Why is quitting iOS11 apps so difficult?

[willmtaylor]

No one specific since that seems to be the general opinion. I've proved it myself time and time again though that if you kill snapchat or other social media apps it makes a huge affect on limiting battery drain from such apps. iOS must operate a little different than described or these apps are violating how they're suppose to operate.

Odd, as I haven't seen anyone say that. Seems a bit of a straw man.

From my experience, the consensus is that in general, quitting all apps repeatedly is wasted effort and actually does that opposite of what most people think it does.

However, in certain cases, apps are abusing background processes and should be quit. E.g. Snapchat, Facebook, etc.

 

[stooovie]

Killing apps is a last-resort measure, it is not encouraged and the UX reflects that. It's still fairly easy.

 

[itsmilo]

literally no one i know leaves apps "open" and even on public transport i see people occasionally swipe all their apps away. i do the same for social media apps and the alike, say whatever you want, from my experience they drain battery even in "frozen" state and since there is no indicator to see what app is actually continuously running i just want to be sure

 

[KALLT]

literally no one i know leaves apps "open" and even on public transport i see people occasionally swipe all their apps away.

In my experience, most people either do not know better or have some kind of fiddling quirk (a.k.a. ‘OCD’). The biggest culprit seems to be false expectations based on Windows and Android behaviour.

i do the same for social media apps and the alike, say whatever you want, from my experience they drain battery even in "frozen" state and since there is no indicator to see what app is actually continuously running i just want to be sure

Once apps are frozen (suspended), they cannot become active again, unless you have enabled ‘background app refresh’ and location services are set to ‘always’. Otherwise, they can only stay active in the background, preventing them from becoming suspended. This the case for apps that are listening for incoming VoIP calls, recording audio, playing music, finishing a download or are controlling an accessory (e.g. Bluetooth).

 

[daveak]

Thread title is INCORRECT. Apps quit when you exit them. They will ONLY run some updates/API's calls in the background if you allow and most are minimal. However the app in NOT open. "Killing" them is basically removing them from the fast app switcher and not necessary.

This is wrong. Apps do not quit at all, they stay in memory, they are paused unless they use one of the background apis. They are only stopped if the system requires more memory, apps are then informed of this, if more memory is still required apps are then closed by the system.

You are partially correct about being removed from the app switcher, it only kills apps when they are still in memory.

 

[rui no onna]

There were several developer sessions were Apple implicitly supported the presumption that closing apps uses more battery. RAM is about the cheapest resource you have available on your device, as loading data from disk or from the network and processing it with the CPU costs relatively more energy. Apple encourages developers to minimise I/O and maximise CPU idling. Force-closing means that the memory for that app is purged and all data needs to be loaded from disk and processed into memory the next time you open that app.

It is generally a good idea to use the devices as intended. Although Apple (stupidly) decided to make it easier for users to close apps in iOS 7 (they even proudly showed how you can swipe away multiple apps at once), they still do not see closing apps as the norm.

Would be great if Apple actually puts lots of RAM on their devices. With just 2GB on the Air 2 and Pro 9.7, I'd rather reload apps (which rarely get used) from disk as long as it frees up memory for active apps (for Safari mostly). I don't find iOS to be aggressive enough in freeing up RAM for active apps.

 

[Julien]

This is wrong. Apps do not quit at all, they stay in memory, they are paused unless they use one of the background apis. They are only stopped if the system requires more memory, apps are then informed of this, if more memory is still required apps are then closed by the system.....

Semantics and if you want I will say that QUITE is the WRONG term. However they are not open as in NOT OPEN and running and that is the main point. Apps are NOT OPEN in the background and running willy nilly using up battery and NEED to be forced closed to stop them.

..When you double-click the Home button, your recently used apps appear. The apps aren’t open [and Julien is WRONG in using the word quite even though they are not open], but they're in standby mode to help you navigate and multitask....

Do you feel better and super superior now?

 

[Tycho24]

Would you find where Apple says that it wastes power to kill an app? Appreciate the link. I'm serious I have heard this before and I'd like to know for sure what Apples position is.

I don’t have a link; but I remember the circumstances.
It was a developer asking Craig Federighi point blank in an email.
Craig replied- I don’t close down my apps, there is NO need, from a battery savings perspective.

If we could choose one person at Apple that would know best... it’s Craig!

I still close apps on iPhone for ease of finding the app state I’m looking for- typically don’t have more than three in my app switcher.
However, with the new multitasking interface on iPad, I leave open apps to fill the four main spaces, and only close apps when they extend to a 2nd screen.
For me, since two of those four windows holds an app pairing... I always have six apps open, doubling what I find convenient & manageable on the iPhone!

 

[Tycho24]

Omg!!!
How’s everyone’s experience w/ beta 3??

Same multitasking interface......... but NO MORE “x” to get out of apps; it’s the familiar “swipe up to dismiss”.

 

[blackxacto]

How does one update a beta? 15A5304j was the beta I started with. I’ve received no update notices. There are none in App Store, or Feedback App. I still have the x’s to quit all apps.

 

[Tycho24]

How does one update a beta? 15A5304j was the beta I started with. I’ve received no update notices. There are none in App Store, or Feedback App. I still have the x’s to quit all apps.

Toggle between wifi & cellular when trying software update...
If you still get the “your software is up to date” message; simply run the beta config profile again and you’ll immediately get offered the new version... I’ve had this happen before- getting randomly stuck on one beta.

 

[thadoggfather]

Killing apps is a last-resort measure, it is not encouraged and the UX reflects that. It's still fairly easy.

lol I agree with the first part but is that why b3 made it easier with swipe up?

 

[blackxacto]

run the beta config profile again

Where did you find this profile?

 

[blackxacto]

Ok, figured out. I trashed my profile, re downloaded a new profile. I get the same iOS11 update. Not sure how you are seeing no x's. Tycho24, perhaps you can explain how you are seeing the swipe away instead of x's.

 

[Tycho24]

Where did you find this profile?

It’s under: https://beta.apple.com/, the “enroll your devices” option will let you download a fresh copy.
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Ok, figured out. I trashed my profile, re downloaded a new profile. I get the same iOS11 update. Not sure how you are seeing no x's. Tycho24, perhaps you can explain how you are seeing the swipe away instead of x's.

Which iPad is it, btw?
On my 10.5”, the version is: 15A5318g

 

[blackxacto]

Using a 10.5 iPad Pro. I went to the site, on the iPad Pro, downloaded, and it only gives me the original 15A5304j (I downloaded the first time). According to the letters I have the latest version "j". But not sure how that works.

 

[Tycho24]

Using a 10.5 iPad Pro. I went to the site, on the iPad Pro, downloaded, and it only gives me the original 15A5304j (I downloaded the first time). According to the letters I have the latest version "j". But not sure how that works.

Ok... last choice is to make a backup, then do the restore to iOS 10. Then go to restore from backup; it should give you the message that you need to update your iOS version to restore from that backup & prompt you to update and restore.

 

[purplefuku]

It’s a developer only beta 3 right now. The new public beta will be out soon.
And yes, swipe up to kill apps is restored in beta 3.

Ok... last choice is to make a backup, then do the restore to iOS 10. Then go to restore from backup; it should give you the message that you need to update your iOS version to restore from that backup & prompt you to update and restore.

 

[thadoggfather]

It’s a developer only beta 3 right now. The new public beta will be out soon.
And yes, swipe up to kill apps is restored in beta 3.

It was a wise decision

 

[blackxacto]

Ok... last choice is to make a backup, then do the restore to iOS 10. Then go to restore from backup; it should give you the message that you need to update your iOS version to restore from that backup & prompt you to update and restore.

I backed up to latest iTunes. Am in Restore Hell. Everytime I restore, I am asked to restore again. The iPad Pro will not stop starting up pointing to iTunes USB connection.

Should never have tried to go back to 10. Sounds like you have a developers upgrade. I am not a developer. Wish that had been made clear.

 

[Jayson A]

You're not supposed to quit apps people. Why do people insist on closing the app after they're done with it? It's not taking up any processing power or battery to just leave the app.

 

[willmtaylor]

You're not supposed to quit apps people. Why do people insist on closing the app after they're done with it? It's not taking up any processing power or battery to just leave the app.

This has been discussed and explained ad nauseum.

You'd do well to read threads before posting in them.

 

[Jayson A]

This has been discussed and explained ad nauseum.

You'd do well to read threads before posting in them.

There's no benefit to closing apps.

 

[willmtaylor]

There's no benefit to closing apps.

Actually, there is, and your incredibly sweeping and generalized statement make it clear that you haven’t the slightest what you’re talking about.

Still couldn't be bothered to read the thread you're posting in, eh? lol

 

[Abazigal]

You're not supposed to quit apps people. Why do people insist on closing the app after they're done with it? It's not taking up any processing power or battery to just leave the app.

Apps do malfunction once in a while. Or you don't want your app to show up in the multitasking pane (for example, I force-quit a game so my students don't see it when I use multitasking in class). This isn't something I do very often, but there definitely is a need for it.