Why Macs are better than PC's?

[McGiord]

Nothing in that is specific to the Mac... And you want to eliminate some "disposable mac" but keep the "disposablepc" in your comparaison... Why is that. A bit dishonest no?

I have a park of 25,000 PCs at work. We replace the desktop every five years to keep abreast of the advance in technology. 95% of those never needed any hardware replacement in their life and are still quite usable. We give them to a non profit company that employs handiccaped people so they can be resold. And those are cheap "business" computers from HP and dell, not their performance, better build model.

I don't know from what ass you got your data that Mac last longer or are better built. Have you even open one up and see what it's inside? They're not special "apple" only components. They are the same exact parts that every body else use.

First of all, what do you mean by finding data from an ass? Weird practice, unhealthy and disgusting.
Have fun with those 25k PCs. A company driven IT policy is not the same as a personal computer use policy.
I am being dishonest? because you make an assumption about disposable macs then suddenly I'm saying the PCs are disposables? You can repair PCs easily than any Mac. Many of the Macs nowadays are disposable once they fail, however their failure rate is lower in my personal experience, that is my actual data.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

I keep getting this

 

[ActionableMango]

It's a bit disingenuous because you're comparing it to some random DIY build. It would be more apt to put it up against something from HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc..

Well I still don't feel I'm being disingenuous, but you make a fair point so here are Google Image searches for the brands you mentioned--top two rows of results for each.

"HP Desktop Inside"

"Dell Desktop Inside"

"Lenovo Desktop Inside"

I'm seeing thin stamped steel, gaudy green plastic, and wires everywhere. And while I can't really see the screws in these thumbnails, in my experience they aren't going to be nice spring-loaded captured screws. The fact is, HP, Dell, and Lenovo have been locked into race-to-bottom margins. They can't afford to include anything like a Mac Pro case or your nice PC builds, because the majority of PC buyers want cheap, cheap, cheap. I last worked on a Alienware desktop, supposedly Dell's premium line, and it's no different except for external styling.

I'll leave with this 2011 quote about the Mac Pro chassis, reportedly from the head of Corsair case design and cooling:

Reproducing that case is tremendously expensive. Tremendously.

It would cost hundreds to manufacture, not to count the markup and sales. Plus it would cost hundreds of thousands (possibly over $1M) in tooling before you even built the first one. The manufacturing process on Apple stuff is crazy complex and impressive.

Even if we could reproduce the thing at 100% quality, the cost would be well north of $500, so the number of people buying it would be so tiny as to make it pretty much pointless.

Even the 800D, which is "only" $279, is considered a really expensive case and doesn't sell in quantities anywhere near the numbers you'd see from, say, a $99 "Gaming" case from a popular brand like Antec or Cooler Master.

Even if everybody in the world who wanted to spend more than $200 on a computer case bought it, you'd still have a tiny market.

Anyway, with the entire Mac line having no PCIe slots for GPU upgrades, this is my last Mac. My next computer some day will need a quality case--something like your examples. Unfortunately so many premium PC cases seemed to be designed for teenagers, with neon, lighting effects, glow in the dark parts, and case windows to show off their 'ware.

 

[ssgbryan]

Apple Mac is like 2016 Lamboroghini Roadster
PCs are like 1980 AMC Pacer/Gremlin
Call it a day

So you are saying that OSX is vastly overpriced for performance & mechanically unreliable?

 

[Badrottie]

So you are saying that OSX is vastly overpriced for performance & mechanically unreliable?

I guess no

 

[Badrottie]

You also realise those designs come with limitations. The current MB with just one port??!

Apple knows... like for example Blue Ray DVD is almost dead. Firewire ports are dead gone. Thunderbolt might be next because of USB-C.

 

[MH01]

Apple knows... like for example Blue Ray DVD is almost dead. Firewire ports are dead gone. Thunderbolt might be next because of USB-C.

Blueray was never supported. And firewire and TB were both apples introductions that the industry mostly ignored.

Id be happy if they got an interface that was used by everyone, and i did not have to pay heaps for accessories...

fingers crossed usc-c will go mainstream..... 'no doubt when the first Gen MBA will be superseded...

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Apple knows... like for example Blue Ray DVD is almost dead. Firewire ports are dead gone. Thunderbolt might be next because of USB-C.

You can use all of them if you want to. Vinyl record sales increased last year.

 

[ActionableMango]

Blueray was never supported.

Many of us have Blu-ray drives and OS X supports them just fine.

 

[MH01]

Many of us have Blu-ray drives and OS X supports them just fine.

I should have clarified, sold win a mac. Jobs officially refereed to it as "a bag of hurt", making the stance clear . So I would use the term support loosely. Though great that it worked fine for you.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Anyway, with the entire Mac line having no PCIe slots for GPU upgrades, this is my last Mac. My next computer some day will need a quality case--something like your examples. Unfortunately so many premium PC cases seemed to be designed for teenagers, with neon, lighting effects, glow in the dark parts, and case windows to show off their 'ware.

I'm in the same boat. Got my Hackintosh build for that very reason. Apple's stance on form over function is ridiculous. The desktop Mac 'PRO' is targeted at professionals who use the machine as a TOOL for work, not as an aesthetic gimmick (at least they shouldn't). That isn't to suggest that computer case designs should be overlooked to the point of looking like those old ugly beige boxes we had back in the 90s, but it's irrational to put form over function on a tool.

Anyway, if you're looking for a nice case, check out the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv:

Also made of aluminum, swinging doors for quick access to the internals, front side I/O ports for USB, headphone jack, dust filters to keep the innards clean (i love these on my current case), interchangeable LEDs (white looks best), etc. etc. The case is loaded with well thought out features, and easily bests the cheesegrater case in terms of functionality. In regards to the design, I like the Phanteks case more. I hope they make it in white though in the ATX form factor. As much as I like the cheesegrater design, it's old.... 12 years old to be exact.

 

[ActionableMango]

I should have clarified, sold win a mac. Jobs officially refereed to it as "a bag of hurt", making the stance clear . So I would use the term support loosely. Though great that it worked fine for you.

Fair enough but a lot of PCs, maybe even most PCs, don't come with Blu-ray drives either. In OS X I can watch commercial Blu-rays, and read/write to Blu-ray data discs. OS X provides the driver support and framework just like Windows.

I'm in the same boat. Got my Hackintosh build for that very reason. Apple's stance on form over function is ridiculous. The desktop Mac 'PRO' is targeted at professionals who use the machine as a TOOL for work, not as an aesthetic gimmick (at least they shouldn't). That isn't to suggest that computer case designs should be overlooked to the point of looking like those old ugly beige boxes we had back in the 90s, but it's irrational to put form over function on a tool.

Anyway, if you're looking for a nice case, check out the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv:

Also made of aluminum, swinging doors for quick access to the internals, front side I/O ports for USB, headphone jack, dust filters to keep the innards clean (i love these on my current case), interchangeable LEDs (white looks best), etc. etc. The case is loaded with well thought out features, and easily bests the cheesegrater case in terms of functionality. In regards to the design, I like the Phanteks case more. I hope they make it in white though in the ATX form factor. As much as I like the cheesegrater design, it's old.... 12 years old to be exact.

I like the exterior styling a lot, but too bad because I sure can't stand that window on the side.

 

[bladerunner2000]

I like the exterior styling a lot, but too bad because I sure can't stand that window on the side.

I think they should offer the option;

White (without window) looks a badass stormtrooper case:

Also, there are some guys out there that do really impressive case mods. I absolutely love this:

 

[MH01]

Fair enough but a lot of PCs, maybe even most PCs, don't come with Blu-ray drives either. In OS X I can watch commercial Blu-rays, and read/write to Blu-ray data discs. OS X provides the driver support and framework just like Windows.

I honestly don't know, I always build my own PCs, and I bought a BR when the prices were acceptable.

And the only PC laptop (always have had macs) in recent times was the Alienware 18, which came with a BR.

I also missed the BR as data discs, they were to expansive and by the time the prices dropped, USB storage was a better alternative for me. S

 

[SirCheese]

One thing I HATE about windows is that when you get the system update prompt, there is no way to ignore it to install at your own pace. It is either now, in 10 min, or 4 hrs and in my experience, selecting 4hrs will still have it pop up again after 10 min. I hate that

If you tell it 4 hours, it doesn't not popup 10 minutes later. And telling it to run later is at your own pace.

 

[McGiord]

1-10 scale. Score awarded for overall usability (apps, gaming, productivity) and compatibility (hardware support, drivers, etc). Points deducted for bugginess, ugly interface theme experiments

I'm not including anything pre-OSX or pre-XP

No OS deserves a 9 or 10.

10 -
9 -
8 - Snow Leopard, Windows 10
7 - El Capitan (beta - will likely earn another point later), Yosemite, Mavericks, Windows 7
6 - Windows 8.1, Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion
5 - Windows XP, Panther, Jaguar, Tiger
4 - Windows Vista, Puma
3 - Windows 8
2 - Cheetah
1 -

SYNTAX ERROR

Another opinion:

 

[handsome pete]

Well I still don't feel I'm being disingenuous, but you make a fair point so here are Google Image searches for the brands you mentioned...

You're still trying to compare it to generic desktops, which is kind of the problem with this ridiculous Mac vs. PC argument to begin with. I agree with you on the design of the old Mac Pro case, but let's not pretend there aren't some really good offerings from competitors when it comes to workstation class machines:

HP:

Lenovo:

Dell:

Dell is certainly the weakest, but still not anywhere close to the mess you're claiming.

 

[AFEPPL]

But all these are designed to allow you to add and change things as you need/want.
The macs are not, so i don't see the issue or concern thats been expressed if I'm honest - its two totally different approaches..

I'm sure MS would get loads of stick if they took Apples closed book approach to technology..
Heres your 3 graphic card options, memory on the board and with no user interchangeable/upgradable parts..

 

[bladerunner2000]

But all these are designed to allow you to add and change things as you need/want.
The macs are not, so i don't see the issue or concern thats been expressed if I'm honest - its two totally different approaches..

I'm sure MS would get loads of stick if they took Apples closed book approach to technology..
Heres your 3 graphic card options, memory on the board and with no user interchangeable/upgradable parts..

Luckily, we don't have to worry about that happening any time soon.

 

[ActionableMango]

You're still trying to compare it to generic desktops, which is kind of the problem with this ridiculous Mac vs. PC argument to begin with.

Fine, I'll except your examples. I still see acres of crappy plastic and thin sheet metal.

But whatever, I'm done here. We've both made our points.

 

[zephonic]

Don't know if anybody already mentioned this (TL;DR) but Macs can run Windows legally and are easily the best Windows machines I have ever owned.

 

[AidenShaw]

Don't know if anybody already mentioned this (TL;DR) but Macs can run Windows legally and are easily the best Windows machines I have ever owned.

Then it's obvious that you've never owned a Z or a Precision - or that you're looking at what was available in 2007 and not what's available in July 2015.

 

[\-V-/]

Don't know if anybody already mentioned this (TL;DR) but Macs can run Windows legally and are easily the best Windows machines I have ever owned.

Have you actually run Windows on a nice Windows machine? You know ... one that costs at least the same as a Mac?

 

[AidenShaw]

Dell is certainly the weakest, but still not anywhere close to the mess you're claiming.

The Dell is also the easiest to work on, and quiet.

Also, the Dell will run with the cover off - start removing the baffles and airflow devices on the HP and the Lenovo and they shut off. (On the HP Z-series, the fans for the water cooled CPU radiators are on the upper baffle plate - pull the baffle plate, and the CPUs overheat in a few minutes.)

Do people in real life base their workstation decision on how pretty the system is with the panels removed? Ages ago (when Dual and Shure and McIntosh were king) I read someone who said "if the loudspeaker salesman pulls the grill off to show you the drivers - leave, and find another store where they care about the sound".

If someone thinks that it's important to make sure that the various cables are color-coordinated - ask them what effect that has on their workflow and billed hours.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Do people in real life base their workstation decision on how pretty the system is with the panels removed? Ages ago (when Dual and Shure and McIntosh were king) I read someone who said "if the loudspeaker salesman pulls the grill off to show you the drivers - leave, and find another store where they care about the sound".

If someone thinks that it's important to make sure that the various cables are color-coordinated - ask them what effect that has on their workflow and billed hours.

Well, some people in this thread base their workstation decisions on how pretty the case is over the performance of the tool at hand; the computer.

Crazy, huh?