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Jayson A

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Apps do malfunction once in a while. Or you don't want your app to show up in the multitasking pane (for example, I force-quit a game so my students don't see it when I use multitasking in class). This isn't something I do very often, but there definitely is a need for it.

I understand quitting an app if there's a problem, but since it happens every once in a while, it shouldn't be annoying. Also, yes I read that you can swipe up again to quit them.
 
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Mlrollin91

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There's no benefit to closing apps.
Battery benefits are massive if you are closing out the proper apps. Keep Facebook, Snapchat, Waze open 24/7, say good-bye to your battery. There are apps that benefit from closing out of memory and others that don't. Those 3 apps are only a small example of what you should close out when finished.
 

Abazigal

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I understand quitting an app if there's a problem, but since it happens every once in a while, it shouldn't be annoying. Also, yes I read that you can swipe up again to quit them.

I guess it's more of "swipe up to dismiss was working fine before. Why change it to something which is actually more cumbersome to use?" Not so much a debate as to how often one will need to use said gesture.
 
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Feenician

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Battery benefits are massive if you are closing out the proper apps. Keep Facebook, Snapchat, Waze open 24/7, say good-bye to your battery. There are apps that benefit from closing out of memory and others that don't. Those 3 apps are only a small example of what you should close out when finished.

Yep. In theory, you don't need to close out apps. In practice you most certainly do need to close some of them out. Either because they're poorly written, or abuse background services.

I'm glad Apple is doing the blue bar for apps using GLONASS in the background. If you have Waze open but aren't navigating there is no reason for it to be tracking with this intensity. It should be subscribing to the global location services info if it wants to do location aware things in the background.
 

blackxacto

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I guess it's more of "swipe up to dismiss was working fine before. Why change it to something which is actually more cumbersome to use?" Not so much a debate as to how often one will need to use said gesture.

You will not get the swipe up to quit in the public ios11 beta. It is only in the developers ios11 beta.
I have downloaded the public beta twice, and no swipe up to quit.

If swipe up to quit has returned, then that closes this forum question I started. Thanks for everyone’s participation.
 
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Feenician

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You will not get the swipe up to quit in the public ios11 beta. It is only in the developers ios11 beta.
I have downloaded the public beta twice, and no swipe up to quit.

If swipe up to quit has returned, then that closes this forum question I started. Thanks for everyone’s participation.

It is in the Public Beta 2 released today.
 

blackxacto

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Just updated to beta 2. The swipe to quit is AWESOME. The keyboard is AWESOME. Will not be returning to ios10.
 

Jayson A

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Battery benefits are massive if you are closing out the proper apps. Keep Facebook, Snapchat, Waze open 24/7, say good-bye to your battery. There are apps that benefit from closing out of memory and others that don't. Those 3 apps are only a small example of what you should close out when finished.

I don't use any of those apps and as for Facebook, don't enable location and it won't be able to stay active in the background. I'm not really sure why Facebook has gotten away with this for so long. I find the website to be perfectly fine for Facebook.

I never close apps though and my battery life is fine.
 

Mlrollin91

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I don't use any of those apps and as for Facebook, don't enable location and it won't be able to stay active in the background. I'm not really sure why Facebook has gotten away with this for so long. I find the website to be perfectly fine for Facebook.

I never close apps though and my battery life is fine.
"I never close apps though and my battery life is fine"

Thats because you don't know any different because you never close apps. Go a month with always closing apps, you will see your battery life increase.

As to Facebook, even with location services off, it can still run in the background. Facebook is notorious for running in the background with background refresh off, location off, notifications off and the app even closed out. You can verify this with Xcode and instruments. Other apps find a way to do it as well.
 

onepoint

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PSA: in the iPad app switcher you can simultaneously tap+swipe all 4 visible apps to get rid of them faster (in Public Beta 2, at least)
 
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Jayson A

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"I never close apps though and my battery life is fine"

Thats because you don't know any different because you never close apps. Go a month with always closing apps, you will see your battery life increase.

As to Facebook, even with location services off, it can still run in the background. Facebook is notorious for running in the background with background refresh off, location off, notifications off and the app even closed out. You can verify this with Xcode and instruments. Other apps find a way to do it as well.

I disagree. I see no difference with leaving apps open. Just because the app is paused and stored in the RAM, doesn't mean it's running.
 
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willmtaylor

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I disagree. I see no difference with leaving apps open. Just because the app is paused and stored in the RAM, doesn't mean it's running.
AGAIN, this is true for most apps, but several apps (E.g. Facebook) disregard this and have devised ways of continuing to run in the background regardless of the iOS setting.

Quitting these apps (if used on a regular basis) makes a substantial difference.
 

Jayson A

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AGAIN, this is true for most apps, but several apps (E.g. Facebook) disregard this and have devised ways of continuing to run in the background regardless of the iOS setting.

Quitting these apps (if used on a regular basis) makes a substantial difference.

How about don't use those apps that break the rules. The Facebook website works perfectly fine.
 

Tycho24

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What’s the difference between ios 11 keyboard and the old one?

Having an alt row of characters that you’d usually have to toggle the numeric keyboard to access, is the main one...
The grey characters are accessible by swiping down on the key.
IMG_5222.jpg
 
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EdwardGreene

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SYAC: The key takeaway from Gruber's article:
"So if you want to keep force quitting Facebook, go right ahead. But don’t let one bad app spoil the whole barrel. The Battery section in the iOS Settings app can show you which apps are actually consuming energy in the background — tap the clock icon under “Battery Usage” and don’t force quit any app that isn’t a genuine culprit."
 
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Jayson A

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SYAC: The key takeaway from Gruber's article:
"So if you want to keep force quitting Facebook, go right ahead. But don’t let one bad app spoil the whole barrel. The Battery section in the iOS Settings app can show you which apps are actually consuming energy in the background — tap the clock icon under “Battery Usage” and don’t force quit any app that isn’t a genuine culprit."

Exactly! Don't use the Facebook app if it kills your battery.
 

Krevnik

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Exactly! Don't use the Facebook app if it kills your battery.

Also turn off Background Refresh for the app so it doesn't get the background time in the first place. Can save you from having to force quit in many cases.
 

Jayson A

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Also turn off Background Refresh for the app so it doesn't get the background time in the first place. Can save you from having to force quit in many cases.

Doesn't matter in the case of the Facebook app. I believe it uses location services to stay alive in the background regardless of turning background activity off.
 
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thadoggfather

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I’m actually thoroughly enjoying iOS 11 on 12.9 gen2

Feels jailbroken a bit with swipe up to multitasker and tap blank space to return to home button

Eliminating need for home button use

If it had dark mode I’d probably shut up about everything else jailbreak wise on a tablet

But I’d still prefer a jailbreak too for a few other fine tunes. And the freedom

But color me somewhat impressed. I still think iPad has so much untapped potential but this is a great step from previous iOS’es that seem to have completely neglected the tablet use case

With beta3 swipe up to kill app is easy to kill apps
 

Jayson A

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I’m actually thoroughly enjoying iOS 11 on 12.9 gen2

Feels jailbroken a bit with swipe up to multitasker and tap blank space to return to home button

Eliminating need for home button use

If it had dark mode I’d probably shut up about everything else jailbreak wise on a tablet

But I’d still prefer a jailbreak too for a few other fine tunes. And the freedom

But color me somewhat impressed. I still think iPad has so much untapped potential but this is a great step from previous iOS’es that seem to have completely neglected the tablet use case

With beta3 swipe up to kill app is easy to kill apps

What do you mean by tap blank space to return home? I haven't used iOS 11.
 
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