Other Will Apple return with Touch ID under the glass?

[JPack]

The problem they have is that android doesn’t support this method of authentication so it can’t be used as a way to pay for things via NFC etc.

Once android supports faceid authentication we will see an explosion in devices with faceid.

Android Q supports it, but we’re not seeing any devices with Face ID. This is apart from the Huawei and Xiaomi devices previously mentioned. Android clearly has access to the hardware.

Android is going in the direction of fingerprint sensor. It’s clear why. They can make a true zero bezel device far more easier with fingerprint.

 

[mrochester]

Android Q supports it, but we’re not seeing any devices with Face ID.

Android is clearly going in the direction of fingerprint sensor. It’s clear why. They can make a true zero bezel device far more easier with fingerprint.

Android Q hasn’t been released yet. You won’t see new devices with FaceID until Android Q has been released. The Pixel 4 will likely be the first with native FaceID support and the flood gates will open after that.

 

[TravisPNW]

Face ID is superior in every way. Couldn't see Apple taking a step back like that, doesn't make sense.

1, in 50000 vs. 1,1000000

Can any of the tech you're suggesting increase those odds!? Seriously asking...

I used to be team Touch ID too, then I saw the light with my first Face ID device. TBH, good riddance Touch ID. You served well, but your watch is now over.

More plausible I think is the shrinkage of the notch, and possibly one day Face ID under the screen.

Love my notch, rounded corners and above all FACE ID!!!

... and amazingly my 8 Plus has yet to be broken into.

I'd wager my life 50,000 random people could attempt to break into my phone and all would fail. Hence, the 1 in 50,000 is just a number Apple executives pulled out of their collective arses to increase sales.

What's cool though is my 8 Plus is just as good a phone as it was 2 years ago and I'll be keeping it a 3rd year. No reason to upgrade because Face ID isn't a deal maker for me... and neither is the OLED screen. (Love the 65" OLED in the home theater though )

Phone tech has caught up and I'm no longer a member of the yearly upgrade club and cost has nothing to do with it... it's because the upgrades listed above as well as the minimal camera bumps every year are something I don't care about.

 

[bushman4]

With this TOF camera coming in 2020 makes it even more doubtful that Apple will revert back to any form of Touch ID. UNFORTUNATELY

 

[subjonas]

With this TOF camera coming in 2020 makes it even more doubtful that Apple will revert back to any form of Touch ID. UNFORTUNATELY

Why is that? Isn’t the tof camera on the back?

 

[44267547]

With this TOF camera coming in 2020 makes it even more doubtful that Apple will revert back to any form of Touch ID. UNFORTUNATELY

Considering Tim Cook said explicitly face ID was the future for biometric security, that’s a shock to you that touch ID may not be used? (Rhetorical).

 

[se7endreams]

Considering Tim Cook said explicitly face ID was the future for biometric security, that’s a shock to you that touch ID may not be used? (Rhetorical).

Just because someone states something with certainty, doesn't automatically mean it's final. Things change all the time.

 

[BeeGood]

Considering Tim Cook said explicitly face ID was the future for biometric security, that’s a shock to you that touch ID may not be used? (Rhetorical).

I didn’t read “shock” from his post. I read “disappointed”, which is certainly reasonable.

There are situations where TouchID works better. I occasionally want to unlock my phone when it’s flat on its back on my desk, or when one of my kids is holding it.

Some of us just don’t think FaceID is objectively better than TouchID. That’s not a knock against it...it’s fine. But different people have different preferences.

 

[CTHarrryH]

While I'm sure there are instances where it is better - I just don't find TouchID anywhere as reliable as FaceID. I have an iPhone X with FaceID and an iPad with touch - rarely does the iPad ever unlock on first try and the phone does with Face 99+% of the time - just my experience and how I use them

 

[Anarchy99]

if Touch ID can be re-implemented they would be stupid not to reinclude it.
there are many people who prefer it, as well as some instances where it is more convenient/accurate compared to FaceID.
plus if they can re-add it there nothing saying they cant leave the FaceID tech (which they will want to keep because of animoji and similar gimmicks)

so this means even if its not the default the uber security conscious person could opt for needing both to work together, which sounds like a new feature they could market.

 

[44267547]

While I'm sure there are instances where it is better - I just don't find TouchID anywhere as reliable as FaceID.

That’s interesting that you say that, because usually the argument is the opposite, where others say that face ID is not as reliable as touch ID. I find both of them to be extremely different experiences, where touch ID was very reliable, with the exception of damp/wet fingers v.s. face ID, where it’s reliable, but not when laying down/in certain lighting conditions.

Side note:

A lot of times, I read where members think that biometric security should be perfect. Perfect doesn’t exist in a biometric world in terms of protecting security and providing flawless unlocking/locking. No matter what Apple uses for the future form of biometric security, none of it will be perfect, contrary to what others believe that Face ID should be perfect.

 

[ziyuel]

Nope, the face id is way better

 

[JPack]

Here. We. Go.

Kuo: Apple to release iPhone with both Face ID and under-screen Touch ID in 2021

This comes as no surprise for people following news about the advancements in ultrasonic fingerprint sensor tech.

 

[I7guy]

Three years? FPS will have taken a 5 year hiatus in total!

 

[Shirasaki]

Here. We. Go.

Kuo: Apple to release iPhone with both Face ID and under-screen Touch ID in 2021

This comes as no surprise for people following news about the advancements in ultrasonic fingerprint sensor tech.

I welcome this change, since Face ID is a lot less reliable than Touch ID and more prone to “covered faces” “weird angles” and such. Touch ID does not have those problems, though wet finger can render it useless. Both should complement each other, not replacing each other, just like wired connection and wireless transfer.

 

[dominiongamma]

I welcome this change, since Face ID is a lot less reliable than Touch ID and more prone to “covered faces” “weird angles” and such. Touch ID does not have those problems, though wet finger can render it useless. Both should complement each other, not replacing each other, just like wired connection and wireless transfer.

Touch ID failed half of time with me, with a dirty screen I can see this becoming an issue when scanning the fingerprint, Face ID is 99% better, never had an issue with angles, and distance

 

[Dkka1]

FaceID is very privacy invasive. It’s a camera and sensors capturing your face 24/365

 

[44267547]

FaceID is very privacy invasive. It’s a camera and sensors capturing your face 24/365

Then with your mindset, then you should probably never go out in public, airports or anything alike, because there’s cameras everywhere capturing your face and invading your privacy. Oh, you seem to have a misconception of how face ID actually works by the way.

 

[Dkka1]

Then with your mindset, then you should probably never go out in public, airports or anything alike, because there’s cameras everywhere capturing your face and invading your privacy. Oh, you seem to have a misconception of how face ID actually works by the way.

You have no idea about how face ID actually works, neither do I.

I can not avoid using airports, but I would like to avoid using face scanning tech on my phone.

 

[44267547]

You have no idea about how face ID actually works.

Well, based off your previous response filled with nonsensical hyperbole, I gather I understand how Face ID ‘works’ in greater understanding then you do. In the least, I’d say I’m not worried about things that you’re overly exaggerating on.

 

[Dkka1]

Well, based off your previous response filled with nonsensical hyperbole, I gather I understand how Face ID ‘works’ in greater understanding then you do. In the least, I’d say I’m not worried about things that you’re overly exaggerating on.

So doesn’t it work by projecting dots that create a 3D map in conjunction with the camera analyzing your attention?

And that data is supposed to not leave your device, right? And that front camera and system is supposed to be unhackable right? So we have to trust that camera always capturing you safely.

Right?

Right.

 

[Azathoth123]

As I understand it, the FaceID data stays on your phone in the Secure Enclave chip, so while it does ‘know’ your face, that data aren’t accessible off your phone, JUST LIKE TOUCHID. If you believe FaceID data are not secure, then TouchID data aren’t either.

One of the reasons that Apple cited for the switch to FaceID is that it is more secure, the failure rate is lower. I cannot see them returning to a less secure mode of authentication. Adding a second mode of authentication would also increase costs, which would appear to be at a breaking point for many MR members (not that we’re a drop in the bucket in Apple’s user base).

Would you be willing to spend an extra $50-200 for a second authentication mode, aka TouchID? I really doubt it, people here would demand that it be free.

 

[Dkka1]

As I understand it, the FaceID data stays on your phone in the Secure Enclave chip, so while it does ‘know’ your face, that data aren’t accessible off your phone, JUST LIKE TOUCHID.

One of the reasons that Apple cited for the switch to FaceID is that it is more secure. I cannot see them returning to a less secure mode of authentication. Adding a second mode of authentication would also increase costs, which would appear to be at a breaking point for many MR members (not that we’re a drop in the bucket in Apple’s user base).

Would you be willing to spend an extra $50-200 for a second authentication mode, aka TouchID? I really doubt it, people here would demand that it be free.

“As I understand it”

Sure, I’m going to trust a big tech company blindly with my privacy because cough cough siri third party contractors.

Oh wait.

Or even better, I’m going to decode de OS and reverse engineer all the hardware so I can say I know how it works.

 

[44267547]

So doesn’t it work by projecting dots that create a 3D map in conjunction with the camera analyzing your attention?

And that data is supposed to not leave your device, right?

Since you’re asking me rhetorically, I’ll go ahead and answer this anyways. Any information that stored on the iPhone, rather it be from Face ID or touch ID, is stored on the secure enclave of the iPhone, not even Apple has access to that. So there again, you _don’t _ understand how Face ID works, clearly.

 

[Dkka1]

Since you’re asking me rhetorically, I’ll go ahead and answer this anyways. Any information that stored on the iPhone, rather it be from Face ID or touch ID, is stored on the secure enclave of the iPhone, not even Apple has access to that. So there again, you _don’t _ understand how Face ID works, clearly.

Sure mate, can you probe that?

I can probe that previous front facing cameras were hackable. And that alone is a reason to cover it, whether it has to do with the whole face id tech or not, part of it is still the front facing camera.