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Huntn

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All you do is put up a little sheet of paper somewhere for every 25f.

In the roughest terms:

100 = 212 (200)
150 = 302 (300)
175 = 347 (350)
200 = 392 (400)

Literal estimates are half/double for cooking.

A cup = 250ml / 1/4l (0.236/4.22, a little off)
A liter = 4 cups
A kilo = 2lbs (2.2, I know it's a bit off)

This stuff is not hard.

If you need to get precise, "Siri, what's 600 grams in pounds".

It's never been easier to deal with it. Hell, all your sugar cola bottles are litres...
Yes, I could learn that, but I’ll still say teaspoons, tablespoons, and cups are friendlier for mixing up recipes not only because I’m used to them, but because the cup is the ideal unit of measure for cooking imo. You are not dealing with fractions or large numbers. Based on this premise 1cup = 236 ml, and .236L case closed. :D I will acknowledge if metric was used to create a recipe the quantities would be massaged to be more rounded Numbers.
 
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Yes, I could learn that, but I’ll still say teaspoons, tablespoons, and cups are friendlier for mixing up recipes not only because I’m used to them, but because the cup is the ideal unit of measure for cooking imo. Based on this premise 1cup = 236 ml, and .236L case closed. :D I will acknowledge if metric was used to create a recipe the quantities would be massaged to be more rounded Numbers.
Those units of measures are items you find in the most basic of home kitchens.

Personally, I prefer a gram scale. The same sort used by drug dealers as they provide more accurate measures to the decimal point.
 

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Those units of measures are items you find in the most basic of home kitchens.

Personally, I prefer a gram scale. The same sort used by drug dealers as they provide more accurate measures to the decimal point.
What do you mean, “most basic”?? You mean they are most commonly used because they make perfect sense? You are not dealing with fractions or large numbers. :D
 

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What do you mean, “most basic”?? You mean they are most commonly used because they make perfect sense? You are not dealing with fractions or large numbers. :D
Imagine a home kitchen worst than yours or anyone you know.

That's "most basic".

Ever encounter anyone comparing something on the internet to a banana or VW Bug? It's a "unit of measure" many are familiar with.

When it comes to baking there is zero wiggle room as you cannot correct it while it is baking.
 

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Imagine a home kitchen worst than yours or anyone you know.

That's "most basic".

Ever encounter anyone comparing something on the internet to a banana or VW Bug? It's a "unit of measure" many are familiar with.

When it comes to baking there is zero wiggle room as you cannot correct it while it is baking.
I’m not fighting, but I’m not sure what you point is, other than you prefer metric? 1cup, 1tablespoon, 1teasoon equals the perfect units of convenience for cooking at home. Not only that, but 1 Gallon is better than 1Liter when it comes to filling you car. :) Yes this is my opinion and it is based on a lifetime of using them so I sure there is bias there.

That said, we used metric (not exclusively) in the military, yet I much prefer miles. And I am not hostile to metric, it does make sense, just not for cooking. ;) And when I walk into the grocer and pick up a bottle the looks like a quart or a half gallon but instead is 946ml or 1.8L I don’t lose my mind, just buy it and think, a lot of numbers for a quart. But the reality is, if we were totally metric instead of quarts and gallons, it would be a liter or 2 liters.
 

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I’m not fighting, but I’m not sure what you point is, other than you prefer metric? 1cup, 1tablespoon, 1teasoon equals the perfect units of convenience for cooking at home. Not only that, but 1 Gallon is better than 1Liter when it comes to filling you car. :) Yes this is my opinion and it is based on a lifetime of using them so I sure there is bias there.

That said, we used metric (not exclusively) in the military, yet I much prefer miles. And I am not hostile to metric, it does make sense, just not for cooking. ;) And when I walk into the grocer and pick up a bottle the looks like a quart or a half gallon but instead is 946ml or 1.8L I don’t lose my mind, just buy it and think, a lot of numbers for a quart. But the reality is, if we were totally metric instead of quarts and gallons, it would be a liter or 2 liters.
The reason why the US is still not using metric has to do with funding.

I recall watching a YouTube video of a President Carter pushing for it.
 

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Yes, I could learn that, but I’ll still say teaspoons, tablespoons, and cups are friendlier for mixing up recipes not only because I’m used to them, but because the cup is the ideal unit of measure for cooking imo. You are not dealing with fractions or large numbers. Based on this premise 1cup = 236 ml, and .236L case closed. :D I will acknowledge if metric was used to create a recipe the quantities would be massaged to be more rounded Numbers.

5ml - "teaspoon"
15ml - "tablespoon" (Though regionally it can be 20ml)

The funny part is that no one has a problem with this anywhere else. They just changed over their recipes long, long ago. As an American living elsewhere, I can assure you that it's far simpler than anyone makes it out to be.
 
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I’m not fighting, but I’m not sure what you point is, other than you prefer metric? 1cup, 1tablespoon, 1teasoon equals the perfect units of convenience for cooking at home. Not only that, but 1 Gallon is better than 1Liter when it comes to filling you car. :) Yes this is my opinion and it is based on a lifetime of using them so I sure there is bias there.

That said, we used metric (not exclusively) in the military, yet I much prefer miles. And I am not hostile to metric, it does make sense, just not for cooking. ;) And when I walk into the grocer and pick up a bottle the looks like a quart or a half gallon but instead is 946ml or 1.8L I don’t lose my mind, just buy it and think, a lot of numbers for a quart. But the reality is, if we were totally metric instead of quarts and gallons, it would be a liter or 2 liters.

There's a whole lot of numbers on a 2L of Coke… I think 67.6fl oz if memory serves.

Or in your case, it's essentially manufacturers screwing people out of 6% of product.

Kilometres are easy when all the streets are marked that way. If I tried to convert to miles using all the roadsigns in kms, it would be maddening.

The simple thing is that all that has to happen is the labelling requirements put metric first, in bold.

Then change the road signs to show both, but use the red circle for KM speed limits like the rest of the world.

If people continue to use yards for football and golf and stuff like that, it's fine. I still occasionally describe things in inches or feet, and strangely hospitals still use ft/in and lbs to describe newborns on their certificate.

But the US would benefit quite a lot if they converted. Exports would be easier, less paperwork, and mostly it's just easier once you do it. Building parts, machinery… so much doesn't have to be custom tooled for America, things get cheaper.

And let the people who resist change go ahead and resist. Don't tell anyone they have to use it. Just stop making it the primary measurement for anything regulated. It'll get there.
 

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Almost every other country in the world, including China.

There are 7.4 billion people in the world, 3 countries do not use Metric. 2 of them are third world.

http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/metric-map-which-countries-dont-belong-with-the-others/


And amongst those who do not use metric, you don't even use the same measures for gallons and who even knows what else.


metricMap.jpg



Every single one of those countries did not start out with Metric, every single one of them managed to convert.
Good for them. lol. Why does everyone have to be on the same system? Is that a requirement for the planet earth?
 

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Good for them. lol. Why does everyone have to be on the same system? Is that a requirement for the planet earth?
Agree. We US Americans are doing just fine. We use metrics where required, and the US customary units when it is not required. My Canadian friends near the border, and also the ALCAN, don't seem to have any issues with both. The main concern is the monetary exchange rate, and while metric numbers are posted on the road speed signs, the car's speedometer shows both MPH and KPH. If I go to the hospital everything is done in metrics, but the person (s) preparing the food in the hospital's kitchen can choose whichever measuring system he or she wants.

It is not an issue whatsoever.
 
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Clearly it's not a requirement. However without standards, you're doubling your efforts.
No doubling your efforts is quite easy: use the measuring systems you are most familiar with, unless the use of another measuring system is required. It is the same for language, for cooking, and so on. For example, the preset oven temperature for baking in the US is 350 degrees F. I wonder if ovens sold in other places around the world are preset at the factory for a Celsius temperature of 176.6667?
 
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No doubling your efforts is quite easy: use the measuring systems you are most familiar with, unless the use of another measuring system is required. It is the same for language, for cooking, and so on.
Absolutely right! and also we have literally AI and assistance from Hey Google, Alexa, Siri, the whole team... lol. I mean how hard is it to ask to convert something? There is no doubling of efforts, if anything we've just become lazier and lazier!
 

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Absolutely right! and also we have literally AI and assistance from Hey Google, Alexa, Siri, the whole team... lol. I mean how hard is it to ask to convert something? There is no doubling of efforts, if anything we've just become lazier and lazier!

Having multiple measuring systems is a good indicator for how far we as humans have managed to reduce friction amongst ourselves. We’re running complexity for the sake of it. Sure it’s manageable and most deal with it well, but it is more complex than adherence to a standard everywhere.
 

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There's a whole lot of numbers on a 2L of Coke… I think 67.6fl oz if memory serves.

Or in your case, it's essentially manufacturers screwing people out of 6% of product.

Kilometres are easy when all the streets are marked that way. If I tried to convert to miles using all the roadsigns in kms, it would be maddening.

The simple thing is that all that has to happen is the labelling requirements put metric first, in bold.

Then change the road signs to show both, but use the red circle for KM speed limits like the rest of the world.

If people continue to use yards for football and golf and stuff like that, it's fine. I still occasionally describe things in inches or feet, and strangely hospitals still use ft/in and lbs to describe newborns on their certificate.

But the US would benefit quite a lot if they converted. Exports would be easier, less paperwork, and mostly it's just easier once you do it. Building parts, machinery… so much doesn't have to be custom tooled for America, things get cheaper.

And let the people who resist change go ahead and resist. Don't tell anyone they have to use it. Just stop making it the primary measurement for anything regulated. It'll get there.
My primary whining is about the ease of cooking with English. :) Now if we went to metric on the highway, I could deal with that, although I’d really hate a trip going from 400 miles to 800+km. And as observed metric is already appearing in our grocery stores.
 
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My primary whining is about the ease of cooking with English. :) Now if we went to metric on the highway, I could deal with that, although I’d really hate a trip doing from 400 miles to 800+km. And as observed metric is already appearing in our grocery stores.
On the day that milk comes in one and two-liter jugs you will know that we have crossed the Rubicon and there is no going back. ;)
 
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On the day that milk comes in one and two-liter jugs you will know that we have crossed the Rubicon and there is no going back. ;)
Most labels on canned, packed, and bottled product in the grocery stores show both US Customary and metric measurements. Although I am familiar with both, I prefer the US measurements. I was born and lived until the age of 16 (or so) in a country where metrics was the standard, but being familiar with more than one measuring system is a plus, at least to me. The same for being fluent in more than one language.

The arguments about the US using metrics as the standard measuring system make no sense to me. US Americans use metrics where it is required, and that's all that matters. At least our founding fathers, and the current governments haven't forced us to adopt one system over another, perhaps because in our form of government, "government are the people" (?). And yes, the main reason for not fully adopting metrics relates to national economic factors that affect the private sector.
 
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...At least our founding fathers, and the current governments haven't forced us to adopt one system over another, perhaps because in our form of government, "government are the people" (?). And yes, the main reason for not fully adopting metrics relates to national economic factors that affect the private sector.

James Madison pushed Congress to adopt it in 1816, but go off...
 
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James Madison pushed Congress to adopt it in 1816, but go off...
True. President carter tried it too, but Congress hasn't made it mandatory because it would be expensive for the private sector (industries, and so on). In reality it would be expensive for the entire nation, or the public and private sectors. It is much cheaper for the local and Federal governments to leave it as it is now, or using metrics where required (a portion of the
 

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True. President carter tried it too, but Congress hasn't made it mandatory because it would be expensive for the private sector (industries, and so on). In reality it would be expensive for the entire nation, or the public and private sectors. It is much cheaper for the local and Federal governments to leave it as it is now, or using metrics where required (a portion of the
The longer we wait, the more expensive the changeover will be in the future.
But we lose money every day because some companies won't buy products made with the Imperial system, because they would have to learn a new system and have two sets of tools.

Do it and get it over with.
 
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The longer we wait, the more expensive the changeover will be in the future.
But we lose money every day because some companies won't buy products made with the Imperial system, because they would have to learn a new system and have two sets of tools.

Do it and get it over with.
I don't think so. The cheapest way is to use metrics where it is required, which is the way it is now. American companies are in fact producing products of various kinds, including automobiles, in metric sizes. Just look at the engine displacement numbers used in the automobile industry (cc's, litters, and so on). Just read the labels, or just look at the automobile parts such as bolts, nuts, washers, etc. Metrics is also used in the US aviation industry. The main difference is that US Americans use both metrics and the US Customary measuring systems. Metrics where it is required is the norm these days.
 
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