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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Not really, metal is a better conductor that air. It is the flow velocity over the chips that determines the cooling. Larger vents decreases the resistance and therefore the flow velocity over the chips increases..
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I would reccommend that anyone contemplating buying one of these that is still on Mojave, go ahead and upgarde now so you don't ruin your experience with the new imac. At least you will have suffered in advance and maybe gotten used to it. That's what I did recently. It was a bit of a mess, but it's now manageable and will make the transition easier. Also, from past experience, try to stay off of a beta when you do the new migration.. Makes it easier.
Consistent with my post about about air flow velocity.
Apple always advertises nicely. Mac Pro 2013 is a great example, my friend.
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In March, the 10th gen desktop CPU wasn't even available. What are you thinking? Announce new iMac series with 9th gen CPU?
Azrael ! Are we there yet ? LOLWatch new stuff comes and I'll be too chicken to be the guinea pig for it . I guess I could slowly migrate while still on the old iMac to keep going . When I had older mac pro I used to just get a new hard drive and install new OS and have the usual 2 different drives etc until the new OS was fully up to speed . I didn't bother with the iMac I have now and kept taking the chances until I heard about the Catalina issues etc . So I'm STILL on Mojave ... Believe it or not I still use iTunes for my song list stuff as it still works great for my music organizing . But I know I will move off that . I am not big on streaming music as I rather have it on my hard drive for management purposes when learning songs on looping software I put the files into that program . We will see ! I then also LIKE sometime early adopting on tech stuff as long as it doesn't frustrate my productivity . BTW Azrael I like your info posts too .
Cheers, Mike The Soundguy. Appreciated.
I hear where you're coming from. I think the thing with the new iMac. It's given you the iMac Pro for half the price. Give or take.
And as you say. With your current set up. You can have OS'es on different hard drives.
For example. My own set up (bar the friend 680MX gpu from late 2012 iMac...) is 'older' OS on the computer. Newer OS on the External SSD. And you can keep adding these like lego bricks. IF you're intention is preserve original work states in 'stasis' to ride out software or even political hardware transitions.
Eg. I'm going to have to buy an Intel iMac now at WWDC. If it lasts 7.3 years (like my current iMac did...) then I would have had my value out of it. Alot can change in the next 7 years...and the Mac ARM transition will be a distant memory by then.
Think iTunes is a great way to organise song lists. I haven't yet converted all my vinyls to iTunes format...but maybe when I get my new iMac...
But you're right to keep to Mojhave given Catalina's flakey reputation. However, the good thing is...you could always take your current set up. Put it all on Mojave. And run it as external OS Mojave?
One thing you could do, if you're not doing it already, it get an external, cheap SSD. Install Cat' and test your current set up on it? That way you can forsee any move to a new iMac? So it would be a bit like you used to do the 'move' on your old tower? I find (my general rule of thumb...) going to a new OS around .5 release it was just about 'safe' to do so.
That said. You get the odd bit of Software (like my copy of Lightwave 9...) that 'stopped' with my current internal OS. (So if I upgraded, it would break. So whilst I upgraded the factory shipped OS, I realised if I went any further I'd lose my software. Age old dilemma. But that 'will go' if any new iMac I buy. But I do have a newer Lightwave 2018 release and hopefully that works with Cat'. If not, I'll probably shift to Blender 3D.
In short, I agree. You have to be careful not to frustrate your productivity with rash OS or software or even hardware moves. Everybody feels that to some degree about the move to Mac ARM. I've tried to be pretty careful with software being Mac/PC compatible. For a variety of reasons.
I'm the same on streaming music, Mike. I like to 'own' my music being a Vinyl kind of guy at heart. And even with iTunes, I want to 'own' my music. So I understand you keeping a hard drive for that. I don't like paying rental over and over again.
Regards,
Azrael.
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I'd love Apple to offer a portrait capable display for £1k. A more rationally priced 6k.
Be great if the iMac could portrait rotate. I'd be in orbit about that..!
I'll probably go for a 4k BenQ which can do that. Not as sexy...but it doesn't cost 6k either. It also has a dual switch capability to display PC/Mac, I think.
Azrael.
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Now...THAT is a good question... (I'd be happy without if it got portrait rotate...)
Azrael.
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THREE (!) ARM based Mac processors. Laptop? Desktop iMac? Desktop Mac Pro?! :O
Implication. The A14x is just a starting point? I'm trying to wrap my head around an A chip unshackled with frequency or running in a fanless environment. This one could blow the doors off. I can see a Mac ARM chip running over Intel on single core.
Apple have pretty much mastered the ARM cpu/gpu for iPad/iPhone. Leaving the competition eating dust.
If the same pans out for Macs. It could be devastating for the x86 cpu competition.
I'm intrigued. ...interesting times incoming.
Azrael.
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It's both!
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The equation for convection can be expressed as:
q = hc * A * dT
where
q = heat transferred per unit time (W, Btu/hr)
A = heat transfer area of the surface (m2, ft2)
hc = convective heat transfer coefficient of the process (W/(m2oC, Btu/(ft2 h oF)) [the medium & its flow properties]
dT = temperature difference between the surface and the bulk fluid (oC, F)As you can see, both are directly related to q
I find Dell Ultrasharp way better than any other monitor I've seen.
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Well...try taking the iPad Pro, enlarge it to 23 and 27”, relatively speaking of course, and imagine placing it on the iMac stand. Just to get a rough idea.
I have personally been wanting the iMac to adopt the iPad Pro design language ever since it was released in 2018 as I think it is one of the sleekest designs Apple has ever created. This is going to be a stunner if true. Can’t wait to see how it will look!
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The Apple Thunderbolt Display and the iMac 27-inch during that time practically had the same exact dimensions, save for the chin of course.
If they announce two versions of the iMac, one with Intel, one with ARM, I take the ARM right now.
I think you're partly right, but I believe focusing on the chips themselves is missing the big picture.
Interesting article : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...u_RYIWOIUYhlFxsHG5hB2UdbaAPkACZZId-TaBLTiz5Jo
" The Apple chip project has been in the works for several years and is considered one of the company’s most secretive efforts. In 2018, Apple successfully developed a Mac chip based on the iPad Pro’s processor for internal testing, giving the company confidence it could announce such a shift this year."
Azrael.
Someone has to be guinea pig so go ahead.
Meanwhile, we will all enjoy intel whilst you wait for developers to catch up. :-D
Meanwhile, we will all enjoy intel whilst you wait for developers to catch up. :-D
I think we'll be pleasantly surprised...
Azrael.
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It's not just the chips. It's the symbiosis of software/hardware working tightly together. The iOS 'sphere'. That market place pivot. The $$$ that will push the A cpus to new heights.
Apple owning the whole stack from A chip to X-Code to Mac joining a billion strong device market place. It brings more software development momentum to the Mac.
Having seen what Procreate on iPad can do. I'm betting a Mac ARM will perform better than Intel Mac and Painter 2020.
And let's consider this. Macs will have Apple cpus in them. This was a fan dream fantasy back in the PPC days. To have Apple producing their own chips? They have every incentive now to make those CPUs kick az.
Azrael.
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Spot on. I'll take that design language anytime.
This could be one stunning iMac if the Macrumours 'mock up' is anything to go by.
Azrael.
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Thank you for the link. I'll check that out. I need that rotate. It's so I can see 'A3' comic art in portrait mode. (I've just searched on Amazon.co.uk. I've booked marked it. £544. Not bad at all.)
Azrael.
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Speaking of which...
TSMC on track for 3nm Apple 'A16' chips in 2022
Apple-supplier TSMC continues to move right along with its manufacturing processes. The Taiwan-based high-end chip foundry maintains that its 3nm fab…
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The Ominous (for Intel...) A16. *(You can hear that can of whoop az' opening right now in Apple HQ.)
I'm still trying to wrap my head around what an A14x will be like in an iPad.
Azrael.
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Long time reader, first time poster...
Q: Is it that much of a stretch to think that the new ARM-based iMac and the redesigned iMAC aren't one-in-the-same?
I think Apple has been preparing for this transition for years. Xcode and the compilation toolchain has improved so radically in the last few years I bet they've had macOS running on it long enough to have already thoroughly tested it. They'll surely have an emulation layer for apps that have not yet been cross-compiled.
It just doesn't make sense to release a total redesign that is outdated in 6-12 months with a subsequent CPU transition.
I think we're going to get it all in one event. Hold on!!
Q: Is it that much of a stretch to think that the new ARM-based iMac and the redesigned iMAC aren't one-in-the-same?
I think Apple has been preparing for this transition for years. Xcode and the compilation toolchain has improved so radically in the last few years I bet they've had macOS running on it long enough to have already thoroughly tested it. They'll surely have an emulation layer for apps that have not yet been cross-compiled.
It just doesn't make sense to release a total redesign that is outdated in 6-12 months with a subsequent CPU transition.
I think we're going to get it all in one event. Hold on!!
"iPad Pro design language" could well also mean that they are replicating the iPad + keyboard silhouette...
Thats the only thing that makes sense to me, but does that mean the redesigned iMac won’t ship for several more months? (Like the trash can Mac Pro reveal)