Retailers and even the OEMs like Apple already forecasted the demand of each SKU. So what is filtered out what the market of that dealer with bare out.
At $999 there is a market for 16GB RAM & 512GB SSD for a year Nov 2020 & Jul 2022 chip.
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Will 16GB of Memory Finally Come Standard Alongside the M3 Chip?
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At $999 there is a market for 16GB RAM & 512GB SSD for a year Nov 2020 & Jul 2022 chip.
I don't get Microsoft, they bill the Surface products as premium but almost always unveil new models with CPUs that are at least 2 generations old.
When they unveiled the surface studio some years back, they marketed it as a high end professional desktop for creatives, yet plopped a 5400rpm spinning drive.
I've owned Surface laptops and tablets and they're well made, but I'll largely never buy another one simply because there is no value imo
They're just happy selling their niche product which will never menace their fellow PC OEM friends, that will continue ruling the mass market. Nothing wrong with that.
Of course Apple could never do that or the macOS platform would perish in a very short time. But surely they have made their share of bad design decisions in the Butterfly/Touch bar era.
Its not an outlier, it’s the current status quo.
Look, the current laptop market can be roughly broken down into the next four segments. Budget, premium business (uktrabook), gaming, and prosumer/multimedia. Premium business usually start at 8GB RAM, prosumer start at 16GB regardless of the manufacturer. Lenovo Carbon, MacBook Air, Dell XPS are examples of premium business. MacBook Pro (not counting 13”), XPS 15“ etc. Are examples of prosumer.
And that’s exactly my point. If you are in the market for a premium quality laptop with good balance of performance and battery and a good display, those start at 8GB and you’ll have to pay extra to get 16GB.
Desktop market is obviously different since RAM there is almost always user-replaceable. One could argue that Apple doesn’t currently offer anything resembling a usual PC desktop. These are rather low-power computing appliances and it’s a fairly niche market almost completely dominated by Apple.
Apple's M chips have built-in hardware for memory compression. 8Gb of physical RAM can hold significantly more data than 8Gb!
That might help to make memory starved situations more tolerable but it’s not a replacement for more actual RAM.
what for? Of the following eight buyers (myself, my mom, dad, brother, his wife, my wife, parents-in-law [one shared computer], and brother-in-law) exactly one needs more than 8GB of RAM. Me...
Really? I'm not European but I found this in about 6 seconds on the Amazon Germany site. I must be magic.
I found HP laptops with Intel 1235u chip and 512GB SSD under 500€ in a matter of seconds.
Sure they won't have the display / battery runtime / build quality of a Mac, but terrific deals for just getting work done all around.
Yep, that's exactly how it is. To be fair, premium laptops use the more expensive LPDDR RAM while the midrange usually has slotted DDR4, which also accounts for some difference in both the price and the capacity. But it's also likely that "premium" devices have higher margins, especially if you look at the aggregates across the entire configuration spectrum.
As you wish. I am a bit disappointed at the lack of interest to deal with this topic in a matter-of-factly way, but then again, it's not the first time where we fail to negotiate a common discourse method. Different personalities and approaches to analysing data I suppose.
Come on Apple... make 16GB RAM & 512GB SSD on the 3nm M3!
You could hope for those kind of specs on maybe a $1499 Macbook Air in a year from now.
Anything less would be pure wishful thinking.
Unacceptable! It has to be $999 so I can edit my student movie about love not being skin deep!
did you just make that up? 50-60% performance boost by going from 8GB to 16GB. That is not valid. I have 8GB on my M1 MBP and have no performance degradation issues, I almost never see any memory pressure, so extra ram would be 0 benefit. Now if you are running applications that need it (what are they by the way?), then yes, but you probably already have a more souped up version than the one I use, and do more souped up things than I do.
There are over 400 models of laptops on Best Buy's website with 8GB of RAM, just over 500 with 16GB. Hard to say 16GB has become the new minimum without artificially filtering out models by price. The reason Best Buy, Office Max, etc. sell so many laptops with 8GB or less of RAM is because people will buy them.
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There's never any real winning when configuring a Mac or really any Apple product: Whatever you gain in saving money by getting the cheapest baseline configuration of a new product, Apple always "takes away" something equivalent like less internal storage, less RAM, and often times lower quality of some other components, or through software blocked features(like we see in 128GB iPhones Pro).
Whatever Apple does with Macs in the next 1-3 years -You're most definitely not getting any kind of M3, M4, or M5 Mac with 16GB RAM or higher + 1TB SSD for less than $999-$1199.
And if we do see <$999-$1199 Macs with those specs in the near future then it's because Apple is stepping up the cost cutting measures for the lower-end configurations in new ways (think even slower SSDs and lower quality of other components than even the M2 generation for the baseline configurations).
Producers of high-demand products don't need to impress consumers by drastically increasing value/$ to make sales.
Only a drastic downturn in M2 sales would get Apple to bump up value/$ like you are suggesting they should.
12GB chips are already there and are used when you top spec out the M2 chip ... but I am not aware of 6GB chips which they would have to use to achieve 12GB of unified memory on M3 SoC
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But this is capitalism:
Apple will only change value/$ when sales go drastically down.
If Apple's cost cutting for baseline M2 Macs results in a huge downturn in total M2 Mac sales then we might see better value/$ for M3 or M4.
But most Macs are sold to unknowing, casual consumers who just want the "sequel" to the version 1 of the Mac that everybody loved (the M1 Macs).
You can do a lot less than what you "should" when you have a brand as strong as Apple does.
I didn’t. I checked on Idealo for Intel Core i5-1235U laptops and it starts with the Lenovo V15 G3 for 539€ and ends with another Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Yoga G7 for 3,331€.
The later one at that price point offers a 512GB SSD, 16GB RAM and a 1920×1200 WUXGA display. But it is foldable in every direction!
199 offerings with this CPU were above €1000 and 191 offerings below €1000. Only 25 laptops under €650. I consider these Apple prices.
PS: And let’s not forget that Intel x86 CPUs suck and we all upgrade to M-series ARM CPUs to get away from them.
If you want an upgrade you can buy one. I have the base MacBook Pro m1 and as a daily driver it’s more than enough. I can still do 20 tabs of chrome. If you’re doing something with video production then you probably shouldn’t be buying the base but for people like me that just want a solid machine that does 100% of what he wants I’d rather have the cheaper price tag.
No. End thread.
Can we stop beating this horse enough 🤷♂️
Next rehash: Does SSD speed matter for light duties like web browsing or should I get a MBP max chip instead.
(see first sentence)
Can we stop beating this horse enough 🤷♂️
Next rehash: Does SSD speed matter for light duties like web browsing or should I get a MBP max chip instead.
(see first sentence)