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fivenotrump

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Apr 15, 2009
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On that note, does anyone remember Silicon Graphics workstations? Those were extremely ahead of their time as well (and cost far more than any Mac) and their UI was amazing with what it could pull off. Irix coupled with EarthWatch--well, just watch the first Jurassic Park movie and you'll see bits of it.
Silly-G made marvellous workstations, we had several Octanes and Indigos along with Apollos and Suns.
 
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adamlbiscuit

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Sep 22, 2008
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Personally I think Big Sur looks as nice as the wallpaper you choose to use with it. No other version of macOS has been so heavily influenced by what you choose as your Desktop background. If you’re not too certain, try a different background and maybe you’ll find it easier on the eyes.
 

MadeTheSwitch

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Apr 20, 2009
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To each’s own. But I don’t think Big Sur is ugly. In fact, I prefer it over Catalina, and appreciate that they are trying to unify the look and feel across devices since I also use an ipad and iphone.
 
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nickdalzell1

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I personally prefer 'device identity' as in having an appropriate UI for the task the device was intended for. A tablet UI for tablets, focusing mainly on media consumption or reading books; Phone UI for a phone that makes the smaller screen best for specific apps such as music playback, contact management, phone calls, text messages, etc; and a laptop/desktop specific UI intended for productivity, presentations, etc. I don't like everything being homogenized. At all. It's boring, feels like work, and flat UI is harsh on the eyes. I get headaches just looking at it. We only have dark mode and night shift to compensate for it. Those features shouldn't be needed unless it's to fix an underlying problem with the UI. I'll say this again, for the Nth time: A tablet or smartphone will never replace a laptop or desktop computer. Ever. That's always a pipe dream.
 

eljanitor

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Feb 10, 2011
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This is all my option, but I've heard some hate on Big Sur here and there as well. My question is, why does Apple want to make Mac OS into IOS like seriously; I've always liked how good and "professional" OS X looked, but now it just looks so unprofessional...

And when Apple pushes this update, do you think it is safe for me to stay on Catalina?

Like I just got my new Mac, and I see this

So just as Apple used to run on (Apple)DOS long ago they modified Xeroxs' OS and called it MAC OS ( Microsoft modified it and called it Windows). Now we have the UNIX based OSX operating system and if you didn't know Apple decided that the iOS interface is what most people prefer today.

Software interface design changes overt time and if you want to keep using the latest products sometimes you have to just have to accept the changes. (Even if you don't like it)
 

nickdalzell1

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I don't have to accept anything. I don't have to 'get used to it'. I just use something else that caters to me. I refuse, outright refuse to become part of eternal flat UI land. If the changes were actually future-forward improvements and not bland homogenizing into what appears to be a modern take on the 1980s computer UX design I'd be all for it. But iOS 7 and Yosemite was only the first in the line of regressing. We aren't using EGA monitors or CRTs. Why are we pulling off an interface more fitting to that?!
 

nickdalzell1

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I'd love to believe design does cycles and all that. But we had skeuo for 6 years, and we're still stuck with flat UI design in 2021, 8 years later. It's not showing signs of slowing yet. I hear all this about 'neuomorphism' but that almost ends up being Material Design 2.x, tons of white, mainly flat UI but some sort of minor transparency to just remind us what we lost in 2013. Thankfully I am unaffected now, given I'm back to my old Android 2.3 phone and my laptop runs Linux with a proper theme and many old apps run fine on it.
 

headcode

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Apr 15, 2008
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And when Apple pushes this update, do you think it is safe for me to stay on Catalina?

Oh how I wish I could go back to Catalina!

Big Sur is the very antithesis of what Apple used to be about. The chrome in Safari is one big white area (or annoyingly colored to match the current background) with no distinction between anything.

Another example of regressive design is that in Finder there is zero feedback to the user when clicking an eject icon. No change of color or icon on either rollover or press. Frankly, that disgusts me.
 

LunarFalcon

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Dec 3, 2007
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I think it would work better if there was another theme with some middle ground. The light theme is too much white, and the dark theme is too much black. I'd like if there was a more balanced gray-ish theme in-between those 2.

My biggest problems are that there isn't enough contrast between active and inactive windows, and not enough contrast between window chrome and content. It all kind of runs together in a way that's kind of exhausting for the eyes.
 

colourfastt

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Apr 7, 2009
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I think it would work better if there was another theme with some middle ground. The light theme is too much white, and the dark theme is too much black. I'd like if there was a more balanced gray-ish theme in-between those 2.

My biggest problems are that there isn't enough contrast between active and inactive windows, and not enough contrast between window chrome and content. It all kind of runs together in a way that's kind of exhausting for the eyes.

This, in my not so humble opinion, was Apple's best UI/UX. Note the contrast between the elements—and there's even COLOUR on the icons in the Finder sidebar!!

Leopard_Desktop.png
 

Feyl

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This, in my not so humble opinion, was Apple's best UI/UX. Note the contrast between the elements—and there's even COLOUR on the icons in the Finder sidebar!!

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Yes. Apple should've just refreshed this design and keep the design principles that they've perfected over the years and which they were known for. There was no need to throw everything away just for the sake of change and redesign their systems with low contrast, excessive translucency and childish color tones. Since iOS 7 and OS X Yosemite I can't even pick the perfect wallpaper that would go well with the dock and blurry menus.
 

Blue Quark

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Oct 25, 2020
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Big Sur is a big toy and not a professional OS. Sorry, disagree with me if you want. But it is and bricks systems each time an update comes out ! I stopped upgrading Mac OS because it’s not worth it anymore due the fact each year a new one comes out - Pathetic
Well, if we're talking visually, then I'd have to disagree. I think every iteration of Mac OS X or macOS that I've ever touched has looked very nice, and quite professional.

If, on the other hand, we're talking functionality, then I'd be more inclined to agree. Apple cherry-picks stuff they didn't invent to include, leaving out the rest, including things which wouldn't even cost them any money. Windows is marginally better in those respects, but honestly nothing comes close to what most of the major, mainstream Linux distros offer. Beyond that, Cinnamon really incorporates the best bits of what Apple had with Classic Mac OS and the Aqua environment, and those few "really good" bits found in Windows 95-7. Picking the "English (intl., with AltGR dead keys)" keyboard layout as the default then completes matters.

At best, macOS occupies a niche market space, and does not begin to compete with either Linux or Windows outside of that.

My greatest regret is that I bought my M1 MacBook Air. It's a very beautiful and elegant piece of hardware — and in my view the M1 represents the next wave in CPU architecture — but had I known about Apple's little backdoor project, there isn't a chance in hell I'd have gotten it.
 

adamlbiscuit

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Sep 22, 2008
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Yes. Apple should've just refreshed this design and keep the design principles that they've perfected over the years and which they were known for. There was no need to throw everything away just for the sake of change and redesign their systems with low contrast, excessive translucency and childish color tones. Since iOS 7 and OS X Yosemite I can't even pick the perfect wallpaper that would go well with the dock and blurry menus.
Whilst I do like Big Surs look overall, something you said there really struck a chord for me, and it was the wallpaper comment.

I spend so much time trawling through reams of desktop wallpapers, trying to find something that will complement the look of the system and go well with its elements. Unfortunately there's so many fantastic images out there that look great on their own, but the moment I go to set them as a wallpaper I just think 'no'. I'll hate the way the menubar looks with it, or the Dock, or how the windows look against it.

I've said it before but I'll say it again - Big Sur looks as good as the wallpaper you choose to go with it.
 
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Feyl

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Whilst I do like Big Surs look overall, something you said there really struck a chord for me, and it was the wallpaper comment.

I spend so much time trawling through reams of desktop wallpapers, trying to find something that will complement the look of the system and go well with its elements. Unfortunately there's so many fantastic images out there that look great on their own, but the moment I go to set them as a wallpaper I just think 'no'. I'll hate the way the menubar looks with it, or the Dock, or how the windows look against it.

I've said it before but I'll say it again - Big Sur looks as good as the wallpaper you choose to go with it.
I look at it the same way. It sucks that I have so many beautiful wallpapers but can't use them. If you use bright wallpaper then the menubar is very bright too and barely readeable. If I use colorful wallpapers then the dock turns into a batik mess. The dock also don't get along with some colors like green or red. Didn't have that problem before they redesigned their systems. With the old design you didn't have to adapt to it.
 

Nicole1980

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Well, if we're talking visually, then I'd have to disagree. I think every iteration of Mac OS X or macOS that I've ever touched has looked very nice, and quite professional.

If, on the other hand, we're talking functionality, then I'd be more inclined to agree. Apple cherry-picks stuff they didn't invent to include, leaving out the rest, including things which wouldn't even cost them any money. Windows is marginally better in those respects, but honestly nothing comes close to what most of the major, mainstream Linux distros offer. Beyond that, Cinnamon really incorporates the best bits of what Apple had with Classic Mac OS and the Aqua environment, and those few "really good" bits found in Windows 95-7. Picking the "English (intl., with AltGR dead keys)" keyboard layout as the default then completes matters.

At best, macOS occupies a niche market space, and does not begin to compete with either Linux or Windows outside of that.

My greatest regret is that I bought my M1 MacBook Air. It's a very beautiful and elegant piece of hardware — and in my view the M1 represents the next wave in CPU architecture — but had I known about Apple's little backdoor project, there isn't a chance in hell I'd have gotten it.
You still haven't mentioned what 'backdoor project' you're referring to.

BTW, I'm still on Mojave. Love it. Won't leave it until if/when I actually get a new Mac. My daughter is in line for the upcoming MacBook Pro (as long as it's not too ungodly expensive) but me, I'll stick with my good ol' Intel machines and Mojave for the foreseeable future.
 
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Blue Quark

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You still haven't mentioned what 'backdoor project' you're referring to.

BTW, I'm still on Mojave. Love it. Won't leave it until if/when I actually get a new Mac. My daughter is in line for the upcoming MacBook Pro (as long as it's not too ungodly expensive) but me, I'll stick with my good ol' Intel machines and Mojave for the foreseeable future.
Their so-called "child porn scanner" thing.
 

sunoohearts

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Jan 24, 2022
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its 2022 and im still using catalina (crying) i really dont want to update but due to the issues im having with my macbooks battery life im going to have to :(
 

dblissmn

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Apr 30, 2002
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This is like the proverbial chicken joke -- why did the chicken cross the road, to get to the other side.....except existential rather than active; it's "why is Big Sur so ugly, because somebody thought it was attractive."
 
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