I wonder if they actually make it thicker again like that. In general the entire back is very interesting to me. Mostly for the RAM door obviously. But also for the ports.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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I wonder if they actually make it thicker again like that. In general the entire back is very interesting to me. Mostly for the RAM door obviously. But also for the ports.
Are you sarcastic? 8086 CPU as in 1978...You know 5 MHz processors. My first own computer was a 80386.
The i7-8086k was an overrated Intel CPU. Just an OC'd 8700k
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Mind if I tag along with you two? sounds fun.
I'm also very curious. If Apple really switches to ARM completely, I won't buy the last Intel iMac for sure. I still remember PowerPC Macs sold in 2006 didn't get Snow Leopard, released in 2009. If Intel would stay along for a while as a coprocessor or at least in the Mac Pro, things look different of course. But that rumour seems to say they will say goodbye to Intel completely.
Big question for me concerning ARM Macs: what will happen to Boot Camp? How would Intel games run on Windows 10 ARM, if they run at all?
I don't want to buy two computers, for sure.
MS may be answering that question RE: Boot Camp themselves with their own push for ARM based Windows in Windows 10X
As for gaming, I feel that the future of PC gaming may lay in streaming, MS has their own streaming solution for Windows and Xbox, Apple is making a push for Apple Arcade but for AAA games they never were one to provide hardware for that.
I'd have thought dev hardware - but I guess it depends on how far they've got with x86 emulation and/or porting their regular apps. Also, on their roadmap and timescale for replacing the whole range...
This time, the initial big gains are going to be at the low end - so an ARM 12" Macbook or Air that can run iWork and performs well with web apps might be a viable product out of the gate, as long as there are still viable intel models available, even if it doesn't run full MS Office or Adobe CS. Also, this time round, I think there will be a lot more apps - especially at the lighter end - that really do just need the 'ARM' box ticking in XCode and a quick re-build, and frankly the big job this time around for application developers isn't going to be fixing/optimising for ARM but, rather, getting rid of any remaining CPU-specific code in favour of Metal/Accelerate/Core Whatever - and you don't actually need an ARM development system to do that. It is 2020 and application code shouldn't need to know what ISA it is running on.
I'm not sure how relevant it is to ARM Macs - Catalyst looks useful for a subset of relatively simple apps that don't need any significant "re-imagining" to switch between pointer/keyboard and multi-touch interfaces and can use the same UI code for both iOS and MacOS, but it's all to do with source-level compatibility and application frameworks. Pretty much all iOS apps compile cleanly for either x86 or ARM anyway (the Xcode debugger works by compiling an x86 version and running it in what is effectively iOS for Mac) Catalyst is not much help for existing Mac apps where the sticking point is whether there is any x86-dependent code in the app or its dependencies.
The only thing that makes me slightly skeptical about the ARM transition is Apple's recent moves to make the iPad Pro work more like a desktop (mouse support in iPadOS, the new magic keyboard... even the new separate branding for iPadOS) which is going to put iPad Pros and ARM MacBooks in direct contention.
I think Intel and Arm Macs will coexist for a foreseeable future. Why a new iMac/iMac Pro (Dec) and an MP in 2019/2020?
What is wrong with that? If you cannot buy configure from start, you cannot afford Apple prices or you have troubles to decide what your computing needs really are. Which type of market are you talking about? "Desktop" in general or enthusiast/gaming? I am arguing about desktop in general.
Wow. Without seeing the cooling system, without seeing the internals, without seeing the actual product, without knowing the ARM CPU performance and specs, the product even not released !
That's very, very founded rumours.
* face palm.
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I really really really hope we get bigger screen in the same envelope. 32" would be perfect and I'm sure even Apple would be ok with it as it would bring the cost of XDR panels down. Sure, it won't have the same specs as XDR but honestly I don't care. 32" 6k with same specs as the current 27" 5k is pretty much perfect. No need for crazy brightness, miniLEDs etc. that hikes the price up. I want screen estate and retina (or close to retina) resolution.
Everything else is just gravy.
So it does look indeed like a substantial update. Seriously, if we get 32" then its an instant buy for me also.
Everything else is just gravy.
So it does look indeed like a substantial update. Seriously, if we get 32" then its an instant buy for me also.
You're right. I highly doubt that they will release an ARM iMac at WWDC since no developer has even started translating their apps, unless it's a dev kit. I guess it will be a quiet release for iMac before or after WWDC with Intel processors, not on the actual event.
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Nobody (outside Apple & MS) knows yet whether an ARM Mac's architecture (which will doubtless go further down the T2 route) will be supported by Windows 10 ARM and/or whether Microsoft will license Win10 ARM for use on Macs. Boot Camp may not even be a thing on ARM Mac.
...then, for games, the next question is what GPUs Apple will be using and whether there are (good) Windows drivers for them - certainly the lower-end laptop/SFF models are likely to be using Apple's own-brand A-series GPUs.
...after that, you're down to whether Windows game developers bother to release Windows-for-ARM versions, otherwise you'll be running games under x86 emulation/translation which is unlikely to be good. Microsoft seem to be serious about ARM this time round, so who knows?, but the only ARM-based Windows machines at the moment are tablets/convertibles designed for "personal productivity", so don't hold your breath for AAA FPS titles or serious-callers-only flight sims.
I think the switch to ARM-based Macs will be nature's way of telling you to buy an XBox... It's not like serious gaming has ever been a priority for Mac - remember, Apple have a leading gaming platform and it is called the iPhone.
OTOH, there's no reason why an ARM Mac shouldn't support virtualisation - but it would be ARM virtualisation and not a great solution for running Windows games. ARM Linux is rather better developed than ARM Windows at the moment.
That's purely for design, nothing special.
iMac Pro already criticized for not able to upgrade RAM by users. What about cleaning the dust? If you cant open it, then you cant clean it which will cause a lot of problems. Clearly, there are more upgradable or user friendly desktop than AIO desktop.
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Nope. 10th gen CPU released recently which is way after March.
The holes double the surface area of the aluminum, which doubles the rate of heat transfer. Physics!
And they look super cool
Apple will have SoC. There will be no dedicated Apple GPU in a Mac.
The SoC will be good with Metal designed apps. Other than that, it will perform slowly. It's normal. Apple controls the compiler, API, and driver of the SoC. It will favour the Metal API. Anything not coded with this will not perform as intended. And Metal make use of the AI portion of the chip too, which is basically matrix multiplication cores in 16-bit precision, which improve a LOT calculation speed.
Everything on Mac will be recompiled for ARM. Parallels and VMWare will likely have to rebuilt their type 2 virtualization engine, which will for sure be streamlined, removed from all junk left over the years, and be more stable after a couple of releases. It will for sure need this to better exploit the A-chip architecture and available instruction sets. They will likely rebuild this using the Apple Hypervisor framework, the same as Docker is built on, and which likely be recompiled to ARM since it's an angular part of macOS.
Azrael ! Are we there yet ? LOLI think we may find (relative to the sun...) that the 'new' iMac 'IS' the iMac Pro. At least in terms of the 1st of 2nd tier iMac Pro.
ie. Apple will bring the 1st two tiers of iMac Pro to the masses. 'The rest of us.' And that's? A 'good thing.' TM.
Imagine a £5k iMac Pro at £1750-£3560 price range. So that's a £1500-3200 price cut. Each iMac model will put pressure on the 1st tier iMac Pro. Obviously the £1750 iMac isn't going to have 32 gigs of ram and a 1TB SSD. But the cpu and gpu with SSD as standard puts pressure on the iMac Pro's performance argument at £5k. And if we're lucky, Mike the Sound Guy gets some nice sound system with the new iMac and a lick of Space Grey as an option.
Of, course, that 'relative' performance argument changes again if Apple upgrade the iMac Pro to something looking like the XDR with 6k screen and Navi 2 parts... But that's looking like late 2020 and more likely...2021. (The one glimmer of hope is that the iMac Pro is 3 year's and counting. And that the iMac Pro will probably get a reboot within half a year of the big Navi launch. Just a gut feeling based upon how long it's been not updated, how Apple updates and the availability of the tech' and when it's likely to be shipping in volume.)
Any Navi 2 iMac Pro is going to bury the current iMac Pro for certain work.
Azrael.
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"New iMac incoming at WWDC. iPad Pro design language, with Pro Display like bezels. T2 chip, AMD Navi GPU, and no more fusion drive ."
Good catch, Franky!
Looks like Apple's design direction on the iPad Pro and Pro Display are coming to the new iMac after all.
Colour me unsurprised. Do you want the flagship desktop looking iStale or face front like a true believer reading to sell to the hoardes of Apple Store buyers that like sexy computer kit? All Apple's new design language is going in one direction. And it aint huuuuuge bezels.
I know what Steve Jobs would be pushing for. Visionary would all over echoing the iPad in the iMac.
Sexy new bezels. Navi gpu. iPad design language. (And the FUSION drive is DEAD! *uses his Tony Soprano voice.)
*gets wallet out.
Azrael.
Watch new stuff comes and I'll be too chicken to be the guinea pig for it . I guess I could slowly migrate while still on the old iMac to keep going . When I had older mac pro I used to just get a new hard drive and install new OS and have the usual 2 different drives etc until the new OS was fully up to speed . I didn't bother with the iMac I have now and kept taking the chances until I heard about the Catalina issues etc . So I'm STILL on Mojave ... Believe it or not I still use iTunes for my song list stuff as it still works great for my music organizing . But I know I will move off that . I am not big on streaming music as I rather have it on my hard drive for management purposes when learning songs on looping software I put the files into that program . We will see ! I then also LIKE sometime early adopting on tech stuff as long as it doesn't frustrate my productivity . BTW Azrael I like your info posts too .
YES YES YES! 32 inches all the way. Right with you there, Freida.
Apple have not announced anything regarding a potential migration to macOS ARM. It's just one of those rumors that keeps getting cross-referenced and re-repeated by the rumor mills that people have started treating it like it's a foregone conclusion.
Many people think they have it figured out, but nobody really knows. Apple sure haven't said a single thing about it, either on or off the record.
I meant they will announce at WWDC. The rumors of announcing the transition are just as solid/weak as the rumors of a new iMac coming.