This being just one example, there's a lot of blatant trolling going on here. That's a shame, and not cool.
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Will there be a new Mac Pro in 2015?
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Count me as one of those. I can't see any advantages with the nMP for my work as a composer using Logic. It's really sad to say it, but eventually I will most likely be forced to Windows. I really prefer the OS X environment and Logic, but it is clear that Apple are not doing anything for "power" composers anymore (composers doing orchestral, film scores etc that need a lot of horse-power. Ie I still run two PC slaves on top of my 2009 Mac Pro). They targetted the nMP at photographers/graphic artists solely more or less. And I see most professionel environments phasing out the Mac over the next decade because of the lack of commitment from Apple.
When the mac pro came out, you couldn't even buy the parts from DABS or amazon for that price. When it was first launched it was superb value. Not now, obviously, which is why we all wait. HP, Dell, all much more expensive at launch. I specced up an HP with PCI-E SSDs, equivalent graphics cards, processor and it was way more expensive.
I place a wager now that when the next nMP comes out, it will be cheaper than the parts you could buy from amazon, and cheaper than an equiv HP or dell.
Only if you made the mistake of using AMD Firepro instead of 7950 which the nMP is actually equiped with.
7950 - 2.83 teraflops vs D700 = 3.5
7950 - 3GB RAM vs D700 = 6GB
etc etc
If you play games obv firepros are no good.
Same chip architecture, clocked differently and with more ram. AMD isn't the only one doing this has I have in my Dell XPS a "Dell special edition" Nvidia GTX740 with 4Gig of ram and a speed boost while the regular 740 as only two.
When comparing price of the nMP people use the Firepro $3k+ price tag instead of the 7950 price.
What you miss is that they are not the same card. The D700 is almost identical to the W9100. If the W9100 was so similar to the HD7950, no-one would buy them. I think you've missed that point.
FirePros are much more expensive for a reason - they are built to do different things. If you want to play games go get a Radeon or whatever. It's like saying 'a 737 can carry more people than an F35, therefore the 737 is better and its cheaper! Wow what a rip off who would buy an F35?!'
They are made for different things.
They are made for different things.
Looking on the bright side, traditional instrument music is slowly being replaced by electronic sounds which over-all don't require as much computing horse power as sampled instruments and voices. So some day that little tube might just be your ticket after all.
Almost identical if you remove 10 gigs of ram, about 800 SP, 60gbits ram bandwidth, and two terraflops of processing power... yes quite the same really...
Hi there...
I currently have a MacPro 2010 (Mid 2010), 2 x 2.93 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon with 64 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC + 512GB SSD Drive with QTY 3 x 2TB internal drives.
I am looking to upgrade to the new cylindrical MacPro but I'm worried a refresh is very much around the corner. I usually invest in a new MacPro to last me for the next 4-5 years, so I don't want to jump in too soon this year if there's a strong chance that a new, improved version is just around the corner.
There's nothing wrong with my current machine... I'm running OSX Yosemite 10.10.1 and I'm using a ASUS Bluetooth 4.0 Dongle in conjunction with Continuity Activation Tool to get me all my Handoff/Continuity features.... so I'm right up to speed... but as a given I usually upgrade my machines every 5 years at the max to keep up with new technology etc...
I'm a traditional style graphic designer... my core apps would still be Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, QuarkXpress 10.5 (soon to be 64bit QuarkXpress 2015). I use Final Cut Pro really for personal/home movie editing, nothing really commercial. I do alot of large format design... 10ft x 6ft corporate graphics artworks, so I do need a workhorse... but I'm not a 4K hogging Video/Animator
Last time round I bought my MacPro at the very highest level I could go.... this time round... after some serious research, I realised I bought way over what I needed... so I'm hoping my new MacPro won't need to cost me as much. Any other similar designers out there willing to let me know what spec they went for... to be able to work effectively with similar apps to what I have.
Any comments or suggestions most welcome.
Regards,
Anthony
Irish MacUser & MacAddict
As others have said, Apple likely won't update the Mac Pro until Thunderbolt 3 is ready to be included with them, given the connector redesign and going from 20Gbps in Thunderbolt 2 to 40Gbps. Given that Thunderbolt is at the core of the current Mac Pro strategy at Apple, it seems likely that they're waiting until this update to proceed further.
Why is that trolling? Just speculating on the motivation behind the lack of a nMP in that image. It is noticeably absent, is it not?
But what in particular would you want Apple to do to accommodate musicians/composers/producers?
As far as I can tell, the only difference for us is the absence of PCIe slots and HDD bays?
There may be a few PCIe-only products out there, but, by and large, there are ThB alternatives for just about every one of them. Only RME and Metric Halo are skipping Thunderbolt in favor of USB3.
My main concerns with Thunderbolt are cost and longevity. ThB peripherals are still very pricey, and I'm not sure how long the standard is going to be around if we don't see wider industry adoption.
But apart from that, I don't really see any technical disadvantages to the new MacPro. I may not want to buy one myself when it is time to upgrade, but my occasional dabblings with Windows machines only serve to remind me that the grass really isn't all that much greener on that side.
Internal expansion is great and cost-effective, but I agree with the person who previously posted the industry as a whole is moving away from that, so switching platforms would at best buy you a couple of extra years.
Finally, if you indeed run two VEP slaves, an iMac may well be a suitable alternative for you. Nice Mac front-end with Logic, and the PC slaves with the sample libraries. Just a thought.
You have to turn to the next page and you see the nMP along side the other Mac computers...semantics over.
It also has half the VRAM as well. While it may be based on an AMD 7970 it still has slight hardware changes that make it more suitable in a workstation environment with pro software.
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I really should be working instead of posting here, but one thought I'd like to put out there:
The one thing not 'Pro' about Apple is that they unsentimentally abandon legacy standards, leaving those who are heavily invested in those technologies with very expensive paperweights.
But they have always done that, it is part of their culture.
Microsoft has always been about maintaining backward-compatibility, so for those to whom that's important, Windows would be a better fit.
The one thing not 'Pro' about Apple is that they unsentimentally abandon legacy standards, leaving those who are heavily invested in those technologies with very expensive paperweights.
But they have always done that, it is part of their culture.
Microsoft has always been about maintaining backward-compatibility, so for those to whom that's important, Windows would be a better fit.
It also half the VRAM as well.
Oh, you mean the W9100? I don't think the W9100 was released yet until after the 2013 Mac Pro came out. I'm not sure if its an exact match to the D700. As far as I know the D700 is more based on the W9000.
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Semantics....? Errr, no. The nMP is not found on on the home “mac” page, apple.com/mac, except for the little icon to click to take you to the nMP specific page. It isn’t shown in fancy images making it look all shiny and cool. This is not a debate over the meaning of words.
Looking on the bright side, traditional instrument music is slowly being replaced by electronic sounds which over-all don't require as much computing horse power as sampled instruments and voices. So some day that little tube might just be your ticket after all.
You're aware that electronic sounds do require a lot of horse power and are indeed mostly samplers? Not to mention that most session are rarely below 200+ tracks with a bulkload of plugins. So artists, producers, studio owners et cetera were really left behind with the new nMP.
Well, I've never felt that Apple had waited out for some new interface to kick in, and most of their Mac Pro updates were random, both in timing and hardware.
You see, ixxx69 and linuxcooldude are special, their mindset is quite particular and selective, always trying to prove the opposite unless you are happy with what Apple is doing with their Mac Pro line up. I'm guessing they both have bought into the latest model and try to defend it as hard as they can. But everybody is free and entitled to voice their opinion, and I'm glad they've done that, but at some point, when you're trying to convey that this is not the point you're making and they still insist on their previous claim, well then I don't know how to have a desultory conversation anymore.
I don't think it isn't about legacy standards, to me they've introduced an unconventionally high priced Mac Pro with mediocre specs and odd design choices, which leave you with an entirely new side investment to get something going you were able to do with your last Mac Pro right out of the box: basically at a much higher price with mediocre hardware specs and enforced side ivestments of at least another grand to use more than just the meager 250 GB of internal storage for the base model and possible further accomodations for optical drives and graphics cards upgrades. And for those who are supportive of its portability, well I dunno but that's what the Macbook Pro is actually there for.
If you go to the now famous "Compare Mac Models" picture you click on the link "Find the best Mac for you" It shows the nMP right along side their other models...Yes, semantics.
Right, but its not in that picture...uh...
Do describe, in detail, how anything I’ve said can be construed as debating the meaning of a word.
Well, here’s a point regarding semantics: You don’t know what the meaning of semantics is.
I'm not the one who brought the W9100 into the discussion. That was the other guy.
Talking about special...from comparing mismatched models to comparing VRAM on video cards that were not released yet at the time. 7950 instead of a 7970. Special is in the eyes of the beholder. It really has nothing to do with defending a product line, but has everything to do with dispelling inaccurate information. So that is my opinion.
But you were just as quick to use it against me without knowing.
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