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Do people in real life base their workstation decision on how pretty the system is with the panels removed?

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Well, some people in this thread base their workstation decisions on how pretty the case is over the performance of the tool at hand; the computer.

Crazy, huh?

wait, what?
are you one of these people or are you trying to make fun of people?
 
Then it's obvious that you've never owned a Z or a Precision - or that you're looking at what was available in 2007 and not what's available in July 2015.

Have you actually run Windows on a nice Windows machine? You know ... one that costs at least the same as a Mac?

Yes. At my former place of work we had a $10,000 HP workstation that ran a particular Media 100 system (844, I believe) unavailable on OSX.

I qualified my statement by saying my Macs are the best WinPC's I have ever owned. Me. Personally. And yes, I did own a $3000 PC in the days of Win98. Not a fair comparison, I know, as the quality of the hardware was let down by the quality of the OS (remember IRQ conflicts? Fun!).

But that's not what my post was about.

My point is, you can run Windows legally on a Mac, and not the other way around. I think of that as added value and a possibly an important factor for people who can't decide. You get a nice, well-built computer and you can run Windows or Linux on it, too.


That said, if my '09 MacPro were to conk out on me today, I would probably get an HP Z or Lenovo workstation, not an nMP. But for laptops, I still think Apple makes the best stuff.
 
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That wasn't really a you're old comment ... just that you're comparing crap hardware from the days of Windows 98 to a modern Mac running Windows.
 
That wasn't really a you're old comment ... just that you're comparing crap hardware from the days of Windows 98 to a modern Mac running Windows.

Maybe read my entire post rather than cherry-picking a single sentence and running with that? I said it was quality hardware (spent 3K on that sucker) let down by a crap OS.

The $10K HP ran WinXP, btw. And that wasn't much better. My '07 iMac ran WinXP with fewer issues than that machine.

I'll reiterate this for the third time, My argument is that a Mac can run all OS'es legally, and other PC's can't run OSX legally. It may not be important to you, but it may be important to others. And the OP was looking for arguments in favor of Macs. I believe this is one, and a good one.
 
Maybe read my entire post rather than cherry-picking a single sentence and running with that?
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I'll reiterate this for the third time

you made the internet forum no-no of coupling a fact with anecdotal evidence..
the fact, even if it's the point, will be ignored and your entire post will try to be discredited because people don't agree with your personal feelings about something else.

;)
 
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IMHO, OS X has the better UI and the display technology that iMacs use (Retina Display), you can't get on the PC side. Makes text look so smooth and once you experience Retina Display on the desktop...there is really no going back.

Otherwise, I think that PC's have the better horsepower and customization option between the two sides.
 
IMHO, OS X has the better UI and the display technology that iMacs use (Retina Display), you can't get on the PC side. Makes text look so smooth and once you experience Retina Display on the desktop...there is really no going back.

Not anymore:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=up275k3

Though to be fair, the iMac is an all in one... but thats also a negative as it uses a terrible mobile GPU and a soldered devils canyon 4790k processor that you cant overclock anyway (why did they bother putting it in there instead of the regular 4790?)

As for UI, OS X has Windows beat... easily.

Otherwise, I think that PC's have the better horsepower and customization option between the two sides.

True.
 
That said, if my '09 MacPro were to conk out on me today, I would probably get an HP Z or Lenovo workstation, not an nMP. But for laptops, I still think Apple makes the best stuff.

As an afterthought, I'd be interested to know how many people are still rocking 2009 PC workstations on a daily basis? I get the impression that there are still quite a few people on X58 MacPros; just wondering if comparable HP/Lenovo/Dell workstations have a similar lifespan?
 
but thats also a negative as it uses a terrible mobile GPU
terrible for what? you've used it? i can't imagine what you're doing on a computer that would make you "gosh darn this stupid gpu!! :mad:"

and a soldered devils canyon 4790k processor that you cant overclock anyway (why did they bother putting it in there instead of the regular 4790?)
they're not soldered.. you can swap cpus.. (nobody does but that's beside the point)
 
Blueray was never supported. And firewire and TB were both apples introductions that the industry mostly ignored.

Id be happy if they got an interface that was used by everyone, and i did not have to pay heaps for accessories...

fingers crossed usc-c will go mainstream..... 'no doubt when the first Gen MBA will be superseded...

Google Pixel notebook already have USB-C... I think it will go mainstream because they WILL listen to Google and Apple. Microsoft Surface 4 or 5 might have an USB-C in the future.
 
As an afterthought, I'd be interested to know how many people are still rocking 2009 PC workstations on a daily basis? I get the impression that there are still quite a few people on X58 MacPros; just wondering if comparable HP/Lenovo/Dell workstations have a similar lifespan?

I don't regularly use a desktop, but my main computer is a T42.
 
Maybe read my entire post rather than cherry-picking a single sentence and running with that? I said it was quality hardware (spent 3K on that sucker) let down by a crap OS.

The $10K HP ran WinXP, btw. And that wasn't much better. My '07 iMac ran WinXP with fewer issues than that machine.

I'll reiterate this for the third time, My argument is that a Mac can run all OS'es legally, and other PC's can't run OSX legally. It may not be important to you, but it may be important to others. And the OP was looking for arguments in favor of Macs. I believe this is one, and a good one.
You're still talking about massively outdated operating systems. Your entire argument has been made invalid. Have you used a modern PC with a modern version of Windows in the price range of a Mac? Because apparently you haven't. I wasn't arguing that Macs aren't awesome because they can run Windows. That's definitely a plus for Macs. But your entire argument is based on running outdated hardware on an outdated OS.
 
Why not build it into MacBook Pro or Mac Pro? Im not talking about external Blue Ray DVD drive.

i'm pretty sure.. after this much time to see the direction of macintosh design.. even if you're a hanger-on_er to the nth degree.
you should completely give up hope of ever seeing a dvd drive or blue ray drive or anything similar to those things in a future apple computer.

this battle (if you were battling it) has been lost.. accept and move on :)
 
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Google Pixel notebook already have USB-C... I think it will go mainstream because they WILL listen to Google and Apple. Microsoft Surface 4 or 5 might have an USB-C in the future.

Unlike FireWire, mini-display port etc, USB-C does look the goods.
 
As an afterthought, I'd be interested to know how many people are still rocking 2009 PC workstations on a daily basis? I get the impression that there are still quite a few people on X58 MacPros; just wondering if comparable HP/Lenovo/Dell workstations have a similar lifespan?

That is not a positive. That just says apple really does not care about the max pro, and the update cycles are very long. Though as mac pro user , the x58 is the latest second latest platform, and that is a negative. Unless you consider paying top dollar for a couple of year old tech a benefit.....

X58 is ancient in PC performance terms....
 
That is not a positive. That just says apple really does not care about the max pro, and the update cycles are very long. Though as mac pro user , the x58 is the latest second latest platform, and that is a negative. Unless you consider paying top dollar for a couple of year old tech a benefit.....

X58 is ancient in PC performance terms....
That's an extreme opinion. Performance per watt or for clock speed is less than today but the overall performance of a multi core x58/5200 set up is still high. That's why a top 12 core cMP still performs the same as a top 12 core nMP. And I don't care what people say about single core benchmarks. Single core sucks. Even a modern dual core sucks. I'll never go below six cores again.
 
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