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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%

  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%

  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%

  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%

  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%

  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%
  • Total voters
    822
  • Poll closed .
filmak said:
Perhaps Paralels could bundle Win 10 for ARM, any chance they culd make a deal?
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Considering Microsoft does not license Windows on ARM to non-PC hardware OEMs, I would say the chances are unlikely. :)

Also, Parallels and VMWare would need to completely re-write their applications to support Windows on ARM and the market might not be large enough for it.

Personally, I would not be surprised if major users of x86 Windows virtualization (so Enterprise-level users) on Macs just RDP to Intel servers running Windows VMs. All the hard work is done on the VM, not the local host, and networking is fast enough. It's how I do my "heavy lifting" Windows work that is more than my iMac's Windows VM can comfortably handle.
 
CWallace said:
Personally, I would not be surprised if major users of x86 Windows virtualization (so Enterprise-level users) on Macs just RDP to Intel servers running Windows VMs. All the hard work is done on the VM, not the local host, and networking is fast enough. It's how I do my "heavy lifting" Windows work that is more than my iMac's Windows VM can comfortably handle.
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This is currently my migration plan for ARM iMacs. Will move to Windows VMs on the cloud.
 
I agree with everything you said except this one. First AS is not going to be on A12 or even A13. Its going to be on A14 for sure. The reason why they showed us A12Z is because they want to make a splash when the A14 chip is showed. Also, the demo was for one purpose (as Craig said himself too) - to show the power of the chip without even trying anything new. So the A14 later this year will be huge jump and Intel will be embarrassed by it.
A15 is probably when I expect Mac Pro to make the jump also.

So, this fall will be interesting. :)


CWallace said:
So the "A13" in the iPhone 12 family should give us an idea of what to expect in both the A13X for the iPad and "A13M" (or whatever it is called) for the Mac. That being said, I would not at all be surprised if the first consumer Apple Silicon SoC will be based on the A12 because that is likely what Apple has been using for their test machines. So we might see a mid-2021 refresh of the first "A12M" models with "A13M" in 2021 along with new models launching with "A13M" as the default.
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_Skyfire_ said:
It's pretty hilarious and maddening at the same time how late Apple are with the GPUs
Last year a few months before RDNA came out, they released iMacs with 2 year old graphics inside.
And now according to the leaks, history will repeat itself...and we get 1-year old RDNA GPUs just a bit before RDNA 2 would be available :confused:
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It is cheaper for them this way.
 
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filmak said:
Perhaps Paralels could bundle Win 10 for ARM, any chance they culd make a deal?
Anyway, if it is not the x86-64 win 10 what is the point, not too much useful software exists...
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Maybe, but you still must have a license from Microsoft. Parallels already "packages" Windows 10 within its software, but you still have to fill the Windows license agreement and enter the S/N. But it seems you cannot actually do this with Windows ARM.
 
CWallace said:
Considering Microsoft does not license Windows on ARM to non-PC hardware OEMs, I would say the chances are unlikely. :)

Also, Parallels and VMWare would need to completely re-write their applications to support Windows on ARM and the market might not be large enough for it.

Personally, I would not be surprised if major users of x86 Windows virtualization (so Enterprise-level users) on Macs just RDP to Intel servers running Windows VMs. All the hard work is done on the VM, not the local host, and networking is fast enough. It's how I do my "heavy lifting" Windows work that is more than my iMac's Windows VM can comfortably handle.
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Yes, but what about your personal or confidential data and files?
 
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satchmo said:
And I noted, the preferred option is to wait.
The Mac mini option is if you need something to get a project out the door.

Certainly if your project requires more, get something better. But you just want to factor what you’re bringing in revenue to justify the cost of an expensive iMac which you know you’ll be kicking yourself once the Apple Silicon iMac arrives. :)
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Haha... I see what you are trying here! But no. I don't get hyped about Apple Silicon in a desktop computer where you don't have the immediate advantage of longer battery live but actually just want the best performance possible. Also, first they need to release the hardware. Then all my software needs to run on it. Then they need to get rid of all the bugs so you can actually work with it. And by that time, maybe in three years, I'm ready to upgrade again anyway. I'm quite a demanding user so I don't keep my computer for too long.

Regarding the Mac Mini: Still don‘t think it's a good deal. I would rather buy an used iMac / iMac Pro as they offer better performance for the money. But maybe I need to rethink my strategy. Last time I wanted to buy an iMac in 2013ish I ended up with a used Mac Pro and did never regret it for a second. But also back then the price step between a Mac Mini / iMac and a Mac Pro wasn't that crazy.
 
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I'm starting to think they may now have in mind to release the imac 2x, 27 and imac pro together in the fall.
 
Freida said:
I agree with everything you said except this one. First AS is not going to be on A12 or even A13. Its going to be on A14 for sure. The reason why they showed us A12Z is because they want to make a splash when the A14 chip is showed. Also, the demo was for one purpose (as Craig said himself too) - to show the power of the chip without even trying anything new. So the A14 later this year will be huge jump and Intel will be embarrassed by it. A15 is probably when I expect Mac Pro to make the jump also.
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I forgot that the A13 is already out in my iPhone 11, so yes, the AS Mac would likely use a high-core version of the iPhone 12's A14 as rumored.


filmak said:
Yes, but what about your personal or confidential data and files?
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SSL and VPNs would protect the data going to and from the cloud and you can Bitlocker a Windows VM to protect the data stored therein.
 
I see on Twitter more and more Nostradamuses becoming. At least one leaker in the last six months gave exact leaks? I’m not talking about leaks on the eve of the events when it turned out that there would be no hardware at WWDC.
 
Wow, this thread is over a year old now. I'm glad I ended up buying a 2019 with i9 9900K and Vega 48 instead of holding out for this long rumored redesign. Been enjoying it for almost a year now, and I absolutely don't care about bezels on a desktop computer, which seems to be the main complaint of the current model. On a phone or laptop, large bezels can be annoying because you want the device to have the largest screen possible while taking up the least amount of room in your pocket or bag, but large bezels on a desktop screen only make a functional difference if you're running multiple monitors, and I'm not. The only things I wish were better about the 2019 are the webcam and possibly the GPU. The Vega 48 has been great for the games I've played so far, but it's not very future proof, and more GPU power is always welcome.
 
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jetjaguar said:
A lot of refurbs currently but they are going fast
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In Germany there is one iMacPro. Thats it, zero other iMacs.
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Voyageur said:
I see on Twitter more and more Nostradamuses becoming. At least one leaker in the last six months gave exact leaks? I’m not talking about leaks on the eve of the events when it turned out that there would be no hardware at WWDC.
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Well Prosser called the last MacBook 13 inch release exactly to the minute. But he had little info about the iMac beyond "apples timeline got messed up due to covid, the iMac was supposed to be out in March and is ready to ship".
 
DrRadon said:
Well Prosser called the last MacBook 13 inch release exactly to the minute. But he had little info about the iMac beyond "apples timeline got messed up due to covid, the iMac was supposed to be out in March and is ready to ship".
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Prosser also predicted the iPhone SE release date in April as well as the price weeks ahead. So he does have successes, although some failures.
 
Hahaha the charging mat was fake? I didn’t know that. Did one of his leakers get caught actually get caught?
 
In regards to "Prosser's iMac", since the Comet Lake-S desktop ships were not announced by Intel until 30 April, if they had shipped a new 2020 iMac in March they would have had the same 9th Generation CPUs as the 2019 BTO models did and there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth. And those who bought the 2020 iMac 5K in March with the 8-core i9-10900K would have rioted if Apple subsequently released the 10-core i9-10910 as a BTO option later in the year.

As such, I am inclined to believe that "ready to ship" meant that Apple had finalized the design and were ready to go into production by March (with 10th Generation Intel CPUs) for a WWDC announcement that was then delayed due to COVID messing up the production chain.
 
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