Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Icaras]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270339867491184644

???

Just less than two weeks to go.

 

[fokmik]

All Apple's new design language is going in one direction

Agree 100% Since Mercedes bmw audi also applies the almost the same design language for all its cars...C class E class S class etc

 

[Azrael9]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270331388185554945

Apparentlly GPUs are coming as well?

"Inside Apple, tests of new Macs with the Arm-based chips have shown sizable improvements over Intel-powered versions, specifically in graphics performance and apps using ML. Apple also doing own GPUs and Neural Engines in addition to CPU."

THIS does *NOT* surprise me at all.

Apple will only do Mac ARM when it passes the 'Hydrogen' test.

Intel are currently a paper tiger waiting for the beat down. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple turn them over big time.

The iPad A12z is a two year old cpu/gpu that is an impressive (fanless) performer. It's remarkable.

Makes me wish I didn't have to buy this year.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

What is the iPad Pro Design Language?
Mirrored Apple instead of plastic?
Thicker edges?
Flatter in total?

 

[Dave245]

Is Sonnny Dickson a realilble source? I mean for the imac to have ipad pro deisgn language is bold move from apple in the last over 10 years

Yes, he's pretty reliable. He has sources inside Apple, that's how he was able to get the mock up of the iPad Pro and for it to be right.

 

[fokmik]

"Inside Apple, tests of new Macs with the Arm-based chips have shown sizable improvements over Intel-powered versions, specifically in graphics performance and apps using ML. Apple also doing own GPUs and Neural Engines in addition to CPU."

THIS does *NOT* surprise me at all.

Apple will only do Mac ARM when it passes the 'Hydrogen' test.

Intel are currently a paper tiger waiting for the beat down. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple turn them over big time.

The iPad A12z is a two year old cpu/gpu that is an impressive (fanless) performer. It's remarkable.

Makes me wish I didn't have to buy this year.

Azrael.

Yes, but expect in graphics performance just for the iGPu only...because i dont thing the ARM based igpu can match even an mid level navi gpu....but, all in all, for the upcoming 2021 Macbook air, 14" Macbook pro can be a big deal
Better gpu, less heat, better battery life just from this transition
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So what we know
WWDC"
- presentation for ios14, tvOS,watchOS,ipadOS and MacOS
-imac, macbook pro based on ARM, over the hear headphones and air tag

 

[askunk]

If they announce ARM coming to Macs beginning next year then doesn't that mean anyone in the market for a new Mac would wait rather than buy an Intel Mac that will be transitioned from soon?

I am not sure I would buy an ARM Mac as it comes out. Try to convince Autodesk to bring the full version of AutoCAD on ARM, when it took years to convince them to bring it to the Mac (and two failed attempts).
What about running Windoze? I need it for some other sw (e.g. Autodesk Revit) and to play some games. Apps will surely run faster and Apple will make it super fancy but unless there is only a very little loss in performace on legacy software, I would jealously keep an Intel Mac until the full transition is over.

What is the iPad Pro Design Language?

I guess it's rounded edges and metal frame with small, but visible bezels.

 

[Azrael9]

Is Sonnny Dickson a realilble source? I mean for the imac to have ipad pro deisgn language is bold move from apple in the last over 10 years

Seems legit. But, he's only stating the obvious in my mind.

The iMac has been on this 'iPod' on a stand design language for over a decade. In reality, the move to being a giant iPad is obvious. The Mac is going ARM. So it makes perfect sense for it to transmute to an iPad/iPhone design language (the XDR already hinted at this...'dramatic' new direction.) in preparation for it's move to Mac ARM cpus next year.

The iMac has rinsed every evolutionary update to the current chassis that it could before the internal thermals just couldn't cope any more. It's an old design. Any 'bold' move would seem dramatic. Partly because it's overdue and we're so used to the current 'iconic' design.

But if Apple want to survive they have to come up new 'Iconic' from time to time.

Azrael.
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Yes, but expect in graphics performance just for the iGPu only...because i dont thing the ARM based igpu can match even an mid level navi gpu....but, all in all, for the upcoming 2021 Macbook air, 14" Macbook pro can be a big deal
Better gpu, less heat, better battery life just from this transition
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So what we know
WWDC"
- presentation for ios14, tvOS,watchOS,ipadOS and MacOS
-imac, macbook pro based on ARM, over the hear headphones and air tag

You raise a good point there with gpu performance.

With the move to Mac ARM...will Apple even use Big Navi?

But I'd say this. If Apple are confident about eclipsing Intel.

I wouldn't bet against them taking on Radeon or Ampere. GPU performance has been the one thing about iPads and iPhones I've been really impressed with.

Can they do it with desktops?

Azrael.

 

[high heaven]

This is why the XDR monitor has the new cooling design. Surely this could be implemented in the new iMac. The massive cost of the XDR must be down to the development and tech inside it, not the holes. Yes it looks really cool, but they are just machined in. The aluminium iMac casing is machined anyway, so a few extra holes wouldn’t be too costly. Or shouldn’t be. I work in a machine shop and can’t see it adding more than a few minutes to the manufacturing time. This has got to be the cooling solution for the next Apple AIO.

Dude, XDR is not a computer. Desktop CPU and GPU requires a totally different cooling system. Do you even know its TDP for CPU and GPU? What does it even have to do with AIO desktop?

 

[Azrael9]

Seems legit. But, he's only stating the obvious in my mind.

The iMac has been on this 'iPod' on a stand design language for over a decade. In reality, the move to being a giant iPad is obvious. The Mac is going ARM. So it makes perfect sense for it to transmute to an iPad/iPhone design language (the XDR already hinted at this...'dramatic' new direction.) in preparation for it's move to Mac ARM cpus next year.

The iMac has rinsed every evolutionary update to the current chassis that it could before the internal thermals just couldn't cope any more. It's an old design. Any 'bold' move would seem dramatic. Partly because it's overdue and we're so used to the current 'iconic' design.

But if Apple want to survive they have to come up new 'Iconic' from time to time.

Azrael.
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You raise a good point there with gpu performance.

With the move to Mac ARM...will Apple even use Big Navi?

But I'd say this. If Apple are confident about eclipsing Intel.

I wouldn't bet against them taking on Radeon or Ampere. GPU performance has been the one thing about iPads and iPhones I've been really impressed with.

Can they do it with desktops?

I'd tie in your comment about the laptops. I don't think the gpu performance in Macbooks is all that good at all. (Weren't there benches with the iPad Pro not being that far off?) I think that's probably the 1st area Apple can catch Radeon graphics. In a laptop.)

Azrael.

 

[Dave245]

It looks like WWDC is going to be a busy one:

Airtags
AirPods Studio over ear headphones
new iMac (Sonny Dickson just confirmed this on Twitter)
MacBook Pro (Jon Prosser mentioned this one)
ARM announcement

Then there's all the software side of things. I think this WWDC will be a big one!

 

[fokmik]

Seems legit. But, he's only stating the obvious in my mind.

The iMac has been on this 'iPod' on a stand design language for over a decade. In reality, the move to being a giant iPad is obvious. The Mac is going ARM. So it makes perfect sense for it to transmute to an iPad/iPhone design language (the XDR already hinted at this...'dramatic' new direction.) in preparation for it's move to Mac ARM cpus next year.

The iMac has rinsed every evolutionary update to the current chassis that it could before the internal thermals just couldn't cope any more. It's an old design. Any 'bold' move would seem dramatic. Partly because it's overdue and we're so used to the current 'iconic' design.

But if Apple want to survive they have to come up new 'Iconic' from time to time.

Azrael.
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You raise a good point there with gpu performance.

With the move to Mac ARM...will Apple even use Big Navi?

But I'd say this. If Apple are confident about eclipsing Intel.

I wouldn't bet against them taking on Radeon or Ampere. GPU performance has been the one thing about iPads and iPhones I've been really impressed with.

Can they do it with desktops?

Azrael.

Its very hard to compete with ARM based igpu with dGPU or desktop Gpu, the TDP are too high up...so i guess for 16" Macbook pros, and the imacs(even if the imacs will go only ARM next year, they will still use amd gpu, remember they have issues with intel not with amd...amd are offering to apple the full package and full access to their silicone)

 

[Azrael9]

Yes, he's pretty reliable. He has sources inside Apple, that's how he was able to get the mock up of the iPad Pro and for it to be right.

Game on, then?

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

Neither do I...as a rule...

But upon occasion...and with 'good company'...

Azrael.

Big question for you. Do we count as good company? Especially those of us who are in the 32 incher gang?

 

[high heaven]

This is called sidestepping my arguments about desktops.

Firstly, laptops are used for work at a table most of the time, often using a dock solution (standard issue) where I work. So it is a desktop replacement and thus part of the equation. Second, you did not comment on the different form factors of desktops, thirdly you move the performance from AIO format (PSU and cooling) to Intels inaptitude.

When my car break, I need to take the car to the garage. When my washing machine dies, I buy a new one if it cannot be repaired by a specialist. Mostly, also companies treat computers in the same way and after three years, they just buy a new one because its value is 0.

Upgrading RAM, SSD post purchase is not needed as you can configure when you buy it. IfApple prices hurts, there are other computer vendors.

So what market are you talking about? Enthusiasts? Gaming? If I were any of these I would go PC every single time because the Mac cannot compete and never has been able to. So what?

That does not replace a desktop completely. Upgrading RAM, SSD post purchase is not needed as you can configure when you buy it? Seriously? Gosh...

 

[fokmik]

It looks like WWDC is going to be a busy one:

Airtags
AirPods Studio over ear headphones
new iMac (Sonny Dickson just confirmed this on Twitter)
MacBook Pro (Jon Prosser mentioned this one)
ARM announcement

Then there's all the software side of things. I think this WWDC will be a big one!

So, no airpower...probably they leave them, if they exists, for the iphone event

 

[ssong]

Last time when they had the dev transition kit

Apple to Use Intel Microprocessors Beginning in 2006

www.apple.com

 

[gusping]

Game on, then?

Azrael.

I went from being all gung ho about a new iMac, to not planning on buying it unless the updated version is 32in.

Will pray over the next 2 weeks for it to be HUGEEEE! please please please. £3k ready to drop. Go on Apple.

 

[jinnyman]

Please a final design change of iMac like Mac Pro 7,1 before the transition to ARM.
It will be my final desktop.
i'm not even wishing for a Mac mini pro or any of those daydreaming stuff.

 

[Dave245]

Game on, then?

Azrael.

If he is indeed correct and Apple announce the iMac with everything he has said, I will buy one as soon as they are available! he has me at Pro display like bezels (a lot thinner if he means the Pro XDR display bezels).

The only thing I'm not sure about is what he means by "iPad Pro design language" does he mean in terms of colour? bezels? screen (maybe 120hz?).

 

[Azrael9]

It looks like WWDC is going to be a busy one:

Airtags
AirPods Studio over ear headphones
new iMac (Sonny Dickson just confirmed this on Twitter)
MacBook Pro (Jon Prosser mentioned this one)
ARM announcement

Then there's all the software side of things. I think this WWDC will be a big one!

That's going to be one helluva WWDC. With all eyes on Apple. We've been bracing for a Mac ARM announcement...but I still think it will hit like a shockwave when we actually hear and see it. It will be hugely significant for the future of the Mac platform. (A Macbook Pro with Mac ARM? A Mac ARM 'dev' machine? Or just an INtel cpu bump...)

For me, personally, I want and need a new iMac. So that will be great, great news. (I've been very patient. Computer less for 4 months up to the time of announcement...)

Azrael.
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If he is indeed correct and Apple announce the iMac with everything he has said, I will buy one as soon as they are available! he has me at Pro display like bezels (a lot thinner if he means the Pro XDR display bezels).

The only thing I'm not sure about is what he means by "iPad Pro design language" does he mean in terms of colour? bezels? screen (maybe 120hz?).

Yeah, the Pro Display bezels has me at 'Hello.'

I'm sure colour, bezels will be improved. Fidelity of screen is an Apple 'thing.' So I'd say these two are a lock...

Less sure of...

... that screen to be 32 inches and 6k. (I'd like to see gusp' and me on the 32 inch' iMac Bro' bus.) But I may be pushing my luck wanting the boost in 27 inch screen footprint and resolution (still hoping, though)...

As for 'Promotion?' I'm seriously impressed with that on the iPad. Truly next gen' display tech'. Be thrilled with that on any iMac. Smooth as butter.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

How is WWDC going to play out then?

"Here is our future, ARM Macs. They are sooooo powerful. Developers can purchase the new iBook as a testing platform".

"The latest iMac is here, and we think you're going to love it. Beautiful design with powerful components...'
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Less sure of...

... that screen to be 32 inches and 6k. (I'd like to see gusp' and me on the 32 inch' iMac Bro' bus.) But I may be pushing my luck wanting the boost in 27 inch screen footprint and resolution (still hoping, though)...

As for 'Promotion?' I'm seriously impressed with that on the iPad. Truly next gen' display tech'. Be thrilled with that on any iMac. Smooth as butter.

Azrael.

It definitely won't happen, but we can dream, right? I just need it so I don't have a larger secondary monitor against a 27in iMac. That is a no go...

 

[askunk]

I must get ready psychologically for this transition... it's my third one: Motorola -> IBM -> Intel -> Apple

I started on a Mac with an 8MHz 68000 of a Mac Plus, cleaning almost weekly the rubber ball of the mouse but enjoying so much the tzzz tzzz tzzzzzzz of the FD drive when a 3.5" was inserted.

 

[Azrael9]

I went from being all gung ho about a new iMac, to not planning on buying it unless the updated version is 32in.

Will pray over the next 2 weeks for it to be HUGEEEE! please please please. £3k ready to drop. Go on Apple.

Hello gusping,

Super seriously hoping we get the 32 inch iMac to knock it out the park. If they only made around 30 in the same footprint. I'd take it. It's been a long whilst since Apple did the 'size' for the masses Apple Displays under the G5 reveal. We're about due to push on in screen size and the XDR hints at that. Problem is...that comes at £6k. The best way to democratise that is to put it on iMac with less of the fancy stuff in it. I have no problem dropping £3k on a 32 inch iMac with iPad design cues.

The count down is on. I guessed their would be more leaks. And hey, they dropped moments ago.

Cash is good to go. Wallet burning.

Azrael.
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Dude, XDR is not a computer. Desktop CPU and GPU requires a totally different cooling system. Do you even know its TDP for CPU and GPU? What does it even have to do with AIO desktop?

True.

However, neither was the Dell 5k. And Apple turned it into an iMac far cheaper and with computer included...'back in the day.'

Sure, I wish it was a £2k Mac Pro tower with a cheaper XDR style monitor with it...but that mainstream tower route...it doesn't seem like it's coming back.

I wish it weren't so.

But I'll take a juiced up and iPad sexy iMac in the meantime. The bezel shrinking has been a long time a coming.

'It's time.'

Azrael.

 

[askunk]

BTW, the next iMac will be model 20,1. A redesign is due if not at least to celebrate the round figure.