bullsh**.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Better question is: why is Apple trying so hard to please its users? By adding all these oft-cited wishes and requests, they've totally lost their originality. And with a newbie at the helm of ALL design, they've lost their visual design touch as well. iOS 7 is utter crap. Words cannot convey my disappointment.

I agree, iOS7 just killed iPhone's uniqueness.

 

[zbarvian]

Fair enough.

Though I think the facts and details about what exactly Apple sues over and what they have patented versus what Google has patented gets lost in the frothing hate-pit that is the internet.

Maybe Apple's business practices don't bother me like Samsung's do because I tend to take 100% of what people say here and in other rumors and media outlets with a heaping bag-full of salt. I don't pretend to know the first thing about Apple's patents or their lawsuits and patent law, therefore I choose not to judge them.

I also know that pretty much every other company sues for things as well. Apple has suits levied against it constantly - heck, they are being sued by Samsung for using 3G tech. I guess Apple didn't pay the correct licensing or something?

At any rate, Samsung's blatant jabbing at anyone who doesn't conform to what they think a good smartphone is (with all its air and s-features) in just about every ad they put out leaves me with a much sourer taste in my mouth than some legal proceedings that (1) are part of the industry unfortunately and (2) I don't know a damn thing about.

Anyways, like you've owned Macs and iPods, I now own a Samsung TV and sure as heck don't boycott devices with Samsung components. Really all this fighting and bickering is a pointless waste of energy.

My biggest problem is with people who feel the need to put down the preferences and opinions of others because they don't agree. That's what I respond to here, that's what gets me fired up.

You'd all be much happier if you simply embraced the good and bad in each platform and used both, at least for a time. Just like I believe everyone should work in retail and as a waiter/waitress at some point in their lives.

Perspective is good.

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I'm surprised they didn't jump more into bed with Yahoo!.......

I suppose there goes my theory that we'd be hearing of a Yahoo acquisition sometime in the next few years.

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Have you used it? Maybe wait to so completely judge until you've had the chance to check it out.

Even better, how about waiting until its actually in its final state....

Yup, I have used it. Downloaded the beta on a 4S. It's so unfinished and unpolished, and they failed at the visuals on all cylinders. It'll be better, but it ain't gonna be good by its release in a few months.

 

[jrswizzle]

Yup, I have used it. Downloaded the beta on a 4S. It's so unfinished and unpolished, and they failed at the visuals on all cylinders. It'll be better, but it ain't gonna be good by its release in a few months.

Funny, from what I've read and seen (albeit haven't used) it seems like a much better version than previous.

I think the icons aren't as cohesive as we'd expect from Apple, but all the added features seem great.

All-in-all, the new design is something that will take getting used to but its still iOS with added features. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[zbarvian]

Funny, from what I've read and seen (albeit haven't used) it seems like a much better version than previous.

I think the icons aren't as cohesive as we'd expect from Apple, but all the added features seem great.

All-in-all, the new design is something that will take getting used to but its still iOS with added features. Nothing wrong with that.

Wrong. The features are the best part, but there's nothing that we haven't seen before. And the design isn't an acquired taste, it's plain horrid.

 

[jrswizzle]

Wrong. The features are the best part, but there's nothing that we haven't seen before. And the design isn't an acquired taste, it's plain horrid.

By nothing we haven't seen before, do you mean "exist in some form on Android or another platform?"

My response is, so what? I'm not concerned about what an Android has. I'm concerned about my iPhone has. I'd prefer to utilize things within iOS versus Android. Not an apples to apples comparison for me.

As for the design - ok, I get you feel that way. I don't feel the same way. Apple's going to piss people off no matter what. All the cries of stale and boring before, now they change it and some people hate it.

Oh well. As I've said, there are plenty of good options out there. HTC One and Sense 5 really are superb.

EDIT: Actually I wanna go into this a little bit more......so you're telling me that none of the below make you happy or excited?

(1) Intelligent multitasking - apps learning your patterns and updating based on when you use them. Not to mention multitasking opened up to all apps and with no hit to the battery (claimed - one that given Apple's bent on efficiency I'd tend to believe).

(2) Control Center - quick toggles, flashlight, available from anywhere?

(3) AirDrop

(4) REALLY shared photo streams

(5) Additional sharing options

(6) more organized settings app

(7) Spotlight available from any home screen (frees up that left swipe from the main home screen for something else perhaps?)

(8) Siri improvements - better voice, control over system functions, more responsive

(9) APIs for all these things for devs - maps, gestures, gaming, Siri, sharing etc...

(10) Infinitely better weather

Those are the things I could think of from the WWDC announcement.....which is only a fraction of the actual features in iOS 7.

I find it hilarious that people are ignoring all of this because of some ugly (subjective) app icons. I actually like the transparency and I think it makes for some neat effects (like the Parallax and also a more dynamic themeing). I'm not saying I need all these things - I don't, but I'm certainly not going to bash Apple for implementing them and some of them I'll highly praise them for.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I'm not saying I need all these things - I don't, but I'm certainly not going to bash Apple for implementing them and some of them I'll highly praise them for.

Hm. Boy this sounds awfully familiar. Oh yes, I said the same thing about Samsung. I wonder, where this level of acceptance was for Samsung when they implemented a plethora of things you didn't find useful?

So, if the competition comes up with things that aren't immediately useful or useful to you, they're not really doing anything special. But if Apple comes up with things that you just admitted isn't useful to you, hey, you're not going to bash them for it -- why would anyone do that?!

I'm certainly not bashing Apple for it. But I don't bash Samsung either.

If you'll see my posts in the other S4 threads, I'm not digging the S4. Hardly at all.

But how can anyone say Samsung isn't innovating? Whether you'll use it personally or not, they are introducing new things. Air Gesture? I mean, gimmicky or not (it is gimmicky) this is one of the first steps toward a gesture-based world.

Eye recognition software getting even better? Have you seen Minority Report? This is where it starts (for better or worse).

This is pushing and shaping the lanscape of technology. And they should be commended for trying, not berated for not making everything immediately useful.

 

[Apollo 13]

iOS 7 looks good to me. Change the wallpaper and it won't look so girlly. I have no reason to move back to android. Google releases all their software on iOS and iOS made some necessary changes to plz me. So what's the point in moving over other a bigger screen? I have an iPad for that. Customization? That gets old quick.