Why Macs are better than PC's?

[bladerunner2000]

No, they aren't. The Mac guys are defensive as always. The PC guys too, but never as much as the Mac guys. I was on a Mac forum today that I subscribe to. The question was is Malwarebytes for Mac available? His query was based on malware and adware. So I say it is available, and that while Macs don't get viruses or trojans supposedly, Malwarebytes is a well respected PC software. Then, a reply, that talked about Mac viruses, and early Macs, blah blah blah. Did;t answer the question just defended Macs and ran down Windoze. Thats what Apple users do.

I use both. I moved to a Mac almost two years ago. I like it, but I have grumblings over simple things that are clunky. I go to work, using Windows, yes it looks not as pretty, but its easy to do what I want without bypassing some OSX missing capability. Featurewise they all do the same things in similar or different ways. Gestures are a Mac feature and great it is.

Some talk about better looking? Check some Windows based PC's and laptops. Windows 10 will also pickup some cool Mac features too.

Well compared to other threads ive seen around here, it's been relatively civil. However, you need not tell me about how great PC's can look, I've got a Hackintosh build right now and am loving my case. There are PLENTY of cases that can easily rival a Mac case... but pretty much any modern case will run circles around a Mac when it comes to functionality (airflow, cooling, swapping parts, etc).

 

[subsonix]

Did you miss the part where I said Commodore was out of business long before Windows 95 came into being? Trying to compare a PC from 1990 with an Amiga is absurd. There was no competition what-so-ever in terms of capability. Business used PCs for a very different reason and what-so-ever you may believe about the sacred "Mac" being still around, it didn't fare any better after Windows95 came out.

Good that you decided to bump this high quality thread..

No, I didn't miss that part. Commodore closed up in 1994, and I clearly said that I didn't discount the ineptitude of the management. But I think the original post that jokingly said that this thread wouldn't exist if Commodore was still around missed the elephant in the room. Going forward and face competition that came from more high end machines would mean large investments and probably a CPU switch from 68k, as seen in other manufacturers like Silicon Graphics, Sun and Apple for example. It seems like they tried to go for the lower end home market instead which could be seen in the low cost Amiga 500 and their continued push for the C64. But as I said, I'm not discounting an inept management.

Had it not been for Steve Jobs, Apple would be in the same history books as Commodore as Apple was almost as inept as Commodore was.

I'm not disagreeing. I liked a post above that made the same remark.. The comment was not an attack on Commodore, I liked and preferred the more diverse options that was available before the PC monoculture took over. It seem like your comment is more of that sort, blaiming it all on management.

No, Microsoft survived because of BUSINESS, not gaming or hobby or home users. Business users became home users as a result of the need to work on projects at home.

You seem a bit agitated.. I don't believe I denied this, but as you note, when the prices of these machines came down they increasingly found their way into people's homes.

I'm saying that doesn't matter one bit what example was given as the tech still existed long before that.

If it exist as independent software, not part of the official system can credit really be given to Commodore or the Amiga as such though?

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

If it exist as independent software, not part of the official system can credit really be given to Commodore or the Amiga as such though?

That depends on whether you're talking about what a platform can do for the users or what the company itself can do for the users. If it's the former, then it matters. If not, then I guess it doesn't. Personally, I collected all kinds of 3rd party utilities to play around with, even before I had a hard drive (squeezed all kinds of goodies onto a floppy to make Workbench more useful and/or fun). Without using the Shell/CLI and/or something like Diskmaster, I think doing anything in Workbench would have been miserable. So yeah, I personally count 3rd party OS utilities and improvements.

 

[z31fanatic]

I didn't say it wasn't. But adding up all the individual components (without getting sales on them on Newegg) would cost about $800. That is less than the original price so again it is still cheaper to build it yourself outside of specials and sales.

And like I said, you can spend a year and get really good deals on Newegg and spend even less when you get each component on sale.

Or you can use eBay and get some used parts for cheaper.

Lets keep this thread rolling.

https://store.hp.com/webapp/wcs/sto...tcifJrQ==&ddkey=http:AjaxOrderItemDisplayView

$1330 after the coupon
6-core i7-5820K
4GB GTX 970
16GB DDR4
512GB SSD
And the rest like W7, power supply, dvd drive, the case and whatever else.

Price these components and tell me you can build it cheaper

 

[Ethosik]

Lets keep this thread rolling.

https://store.hp.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/AjaxOrderItemDisplayView?catalogId=10051&storeId=10151&krypto=kzV+2Bl9GI1mpL8Omcuu01rKMamEGoVo9NpEL354IlAImUkrKyLb23o63J+qLVS+qtV5gEUgtkTE CCupWuX90rHNrXCkM584Pl2Tm0ENJew/m//P43a5CwlJIjEOUWwlyCIaJ1X5ttpLoRLtcifJrQ==&ddkey=http:AjaxOrderItemDisplayView

$1330 after the coupon
6-core i7-5820K
4GB GTX 970
16GB DDR4
512GB SSD
And the rest like W7, power supply, dvd drive, the case and whatever else.

Price these components and tell me you can build it cheaper

Good thing about building computers. I already have a 980 and a 1TB SSD. That is a good chunk of the price right there

Like I said, I can spend an entire year. Only buying components on sale. It is pretty much always cheaper to build it yourself.

 

[z31fanatic]

High end video cards and processors rarely go on sale and when they do it's only $30 or 40.

So you agree with me that you could never build that same computer for that price?

 

[Ethosik]

High end video cards and processors rarely go on sale and when they do it's only $30 or 40.

So you agree with me that you could never build that same computer for that price?

Well then you have to be losing something. Computer manufacturers will not sell computers at a loss. So they are probably horrible components.

 

[danlages65]

Windows 8

 

[z31fanatic]

Well then you have to be losing something. Computer manufacturers will not sell computers at a loss. So they are probably horrible components.

Manufacturers get the same part for less than you and I because they get volume pricing. That's why they can build for less.

 

[Stella]

Depends what you are using the computer for and personal preference.

A mac isn't necessarily better than windows or vice versa.

You may as well ask - what is better - "banana or an apple?"

 

[AidenShaw]

You may as well ask - what is better - "banana or an apple?"

Bananas - Apples are terrible sex toys.

Seriously, though, with the fruits and with the computers - it depends what you are doing with them.

 

[jblagden]

Gosh, what a banality. Windows-run machines aren't better than Macs. Linux-run machines aren't better than Macs. Macs aren't better than either Windows- or Linux-run machines. It comes down to personal preference and your use of a computer. Games run best on Windows. A gamer will rightfully prefer Windows. I don't even understand why anyone would want to argue such trivialities over entirely subjective matters. It's not about what is better. It's about what works better for you.

Is it due to DirectX?

 

[lowendlinux]

Is it due to DirectX?

And better drivers

 

[avkdm]

My experience as a tech support person suggests that most Windows users can drive a Mac, but original Mac users somehow get lost in Windows when switched - Need I say more? So to put it bluntly if you want to learn how to use any computer properly get a PC first. At least Windows gives you an understanding of how a computer works- I feel some flaming coming on, ha ha.

 

[ron7624]

@avkdm
You said it yourself. Mac is just easier for the novice as well as the experienced computer user. I have struggled with keeping my wife up n running on a windows pc for years and I bought her a Mac this past winter. She has never been happier and I don't have to rebuild her work station 4 times a year anymore.
Yes, windows requires you to have some knowledge to keep drivers updated and all things running smoothly and then the viruses will eat even the most protected machine. She has not changed her usage habits, but her Mac has obviously rejected the many viruses she would pick up while shopping on line. And when Microsoft decides to change the way we do business, they introduce operating systems that require that the windows user start learning and researching again, and again and again.
And although I still have one Windows 7 computer that I use for one windows program, I am Mac exclusive now as well.
I make my living using a computer on the Internet and Mac has made my life a bit easier.

 

[avkdm]

Yep, macs are easier to use, I agree- I cannot argue with that. Its my preferred OS, I also like to look at my mac on the desktop and sigh for whatever reason, I can not explain it, however I will try - please let me have an upgradeable Mac that supports great gaming and all my Windows love will fly out the Window (sorry for the pun), is that too much too ask? Apple could have Windows by the balls but it chooses not too, Im surprised, perplexed and pissed off all at the same time.

 

[lowendlinux]

Yep, Linux is easier to use, I agree- I cannot argue with that. Its my preferred OS,
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There FTFY

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While everything PC v Mac is subjective lets not get into a mutual back slapping zone that exclude the real world.

 

[Mr. McMac]

I still love my Windows machines. They are much better in terms of upgradability. Replacement parts are much cheaper and more readily available, etc, etc. On the other hand, the Mac OS is much nicer, easier to use. BTW, I have 2 Macs and 2 PC's. I switch between them depending on what I'm doing.

 

[filmak]

I still love my Windows machines. They are much better in terms of upgradability. Replacement parts are much cheaper and more readily available, etc, etc. On the other hand, the Mac OS is much nicer, easier to use. BTW, I have 2 Macs and 2 PC's. I switch between them depending on what I'm doing.

At last a balanced opinion for the tools we use.
Is that so hard to understand that every platform has its pros and cons?
There is not a perfect one or a doomed one, there is the preferred, for any reason, one.

 

[avkdm]

Desiring an Apple product to be as ugradeable as a Windows machine does not head in to mutual back slapping territory in my opinion.
Your statement that Linux is easier to use (although I realise you were being sarcastic) not so long ago was complete bs.
Drivers for Linux were and probably still are a nightmare, it was also not that long ago you couldnt get a USB stick or external Hdd to mount properly in all flavors of Linux, and wireless support was a joke. I apologise if this is still not the case, but Im too tired to go back to an OS that had so many shortcomings for so many years.
A little off topic however FWIW I was part of a team responsible for getting an Access Grid (read computer nerd video conferencing) up and running on a daily basis that was running on a Linux box. Oh the nightmares and failures that machine created. That box was merely a toy for us computer nerds to play with in a Uni environment. It was supposed to be the next big thing.
They actually still exist but the support for those boxes are never ending. You literally have to be permanently sitting at the box for the entire conference as things would and do go wrong and you have to fix it on the fly.
Management finally seen the light and we convinced them in investing in Tandberg (read Cisco) video conferencing systems. They just worked.
So my argument is as much as I want full control of my PC environment proprietary systems do have their place.

 

[lowendlinux]

Desiring an Apple product to be as ugradeable as a Windows machine does not head in to mutual back slapping territory in my opinion.
Your statement that Linux is easier to use (although I realise you were being sarcastic) not so long ago was complete bs.
Drivers for Linux were and probably still are a nightmare, it was also not that long ago you couldnt get a USB stick or external Hdd to mount properly in all flavors of Linux, and wireless support was a joke. I apologise if this is still not the case, but Im too tired to go back to an OS that had so many shortcomings for so many years.
A little off topic however FWIW I was part of a team responsible for getting an Access Grid (read computer nerd video conferencing) up and running on a daily basis that was running on a Linux box. Oh the nightmares and failures that machine created. That box was merely a toy for us computer nerds to play with in a Uni environment. It was supposed to be the next big thing.
They actually still exist but the support for those boxes are never ending. You literally have to be permanently sitting at the box for the entire conference as things would and do go wrong and you have to fix it on the fly.
Management finally seen the light and we convinced them in investing in Tandberg (read Cisco) video conferencing systems. They just worked.
So my argument is as much as I want full control of my PC environment proprietary systems do have their place.

Actually I wasn't being sarcastic. I've been a desktop Linux user for 10 years at this point and it's no kidding easier for me to use a desktop Linux system than any other OS. I work on a Mac and install and run every new version of Windows but at the end of my work day I'm very glad to go back to Linux.

 

[avkdm]

Actually I wasn't being sarcastic. I've been a desktop Linux user for 10 years at this point and it's no kidding easier for me to use a desktop Linux system than any other OS. I work on a Mac and install and run every new version of Windows but at the end of my work day I'm very glad to go back to Linux.

Have they fixed all the little niggles I had with the OS? Noticed theres a few Linux users on Steam now.

 

[lowendlinux]

Have they fixed all the little niggles I had with the OS? Noticed theres a few Linux users on Steam now.

All the things you listed have long been fixed the only niggle is AMD still doesn't have a good driver it's there but it's garbage. I don't have a day to day thing that doesn't work in Linux all my Bluetooth stuff works including my Apple KB and TP, the Bamboo, all my external SATA's hot plug like they should my etc. A user could probably go to distro watch pick anything in the first 10 and have everything work OOTB. ~2% of Steam gamers are on Linux now with 1500 Linux native games, it takes about a year to get AAA to Linux but that's to be expected. Gaben is pushing Steam and Linux in both HW and SW I imagine we'll see a set top Steam box running Steam OS in '17 when/if that hit's we'll probably see all new games introduced as Vulcan/GL. My general point though was muscle memory is what makes things easy to use a long time Windows user will have issues in OS X / Linux and the reverse is also true.

 

[throAU]

Have they fixed all the little niggles I had with the OS? Noticed theres a few Linux users on Steam now.

I tried switching my gaming PC to linux (am a Linux user on/off from way back to 1995 kernel 1.2, exclusively on desktop between 98 and 2002) and disk IO with a spinning disk in game just totally sucks.

This is on a machine with 16 GB RAM... disk io in game in borderlands 2 for example would drop frames.

Same thing doesn't happen on same hardware in windows and doesn't happen on same hardware in OS X either.

 

[2984839]

Actually I wasn't being sarcastic. I've been a desktop Linux user for 10 years at this point and it's no kidding easier for me to use a desktop Linux system than any other OS. I work on a Mac and install and run every new version of Windows but at the end of my work day I'm very glad to go back to Linux.

Agreed, I find anything other than the BSDs or Arch to be frustrating to use.