My iMac is 2009, I’ll upgrade it next year unless it fails. I maxed out the memory and added a SSD. I use wired Ethernet. My external storage is old school FW800 and it works fine. I have issues with the screen brightness so that’s my complaint. I’m sure you can squeeze out another year or two and get something you love, rather than having buyers remorse in a year.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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I love it when Apple suppliers discontinue old kit forcing Apple to offer 'NEW' solutions.
Maybe the 21 inch iMac monitor is no longer being made... :O
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For the prices Apple charges, I recommended Apple Mac users rinse every last bit of performance and time out of their investment. I've loved both my 24 inch and 27 inch iMacs. 11 years active service 'tween them.
My late 2012 iMac is 'dead.' GPU fried in March. Had it 7.3 years. The only year I 'pushed' it playing a 2004 game was this last year and it couldn't cope
Well, only the Bootcamp portion still works with caterpillar green fleks.
(Please, no jokes.)Ergo. I'm buying what they release at WWDC.
Azrael.
I don't think the tweet is credible. The present range sports low end GPUs for the 21.5" (which in RDNA terms would be the 5500 and 5600), leaving the higher ones for the 27".
If the 23"comes out with 5700/5700XT, then the 27" would go for the mid-range RDNA2, given big Navi ends in an IMP.
I think that the 23" will go for lower-end (up to the RX 5600), whereas 5700/5700 XT (still hoping to get the RDNA1 refresh, at least) will be for the 27".
If the 23"comes out with 5700/5700XT, then the 27" would go for the mid-range RDNA2, given big Navi ends in an IMP.
I think that the 23" will go for lower-end (up to the RX 5600), whereas 5700/5700 XT (still hoping to get the RDNA1 refresh, at least) will be for the 27".
Maybe most of the 1 million iMac buyers who walked into an Apple store just bought from the models Apple had on offer/display and many didn't know better. All of which have Fusion Drive. I can hear the sales talk now...
That sales talk is 8 years old. Profitable, no doubt. But way past its 'sell by' date.
'Here...take this £1750-£2250 iMac which has an ancient kludge old tech' platter drive (Fusion Drive)...' Sales and Marketing. (From the company that likes discarding legacy hardware ports and ear phone jacks when it suits then but has a slight problem loosing the 8 year old 'legacy' nickle and diming profit machine of the Fusion Drive and the '3 year old' legacy Polaris.)
*holds nose.
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The 24 incher with RX 5600 would make a decent games machine.
The 27 incher with the 5700/5700XT is on point.
I'd be very happy with that outcome. (in the context of what the iMac currently is.)
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*shakes head. Oh....dear....y....deary......me....
So...slow. IS that 6 years of progress, Apple? What happened to driving down boot times to instant?
Dreadful. Fusion Drives. Marketing speak for old tat.
And on the flag ship mainstream desktop Mac.
Absolutely disgraceful.
Azrael.
Mark Gurman said the iMac was getting a "substantial" update in one of his Tweets a few weeks back. I think WWDC is where we will see a new iMac with the following:
thinner bezels making the 21.5" to 23" but keeping the 27" iMac screen and reducing the footprint
better specs, processors, graphics and so on
possibly updated speakers (Apple's audio team have been killing it lately)
Maybe an update to the screen? still keeping 4K and 5K but maybe improving the colours/accuracy
Space grey option.
IF this is what Apple ends up doing, I will order a 27" iMac 5K to replace my late 2012 iMac! I really hope Apple does this and we see it at WWDC. C'mon Apple make me happy
this would be exactly what I’d want! Would buy immediately.
*Puts on his crazy face. I know.
No wonder Apple are content to do slow updates, sell old junk, raise prices if even Mac users can't demand better than this old pile of junk!
The 'Premium' computer with 'old junk.' 8 years and counting. If cheese was in your fridge that long...you'd call in a health inspector...
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Never settle. Steve Jobs.
Love this post.
Steve would want more from us than throwing our bodies on the Fusion Drive to defend it 8 years on as old tech'. Mac OS 9 was well loved...and nobody threw their bodies on its coffin...
Time to let go...
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I hate Nvidia for making extremely expensive GPUs the norm. Anyone remember that the 1080 Ti was around £650-700? Those were the days.... I was about to complain about a £900 GPU, but AMD could price their flagship at that, and it would be acceptable to many people. I am hoping that Big Navi has at least a 30% improvement over the 2080 Ti....
Mark Gurman said the iMac was getting a "substantial" update in one of his Tweets a few weeks back. I think WWDC is where we will see a new iMac with the following:
thinner bezels making the 21.5" to 23" but keeping the 27" iMac screen and reducing the footprint
better specs, processors, graphics and so on
possibly updated speakers (Apple's audio team have been killing it lately)
Maybe an update to the screen? still keeping 4K and 5K but maybe improving the colours/accuracy
Space grey option.
IF this is what Apple ends up doing, I will order a 27" iMac 5K to replace my late 2012 iMac! I really hope Apple does this and we see it at WWDC. C'mon Apple make me happy
I hope this is right. I'm ready to leave my MacBook Pro with its keyboard issues behind. I would have bought a 2019 model already, but the lack of an ssd in stock models makes it a no go. Also refurbs have been very supply limited in the last few weeks.
I hear what you're saying, gusping.
Nvidia took full advantage of a lack of competition from Radeon. And jacked up the prices for the OVER RATED RTX series. And then subsequently replaced that 'alpha testing' series with the 'S' series (beta testing) series. The real deal? 'Ampere' will bring the promise of playing Ray Tracing. Nvidia saw off Voodoo fx (bought their assets?). Saw of SG? And there used to be Matrox. There used to be competition in the gpu market. This is what happens when you get down to 'only' two vendors.
Same with INtel. You only get one dominant cpu manufacturer and what do you get? High prices. No Cyrix to provide token 3rd tier competition. Intel sat on their profits. We were at four cores for years until Keller (?) got AMD and Ryzen back in the ring with 6, 8, 12+ cores. That's helped cpu core pricing.
I'm not sure the Radeon competition will bring back GPU pricing to what it was before. But I think it will be better than it has been. With Big Navi across the stack you'll have playable 4k/Ray Tracing at disruptive prices. (But you'll have to wait, as always for it to come to the Mac...) eg. Maybe a 6700XT at £450. It will blow the Radeon 5700XT out the water. And the 1080Ti. Which, looking back, seems like a bargain...by way of comparison to the ludicrous prices. £1200 for a 2080 Ti? Not worth it. GPU prices have risen whilst cpu prices have fallen. Ironically. They've swapped places.
And in Apple's case. Just the same. A lack of competition in who offers Mac hardware...means you get stale designs, under performing hardware for monopoly prices. They don't have direct competition so they have no pressure to trim prices. But that won't work forever. Once the buying public get that 'feeling' they're being rinsed and what they have is 'good enough' and close their wallets eg. on evolutionary phone updates or Fusion Drives on Mac or paying £300 for an iPad keyboard (laughs...) then Apple will have to try harder for their profits.
We'll see what Apple offers. I expect it to be Navi1.
Azrael.
I hope they drop then next week - two more weeks is all of a sudden a very long time.
They should drop the fusion drive. The idea was OK eight years ago but not now. What about selling a 5 year 2Tb iCloud storage instead and bundle that with 256 Gb drives? Pay once any use for 5 years. Monthly payments are so irritating.
They should drop the fusion drive. The idea was OK eight years ago but not now. What about selling a 5 year 2Tb iCloud storage instead and bundle that with 256 Gb drives? Pay once any use for 5 years. Monthly payments are so irritating.
Because they don't know better? Probably. Sitting ducks for Apple's marketing in that context. That's probably helped brick and mortar Apple Store sales of millions of iMacs.
Yeah? Who gets to decide who the 'haters' are and who are the arbitars of the 'noise?' The Mac far right? Or the Mac far left? Or the millions that 'don't know better?' (When buying their cutting edge Fusion Drives.)
One of the benefits of being on a forum is that you can quickly weight up the state of the universe through reasoned debate and discord. And I do enjoy seeing newcomers to the iMac thread catching onto the idea that a new iMac might be released soon and be spared paying thousands for OLD kit. I'm sure Apple's stores don't mind selling us 1-3 year old iMacs in the meantime...
Steve Jobs would have probably put the Fusion Drive in the trash can by now.
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Well...as the WWDC looms, we can feel the heaviness of the wait.
They aint dropping next week. We're getting a new design at WWDC2020.
We can expect maybe some minor leaks next week-ish. Perhaps confirmation the iMacs will take a bow at the WWDC.I could just about 'accept' the Fusion Drive (I bought one, folks...) at the time. Though I grumbled about the lack of SSD as standard. To me, it was a cop out. 8 years later? 2012? Legacy hardware. There are probably Macs bought sooner than that that have been declared legacy.
SSD drives are dirt cheap now. The price difference between a 256/512 pretty much nominal. 1TB SSDs? Have broken teh £100 barrier. The fact that Apple uses a faster or much faster version is pretty academic. Why not use faster cheaper SSDs than 'slower' nickle and dime platter drives. Even a cheap SSD could benefit price conscious Mac Mini buyers. Yet those come with 256 and 512 drives for around £800 and £1100. The Macbook Pro has 512 gig SSDs. 16 gigs of ram. Take away teh current iMac's screen and it's poor, mediocre value. It's everything that's wrong with Mac desktops now. The Mac Pro is an absurd, reality warping joke and the Mac Mini you get 'nothing' for £1100.
The iMac is Apple's best chance for a Power. Value. Design. Desktop.
If Apple could step out of their millionaire lifestyles and see what the rest of us see on the outside of their billionaire campus that Steve built.
Monthly payment suck. For Cloud storage or software.
Offer a 512 SSD iMac. And Mac users can get external SSDs with 1TB plus away from Apple. Where competition exists.
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To be honest everyone these days can start an account and tweet speculations or post things others already have posted. That account started in 2016 and has only 169 followers...
I understand how you feel on that. I grimaced when I saw RTX pricing. But again, that's what a lack of competition gets you. Nvidia. Apple. Intel. All guilty of it. Corporations are increasingly giving less for more cash.
As for Big Navi. I think it will beat the intestines of the RTX 2080 Ti transparent.
Probably by 15-30%. And at a much cheaper price. £300 cheaper. For starters. I'd say around £900. It will put pressure on Nvidia. No doubt. That's why Nvidia have broken their necks to get Ampere out at around the same time frame.
But where AMD Radeon is really going to hurt them? In the 6700XT range. eg. £450. ie. If you can 4k and raytrace gaming at THIS price point...it takes gusping back to the former levels of great performance at sound prices. Rational prices we can get behind. Even a £600 6800 XT will further hurt the Ampere 3080 Ti for half the price. The Big Navi product stack is going to give Nvidia new levels of hurt not seen in years.
So yeah, Ampere will respond with a 3080 Ti. It may(!) edge out the Big Navi. But will people pay £1200 when you can get a 4k ray tracing disruptor card for, just about, a third of the price?
Azrael.
PS. Here's some 'Ass innovating' discussion...
Discussion of the options open to Desktop Mac buyers.
I quite enjoy his dry, abrasive and humorous rambles.
Just another user of Macs wanting something other than 'oxygen' starved...
*That said. I expect the new iMac to raise a shadow over many 'modest' Hackintosh builds. The twitter rumour above whether genuine or not...is the kind of configuration that will make the iMac come of age to the mainstream iMac buyer.
Discussion of the options open to Desktop Mac buyers.
I quite enjoy his dry, abrasive and humorous rambles.
Just another user of Macs wanting something other than 'oxygen' starved...
*That said. I expect the new iMac to raise a shadow over many 'modest' Hackintosh builds. The twitter rumour above whether genuine or not...is the kind of configuration that will make the iMac come of age to the mainstream iMac buyer.
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錦です。 _rogame氏が未発表のRadeon Proプロセッサをリークしています。
21インチ
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That would make sense. When it says '21 inch' I'm guessing it will be the new 23+ inch iMac. And that the 27 inch may see some boost to its monitor footprint.
Azrael.
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Derool. Wonder if the new iMac will get a res' boost... That 8k looks stunning...
275 ppi at 32 inches. Absolutely unnecessary excess of resolution for computer display. As a result, the excess cost and hardware load.PC Accessories and Peripherals
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Derool. Wonder if the new iMac will get a res' boost... That 8k looks stunning...
This one makes more sense. Although it would confirm that we get old hardware once again.
Re the CPU. The T1 had limited functionality (TouchID, touchbar OS and power). The T2 jumped to deal with many other things: video decode/encode, encryption, white balance, ambient light, webcam controller, SSD controller and help me out to remember all of them...
Will we see a new Tx chip before Apple takes over intel CPUs with their own? I think the Tx chips are a sort of indicator of the state of the transition, which in practical terms has already begun.
Re the CPU. The T1 had limited functionality (TouchID, touchbar OS and power). The T2 jumped to deal with many other things: video decode/encode, encryption, white balance, ambient light, webcam controller, SSD controller and help me out to remember all of them...
Will we see a new Tx chip before Apple takes over intel CPUs with their own? I think the Tx chips are a sort of indicator of the state of the transition, which in practical terms has already begun.
275 PPi at 32 inches.
Absolutely necessary for creative art, drawing and painting on a computer. The higher the dpi the better. I think, for me, the 8k will be the practical limit.
Though the whispers of 16k make me :O
There were many debates as to whether you can see the difference between hi def, 4k and even 4k vs 8k.
I can. The finesse and detail on 8k is breath taking.
Any step up from my current late 2012 iMac display is going to be a huge upgrade. 5k. It will be dramatic for me.
Apple have already gone to 6k.
The 5k iMac was introduced with the hardware (gpu) ill equipped to drive it. And it took years before the gpu could truly handle it 'good enough.' Didn't stop Apple 'going there.'
No 8k iMac. Maybe. But a 6k iMac is probably on the horizon at some point if the XDR is anything to go by. I'd like Apple to surprise us with a 32 inch 6k displayed iMac.
As they once 5k'd the iMac to the great surprise of many. I only expected 4k iMac at the time. And you got the imac computer for the same price or less than Dell charged for it's 5k at the time.
I'd love to see Apple go on the offensive with the iMac and bring in RDNA2 and 6k. That's the future.
Not last year's kit.
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This one makes more sense. Although it would confirm that we get old hardware once again.
Re the CPU. The T1 had limited functionality (TouchID, touchbar OS and power). The T2 jumped to deal with many other things: video decode/encode, encryption, white balance, ambient light, webcam controller, SSD controller and help me out to remember all of them...
Will we see a new Tx chip before Apple takes over intel CPUs with their own? I think the Tx chips are a sort of indicator of the state of the transition, which in practical terms has already begun.
Well, yes. RDNA1. Far better than the current 580 option. But it's a year old.
Azrael.
This one makes more sense. Although it would confirm that we get old hardware once again.
Actually not. It's the same "leaker". Apple usually offers 3- 4 different GPUs in 27".
The debate is mainly people who do not know the standards of how to properly sit at the monitor. They may differ, but in general, in order not to harm the eyes, you need to use the formula: distance = 1-1.25 x display diagonal
Therefore, the larger the diagonal of the monitor, the greater the distance you should be from it in order to minimize harm to your eyes.
We go further. The more we have the distance from the monitor to the eyes, the smaller the ppi boundary at which the human eye can no longer see pixels as separate elements.
Apple is not “just like that”, but quite consciously uses the most optimal amount in its Retina standard, which is why this value is “floating”, because the display sizes of all model devices are different.
In some cases, a very high density with a large diagonal can really matter in photography, graphics, video editing, but these are completely narrowly focused areas in these tasks.
Support of the 8K itself as a phenomenon may be of greater importance. After all, 4K is not only a resolution, it is a set of parameters including many color standards, bitness, colorimetry. 8K will also have advantages in the aggregate of parameters, but at the moment its application cannot be considered even for the medium-mass segment. This is the market for extra-large TVs and experimental Japanese television + this is a kind of technology demonstrator for companies that can show that they can 8K. Like Samsung with its camera in the phone, or Canon with its R5 and others.
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Interesting that the "B" model - which is used in the Mac Mini - was not included in the list of discontinued CPUs. That being said, Intel released a 6th and 8th generation "B" model (both of which Apple used in the Mini), but skipped it in the 7th and 9th generation. So perhaps Intel is now preparing a 10th generation "B" model which would allow for an update to the Mac Mini CPU.
I expect Apple continued to use 8th generation on the low-end because they were cheaper so they could hit those price points. Assuming Intel drops the 9th generation parts to similar pricing, they will likely become the standard for the i5s on the 23" (and maybe 27") with 10th generation being i7 and i9 BTO upgrades.
The 21.5" model uses 65W Coffee Lake parts so they should be able to handle 65W Comet Lake.
Which is what most all of us have been expecting.
Now now - my original post said nothing about "not knowing better". And let us remember, if Apple's goal is to extract maximum revenue out of every customer - which seems to be a common narrative on this website - then they are in fact "leaving money on the table" by not making the top-end pre-configured model you can buy at an Apple Store a 512GB SSD for $100 more.
Honestly, if I was in charge of that matrix I would scrap the $1799 model and make the $1799 model the one with the 3.1GHz i5, 8GB RAM, 575X GPU and 1TB Fusion Drive. I would make the $1999 model the same as the $1799, but with a 2TB Fusion Drive and then the $2299 model would be $2399 with the 512GB SSD.
A clear - “Good” / “Better” / “Best” (or “Meh” / “Okay” / “Good”) in-store lineup.
I expect the real reason why they have it the way they do is the $1799 is the "bottom" model and Apple store employees try to steer folks to the $1999 one and then use the $2299 one as the "closer" because it has better CPU, better GPU and more storage.
It should be the readers of this forum by reporting posts they feel offer little to no value to the thread and the moderators by then removing said posts.
Or the entire Mac product line... He was confident iPads were the future, after all.
Yeah but then I could use 4K displays as a secondary monitor without window-resizing issues so I'd be all for an 8K 32" iMac Pro (even if I had to pay thousands more to get one).
This is true, but I am afraid that 6K is the maximum that the iMac Pro (not ordinary) can get, and that is if we are really lucky.
It depends. All those cards are one year old.
But if they refer to the new one that came out recently in another rumour, then they may well be RDNA1 refresh or even RDNA2.
Either way, if the new AMD GPU dedicated to Apple rumours are true, I would be surprised if they don't put them on the new iMacs.
What else would be the reason to ramp production for a product (desktop GPU) that can only be mounted on an iMac?
Perhaps the Mac Pro could, but apart from Big Navi, the others are quite away from the performance expected for such a machine.
The chance is too great that we can see a previously unrepresented custom versions. Цe must not forget that the 5700XT in the current conditions of design can exist only in a "cropped" form.
Per AMD, "Big Navi" / RDNA 2.0 is not expected until late 2020 which would mean it is something Apple will use for the iMac Pro refresh (also expected in late 2020) and the Mac Pro (via new PCI cards). Especially if "Big Navi" has TDPs over the 250W mark.
As such, I still think we will see RDNA 1.0 Navi 10 in the 27" and Navi 14 in the 23" - I am guessing desktop chips, but underclocked by around 10% to keep the TDPs within acceptable margins (like we see on the current 570/580 series).
As such, I still think we will see RDNA 1.0 Navi 10 in the 27" and Navi 14 in the 23" - I am guessing desktop chips, but underclocked by around 10% to keep the TDPs within acceptable margins (like we see on the current 570/580 series).