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twoodcc

macrumors P6
Feb 3, 2005
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Right side of wrong
FCPX will also require a nice update too. The Pro's that have tried it won't give FCPX a second chance until the required functionality is added back again. Googling "missing FCPX features".

( BTW - I don't want to bucket all Pros into a single group, some Pros are happy with the existing functionality, while others need the functionality that is in FCP 7 but isn't in X ).

true, which apple has already addressed some of those missing features. i think some things, like saving to tape, isn't coming to FCPX
 

AppleScruff1

macrumors G4
Feb 10, 2011
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This is the future, anyway. And a larger and extremely profitable (as we're seeing) segment.

I doubt sentimentality plays into anyone's profit scheme, especially when major market shifts are happening.

In any case:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/13972510/

Isn't it a bit odd that you come into any Mac Pro thread and try to antagonize loyal professional Apple users buy telling them how irrelevant they are and that market is changing? Strange indeed coming from the ultimate Apple supporter.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
Original poster
May 3, 2009
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Enterprise market is also a lot steadier, companies don't usually overhaul their infrastructure (change OS etc) very often and if they do, it must be for a good reason.
For enterprise applications support is the major motivator for upgrading. Typically vendors only provide support for 2 maybe 3 iterations of a product. So if you don't upgrade an application and skip a version. You'll lose support when the next upgrade rolls around.

I'm heavily involved in upgrading enterprise applications at my company. Its a painful process but vendors have us, because we need their support.

So while its a lot more steady, its not stagnant, there is almost always an upgrade going on in my shop - just not the same application. My last upgrade (peoplesoft) took a year to complete, so we try to do this once every three years.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada
Isn't it a bit odd that you come into any Mac Pro thread and try to antagonize loyal professional Apple users

They're no more special than any other Apple customer.

These who are fearful of the debate need not participate.
 
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boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
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They're no more special than any other Apple customer.

These who are fearful of the debate need not participate.

Yes but you consistently charge in with an "adapt or you aren't important" rant about a segment you've proven yourself you know nothing about. Prosumer gear (which you've predicted to be the future of the pro industry) doesn't cut it. Apple are making a mistake here by abandoning its most loyal market.
 

leekohler

macrumors G5
Dec 22, 2004
14,164
26
Chicago, Illinois
Yes but you consistently charge in with an "adapt or you aren't important" rant about a segment you've proven yourself you know nothing about. Prosumer gear (which you've predicted to be the future of the pro industry) doesn't cut it. Apple are making a mistake here by abandoning its most loyal market.

Exactly- It's never in any company's interest to abandon an extremely loyal market.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada
No- but that's not what you're saying. You're saying pro users are less special than other Apple customers.

Priorities, priorities. At some point in the tech business, someone is going to be on the losing end of a costs vs. benefits analysis. It's going to happen.
 

Tinyluph

macrumors regular
Dec 27, 2011
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Apple is going to grow for the next decade, and that's why I like to regurgitate pundit speculation that they will abandon an entire market segment.

-LTD ;)
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
Apple is going to grow for the next decade, and that's why I like to regurgitate pundit speculation that they will abandon an entire market segment.

-LTD ;)

Oh, it's just speculation? So it's not actually happening and has no basis in reality.

Well that's a relief! False alarm, then. Continue enjoying your copy of FCPX, everyone.
 

thekev

macrumors 604
Aug 5, 2010
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In a rare (and somewhat disappointing) move Apple gave in to the naysayers. We'll see if this was actually required a couple of years from now.

In a couple years, it should be a fully functioning product. That isn't the same as a .1 version of something that's basically rewritten from the ground up.

The difference is in the transition paths. When Apple introduced FCPX, it took quite a bit of whining for them to reintroduce FCP7 licensing.

When they cut out the Xserve, they offered a joke of a replacement option (Mac Pro Server or Mac Mini Server... where's the VMWare option on proper hardware ?).

When they intro'ed OS X, they didn't even make it the default OS on their shipping hardware. When they finally did, it had implemented the missing features and it still had the Classic mode to run OS 9 applications.

If you really don't see the difference in these transitions and how they were done, then I can't explain to you why 2 of those look like Apple abandonning a niche, vs one of them showing a proper transition to new technology.

They get worse every time, and yeah cutting off licensing is terrible when the
new product can't actually pick up a job where the old one left off. That's a big problem. They were lacking both a seamless transition and the ability to acquire additional licenses to complete work as necessary.


So you intentionally post to antagonize them.

That is trolling by definition :).
 

Tinyluph

macrumors regular
Dec 27, 2011
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Oh, it's just speculation? So it's not actually happening and has no basis in reality.

Well that's a relief! False alarm, then. Continue enjoying your copy of FCPX, everyone.

Until Apple announces the discontinuation of their pro market products then, yes, it's just speculation.

It's one thing to read the writing on the wall and say that Apple's focus is on consumer products, but it's another thing entirely to think you know anything about the internal costs or benefits of maintaining the pro market--which, by the way, you don't.
 

wonderspark

macrumors 68040
Feb 4, 2010
3,054
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Oregon
For as long as I can recall, there were those that made amazing pieces with low-end, "unprofessional" equipment, and those that made unwatchable garbage with top-of-the-line gear. I think Apple is opening a door to get more people making more things to watch, and that will result in a larger amount of the same ratio of material to look at.

The success or failure of FCP X isn't known, but I do know that ever since it was released, people stopped questioning my use of Adobe's tools, and assuming I used Final Cut or AVID.
 

MattSepeta

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Jul 9, 2009
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I installed FCP X trial earlier today, and when I noticed I had to use a menu called "Share [insert flowers, patchouli, hippy music]" I had to uninstall it.

Looks like I am going to have to shell out the cash for CS5.5, oh well.
 

AppleScruff1

macrumors G4
Feb 10, 2011
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I installed FCP X trial earlier today, and when I noticed I had to use a menu called "Share [insert flowers, patchouli, hippy music]" I had to uninstall it.

Looks like I am going to have to shell out the cash for CS5.5, oh well.


A buddy of mine recently made the same painful decision.
 

AppleScruff1

macrumors G4
Feb 10, 2011
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I did too. But since I needed a new laptop, too, it actually pulled me from the Apple ecosystem, too.

My friend still has his MBP, iPad and iPhone, but he is building a Windows machine to run CS 5.5 for his video work. He was a die hard Apple man and it really bugged him to have to make the choice. You never know in cases like yours and his, the possibility is there to turn to other sources instead of Apple. It's always disappointing to be abandoned by a company you like and make your living with. And I must say that the Mac Pro guys on this forum don't get caught up in the usual bs that goes on here. They like Apple products but don't worship the company. The Mac Pro is a tool that they enjoy using in their work. Kudos to all of you. I learn a lot by lurking in the various threads.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
Original poster
May 3, 2009
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Until Apple announces the discontinuation of their pro market products then, yes, it's just speculation.

It's one thing to read the writing on the wall and say that Apple's focus is on consumer products, but it's another thing entirely to think you know anything about the internal costs or benefits of maintaining the pro market--which, by the way, you don't.

Yes, but given that companies need to spend wisely in this day and age. If they believe apple is abandoning their sector do you not think they'll play it safe and make sure they go to a platform that will be there for them in the foreseeable future.

Saying its only speculation is great here on the internet but when it comes to people's jobs, companies ability to produce products, its a whole different ball of wax.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
Yes, but given that companies need to spend wisely in this day and age. If they believe apple is abandoning their sector do you not think they'll play it safe and make sure they go to a platform that will be there for them in the foreseeable future.

Saying its only speculation is great here on the internet but when it comes to people's jobs, companies ability to produce products, its a whole different ball of wax.

The problem really is that it is speculation. Enterprises or SMBs need clear roadmaps. They do not just hop from technology to technology, they invest heavily in software and hardware to get productivity up, which means planning and training in most cases.

Apple is too entrenched in secrecy.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
Original poster
May 3, 2009
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The problem really is that it is speculation. Enterprises or SMBs need clear roadmaps. They do not just hop from technology to technology, they invest heavily in software and hardware to get productivity up, which means planning and training in most cases
Exactly, that's my point. Companies cannot plan to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a platform that may (or may not) run the risk of being killed off.
 
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