Will there be a new Mac Pro in 2015?

[askunk]

ladies and gentle...from my thread...i posted a link to a page where they may have black listed mac pro permanently.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads...f-the-road-for-mac-pro.1912785/#post-21784856

I don't even remotely think Apple will discontinue the MP anytime soon.
All the investments for the new assembly chain in USA, plus Schiller's words on it "this is the design for the next 10 years", lead to a complete different direction.

Apple has always been very careful with the wording...

 

[filmak]

I don't even remotely think Apple will discontinue the MP anytime soon.
All the investments for the new assembly chain in USA, plus Schiller's words on it "this is the design for the next 10 years", lead to a complete different direction.

Apple has always been very careful with the wording...

Perhaps he meant that this v.1 nMP will be here for the next 10 years -> no updates.

Just joking....

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

The Acer Aspire R13 and the nMP-like Revobuild...except that it is modular. Both connect to an upgradable eGPU module over Thunderbolt 3.

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/09/these-two-computers-get-better-when-you-dock-them/

 

[avkdm]

I really don't think you really have any idea how behind the times and backwards this sounds. You're entitled to that opinion of course, but with an attitude like that, it doesn't make much sense why you would even want a Mac or even care about it. The vast majority of users seek out the Mac to get away from what you're talking about.

I care about Apple, I care about OSX, Windows, Linux et al,
I dont care for people that think end users hold the key to supremacy of how PCs should work. Not so long ago in a galaxy far far away, evolution would have took care of people like that. Mores the pity that we live in recent times so that will not be the case.
You are entitled to your opinion of course.
Im also sorry if you dont have any idea what I am talking about.
By the way simpleton computers already exist.

 

[avkdm]

p.s Great post #2076 MVC, Elmore Leonard would have been proud!

 

[goMac]

i.e. If someone selects and use as a startup drive an external disk, and as everybody knows this is something that Apple officially supports...

Do they officially support that?

They certainly do for maintenance/recovery sorts of stuff, but you might want to look that one up.

Why should an eGPU be a different thing?

I'm going to try this again...

Let's say some guy on the internet, who has a name like, I don't know... AppleGraphicsBoards starts selling Thunderbolt GPUs. And he sells a lot of them. Maybe to kids in their dorm rooms who want to play games on their Macbook Airs. But because he doesn't do an IQ check before he sells cards, these kids are dumb. And they all yank their GPUs out when they have to run to class and crash their machines. A bunch of them even corrupt their boot disks, or maybe at least loose their really important report.

The attitude here, and rightfully so, is that those kids should have figured out they can't hot disconnect the GPU, and the data loss is their own fault for them not being careful.

Except now when those kids have machines that won't boot anymore, where are they going to go? The genius bar at their local Apple store. Where Apple is going to have to pay people to clean up the resulting mess, even if it was the user's own fault.

That's what you guys can't seem to get through your heads. When you have users doing stupid things, Apple has support overhead to clean it up. That's why they're not officially going to support it. The conspiracy theory its that Apple is trying to block third party development of Thunderbolt GPUs because they want to control the market and sell their own. That's not it at all. They don't want to have to deal with the support overhead of dealing with morons. AppleGraphicsBoards can wash his hands of the responsibility and go "well you shouldn't have done that", but then Apple support has to clean it up. Works out well for Mr. AppleGraphicsBoards, not so well for Apple.

 

[pat500000]

I don't even remotely think Apple will discontinue the MP anytime soon.
All the investments for the new assembly chain in USA, plus Schiller's words on it "this is the design for the next 10 years", lead to a complete different direction.

Apple has always been very careful with the wording...

To be honest, I can't remotely tell if he was being serious or if phil was just talking to get the mp hyped. It's really strange how APPLE does not really talk much about mp. I hate being pessimistic but...i dunno...

 

[flat five]

To be honest, I can't remotely tell if he was being serious or if phil was just talking to get the mp hyped.

pretty sure he was being serious.. i mean, come on.. if they wanted MP to go until 2016, they'd of just done a 6.1 cmp.. why go through all the trouble of a nmp if it was a one off?
makes no sense.

It's really strange how APPLE does not really talk much about mp. I hate being pessimistic but...i dunno...

right.. because they talked about/promoted the old one soo much too.. :rollseyes_but_winking:

 

[pat500000]

pretty sure he was being serious.. i mean, come on.. if they wanted MP to go until 2016, they'd of just done a 6.1 cmp.. why go through all the trouble of a nmp if it was a one off?
makes no sense.



right.. because they talked about/promoted the old one soo much too.. :rollseyes_but_winking:

???
Well..i mean look at iMac and macbook pro. It's being promoted like crazy (excluding iPhones)
So why won't apple have mp ads at least few times?

 

[flat five]

???
Well..i mean look at iMac and macbook pro. It's being promoted like crazy (excluding iPhones)
So why won't apple have mp ads at least few times?

i don't know why.. my point was more about nmp being very similar to classic mac pro in terms of promotion by apple.. business as usual it seems..

i'm also guessing apple sells thousands of times the amount of imac/laptops as they do mac pro so you'll probably promote those more as you get more bang for your advertising buck..

that said,i can't recall any recent mac ads.. i don't watch much t.v but possibly enough to have noticed at least one
?

 

[pat500000]

i don't know why.. my point was more about nmp being very similar to classic mac pro in terms of promotion by apple.. business as usual it seems..

i'm also guessing apple sells thousands of times the amount of imac/laptops as they do mac pro so you'll probably promote those more as you get more bang for your advertising buck..

that said,i can't recall any recent mac ads.. i don't watch much t.v but possibly enough to have noticed at least one
?

i hear yah.

 

[goMac]

Has Apple ever had a Mac Pro ad since they introduced the original? I don't think they even had a G5 ad. I don't think there has been a pro tower ad in the last 15 years.

Technically the nMP has had one ad, which is more than all the cMP models combined.

 

[pat500000]

Has Apple ever had a Mac Pro ad since they introduced the original? I don't think they even had a G5 ad. I don't think there has been a pro tower ad in the last 15 years.

Technically the nMP has had one ad, which is more than all the cMP models combined.

That's true. Wondering why they rarely advertise them..that's what i want to know (regardless of sales base and regardless of consumer based).

 

[flat five]

I don't think they even had a G5 ad.

not really an ad.. but just for fun ->

: )

 

[pat500000]

Perhaps he meant that this v.1 nMP will be here for the next 10 years -> no updates.

Just joking....

if that's true...

 

[goMac]

That's true. Wondering why they rarely advertise them..that's what i want to know (regardless of sales base and regardless of consumer based).

The Mac Pro is something where if you're the target market, you already know about it. Ads for the Mac Pro won't increase sales.

All the Macs have pretty much reached this point. Apple doesn't run ads for the iMac or a Macbook Pro because if you're looking for a laptop or a desktop, you're already familiar with those machines.

 

[pat500000]

The Mac Pro is something where if you're the target market, you already know about it. Ads for the Mac Pro won't increase sales.

All the Macs have pretty much reached this point. Apple doesn't run ads for the iMac or a Macbook Pro because if you're looking for a laptop or a desktop, you're already familiar with those machines.

and what about iPhones? Didn't they have lot of ads to promote iPhones even though people should be familiar enough about it, yes?

 

[goMac]

and what about iPhones? Didn't they have lot of ads to promote iPhones even though people should be familiar enough about it, yes?

iPhone market is a lot more competitive. The workstation market isn't. Either you're going to buy a Mac Pro or you aren't. An ad on TV isn't going to make anyone want to buy a Mac Pro more or less. Not at least for pros, which is the target market.

All the people in this forum who complain about the nMP aren't going to have their mind changed by a TV ad. But someone who has an Android phone might have their mind changed.

Some guy who has an HP workstation isn't going to go "Well I was going to buy another HP, until I saw this real cool Mac Pro ad..."

The nMP had TV/theater ads even and it still hasn't changed much. So it's been proven ads for the Mac Pro don't change sales.

 

[pat500000]

iPhone market is a lot more competitive. The workstation market isn't. Either you're going to buy a Mac Pro or you aren't. An ad on TV isn't going to make anyone want to buy a Mac Pro more or less. Not at least for pros, which is the target market.

All the people in this forum who complain about the nMP aren't going to have their mind changed by a TV ad. But someone who has an Android phone might have their mind changed.

Some guy who has an HP workstation isn't going to go "Well I was going to buy another HP, until I saw this real cool Mac Pro ad..."

The nMP had TV/theater ads even and it still hasn't changed much. So it's been proven ads for the Mac Pro don't change sales.

That is TRUE. I could agree to that. I think my "overall" complaint of the other thread is that MP may or may not evolve to current time. If not, man...iMAC have to do. I don't know. Is it possible for apple to get rid of their flag ship?

 

[goMac]

That is TRUE. I could agree to that. I think my "overall" complaint of the other thread is that MP may or may not evolve to current time. If not, man...iMAC have to do. I don't know. Is it possible for apple to get rid of their flag ship?

I don't see it happening. Too much noise around the Fury Nano, too much invested in a manufacturing line, too much use in and outside Apple. If I were sitting in an executive's chair, I'd try to go back after the people that Apple lost, but besides that, I think there is enough to justify another revision.

Things that have nothing to do with anything:
1) Product shots - Apple doesn't usually include the Mac Pro in "product family shots."
2) Store placement - Apple typically moves the Mac Pros off the floor for the holiday season
3) Appearances at non-Apple press events or shows - Third party vendors don't determine Apple's priorities
4) Apple 5k Displays - On hold until Thunderbolt 3. No other Mac besides the iMac is getting them either until Thunderbolt 3.

Team shuffling is interesting but really hard to read into. Dedicated Mac and iOS teams have been dissolved as well, but the Mac and iOS weren't cancelled. Rather Apple reorganizes from time to time and integrates teams that might be doing redundant work. If the Mac Pro team was dissolved (and I haven't seen that from any other source), it could mean any number of things. Mac Pro could be cancelled, or they could just be merging with the iMac team and creating a desktop Mac team. Who knows. Without any other reports, really hard to read into.

FWIW - The analysts seem to be betting on a new Mac Pro release in early 2016.

 

[pat500000]

I don't see it happening. Too much noise around the Fury Nano, too much invested in a manufacturing line, too much use in and outside Apple. If I were sitting in an executive's chair, I'd try to go back after the people that Apple lost, but besides that, I think there is enough to justify another revision.

Things that have nothing to do with anything:
1) Product shots - Apple doesn't usually include the Mac Pro in "product family shots."
2) Store placement - Apple typically moves the Mac Pros off the floor for the holiday season
3) Appearances at non-Apple press events or shows - Third party vendors don't determine Apple's priorities
4) Apple 5k Displays - On hold until Thunderbolt 3. No other Mac besides the iMac is getting them either until Thunderbolt 3.

Team shuffling is interesting but really hard to read into. Dedicated Mac and iOS teams have been dissolved as well, but the Mac and iOS weren't cancelled. Rather Apple reorganizes from time to time and integrates teams that might be doing redundant work. If the Mac Pro team was dissolved (and I haven't seen that from any other source), it could mean any number of things. Mac Pro could be cancelled, or they could just be merging with the iMac team and creating a desktop Mac team. Who knows. Without any other reports, really hard to read into.

FWIW - The analysts seem to be betting on a new Mac Pro release in early 2016.

Again, I agree and won't deny it.
1) I can understand the photo shots and not including mac pro. However, doesn't it make you be curious as of why? or maybe they didn't feel like adding it.
3) Hmm...continously thinking about 3rd party...yeah...it's not officially apple...and it doesn't really impact apple in anyway...hmm..

what really gets me is the trend of mac pro. We probably need more info on this.

 

[goMac]

1) I can understand the photo shots and not including mac pro. However, doesn't it make you be curious as of why? or maybe they didn't feel like adding it.

Over the years it hasn't been part of a lot of press shots. Maybe the photo people just don't feel it fits the shot. Who knows. I don't think it's a sign of anything at all. The 13" MBP, 11" Air and 27" iMac/Retina iMac aren't in the shot either and I wouldn't read into that either.

People in these parts work themselves up over nothing. I doubt the person who created that image knows anything about future plans for the Mac Pro. It's not like they share all the super secret roadmaps with the graphics department months or years out.

My personal guess: It looks like a black square from the side. Not great for a profile shot, so they probably didn't use it.

 

[filmak]

Do they officially support that?

They certainly do for maintenance/recovery sorts of stuff, but you might want to look that one up.

Yes. they do support it. I didn't have time for more but...please check https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201189
Apple's words:
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I'm going to try this again...

I just wrote about the eGPU, as a concept, from a technical point of view, trying to tell probably the same thing, not to support any individual.

The eGPU is not for everyone, you gave also a good example about the kids, perhaps the pros with more tech knowledge should be more comfortable with the current disconnect restrictions and the risks etc.
Yes, I agree with you that Apple is not going to support officially eGPUs now for the reasons you have mentioned.

I didn't have in mind... AppleGraphicsBoards when posting, I thought that it was about his personal attempts, just for making it work, not something for selling to others.
Imho if there is no official support, how can someone sell this kind of stuff without any kind of support? this is not very responsible. I don't think that someone could do this...

AppleGraphicsBoards can wash his hands of the responsibility and go "well you shouldn't have done that", but then Apple support has to clean it up. Works out well for Mr. AppleGraphicsBoards, not so well for Apple.

It is not so good for the user who paid for everything too, kid or not.

I'm sorry but this was not really necessary...

That's what you guys can't seem to get through your heads.

 

[filmak]

FWIW - The analysts seem to be betting on a new Mac Pro release in early 2016.

This is completely logical.

Also this is the subject of this thread...

 

[filmak]

Do they officially support that?

They certainly do for maintenance/recovery sorts of stuff, but you might want to look that one up.

And of course you 're correct about the maintenance etc.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202796

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