Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

@Azrael9 Hello, do you mind directing me or sharing where I could find more info about the RDNA1+?

I understood that its basically old cards that will be done on the new nanometer tech so the chip die will be smaller and that will help with thermals. Do you know about good write up about other benefits etc.

Also, is the assumption that we get only RDNA1+ in the refreshed iMac + possibility for RDNA2 as BTO? I assume that RDNA2 are calle 6x00 series whilst RDNA1 is 5x00. Will the RDNA1+ have another number?

5700XT looks like a beast card for Mac users but it still doesn't go super high as that is dominated by Nvidia. Is there AMD somewhere?

 

[DrRadon]

well, sending an e-Mail is not cutting one half of your xxx€ cpu.
its amazing how the guy talks about how he chose the smaller Vega for his iMac Pro hackintosh and said due to better cooling it outperforms the benchmarks in the iMac with up sell card.

 

[Azrael9]

That is very interesting observation. And to be honest, the recent bump in delay is crazy. *(Azrael insert: It can't be just a 'bump' now, we hope (*looks at the iPad z and the mini Mac Mini update...). Perhaps plans have changed considering circumstances or maybe between the late shipping of the Intel cpu and the power revision to the RDNA1+ forced Apple's hands and maybe it was always September.) We are now in mid September for 27" delivery. Thats crazy talk - (Azrael insert: Very Apple though. Apple are known for updates that yawn over a year...year and a half...4 years....6 years...but the iMac update is desperately needed. It's the only one that isn't. Updated. The longer the wait the greater the hope that the udpate will be significant and substantial in spec and design.) also, those that said that they are fed up with waiting (Azrael insert: I know I am. But it's become a pitched battle. Wallet closed for current out of date iMac mediocrity.) and will order the current gen are kinda stuck anyway and have to wait so they might as well wait for the refresh.
This is going to be one long summer wait (Azrael insert: We've waited thus far. I'm very patient. I'd like to see the new iMac's value relative to the RDNA2 announcement. It's getting so close now...that a BTO custom RDNA2 can't be ruled out?)
I don't know about others but I would love to see the new AS in action and out already. Part of me kinda hopes that we get 32" iMac with AS (Azrael insert: the Holy Grail? 32 inches. Of iMac, Freida! And yes. With an AS15 cpu/gpu.)
Wouldn't that be something (Azrael insert: The ability to run millions of iphone and 1 million iPad apps? It should not be underestimated. The Mac is going to be transformed. Not just in hardware...but in software transcendence. It makes the forthcoming AS Macs very exciting. Along with their user experience efficiency which will be transformative for certain workloads and user experience.)
if Apple doesn't redesign the 27" and will do spec bump (even if good one) then I might just wait and get the redesigned 24" AS one. (Azrael insert. If it's the current design with poor cooling, I might be force to build that Hackintosh. I'd get the same machine for half the price. Especially when the old design plus the intel obsoletance will aggravate resell 2nd hand values...for resell.) Keep it for a year and then sell it and get the bigger version when its out. (Azrael insert: I think there is a good chance we'll see a 32 inch iMac at some point. Why I do think that? Did anyone notice that the A12z was driving an XDR 32 incher? :O Surely a more accessible 32 inch model at some point. For Macbook/Mini owners and iMac consumers/prosumers? With exotic parts stripped out? And increased chain supply production...cheaper price?)
I somehow feel that the current design just won't do anymore. (Azrael insert: And feelings are important. Apple's marketing plays up the 'feelings' of iPhone/Mac design. So they live by the sword of the pioneering design flagship of the iMac and other such devices. They're the ones pushing us to 'feel' as did Steve Jobs who was the Master of the Distortion Field. And he was right. Design matters. Giving the customer a good deal matters.) The bezels are just too huge (Azrael Insert: You could sink an oil tanker in those bezels...for Fusion Sakes, Apple...)

The wait continues. But I've a feeling it's imminent for July.

If not. Has to be Sept'. And then, ironically, you're right on the heels of the iMac (presumably) 24 inch AS announcement which has to hit Oct/Nov/Dec (fall being teh 'end' of the year...)

Azrael.

 

[NewUsername]

I thought a refresh wouldn't happen before September because the Back to School promotion already started. Remember last year, Apple updated the MacBooks the moment Back to School was launched. I can't remember Macs being updated during the promotion itself.

However, now I realize Back to School only started in the US and in Canada. It is still to launch in Europe and the rest of the world. Last year, it started everywhere on Tuesday 9 July. So perhaps it could start in Europe next Tuesday 7 or 14 July, and the iMac could be launched at the same moment.

Given the shipping estimates of 8-9 weeks for the stock configurations, all hope is not lost yet for a July refresh, at least for the 27" model. Though they might of course just launch the promotion anyway without updating the iMacs at all.

On the other hand, with ARM around the corner I probably won't be buying one.

 

[Azrael9]

It's worth noting here. That for £300-£500...it depends on your expectations.

For an iMac? Relative to the sun? A 5700 XT is most impressive. Or would have been. A year ago.

You see in the link that these 'inflated' priced gpu cards in the last year or so...have upped the prices and still(!), STILL can't really handle 4k. With the marketing joke of the 2080Ti being the only only one that can?

Caveat. Depends on game. Depends on setting. Maybe you 'can' with older games on 4k.

But across the board on all settings? That's what RDNA2 and Ampere are for. After what seems years of 4k promise...we finally get 4k. Playable. And it's not just games, is it? It's for 3d modelling previews....3d gpu rendering...etc.

The 5700XT isn't the progress that some might have hoped for over the Vega 64/56. It's a mid-range card. Lower to mid. AMD rose it's prices for this 'entry' level series of gpu. Largely due to the fact they had no high end to low end stack for this series. RNDA2 should course correct the stack....but higher AMD prices, probably here to stay. Though a respun RDNA1+ will probably price a bit lower. It's old.

Yes. If you're talking 580. Then the 5700XT is progress. In an iMac. It's very nearly, finally bringing gpu performance worthy of the name to the iMac.

But it's on teh cusp of RNDA2. eRGO.

wHICH way...is Apple going to go? Will they offer a custome RDNA2 if this drags onto Sep'? In that context, a RDNA1+ will be 'meh.' ie. iMac owners who pay £2k have to wait on to some indiscernable p0oint in the future for ray tracing?

That would be a slap in the face.

Azrael.
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well, sending an e-Mail is not cutting one half of your xxx€ cpu.
its amazing how the guy talks about how he chose the smaller Vega for his iMac Pro hackintosh and said due to better cooling it outperforms the benchmarks in the iMac with up sell card.

Snazzy Labs? Yes.

He does some great Apple vids.

And he's, 9/10, on the money re: Apple. He certainly can read the runes of their marketing speak. What they say and what they actually do.

He pointed out that 'unconstrained' the tower case can unleash extra performance due to superior cooling...whereas the 'same' card or a slightly ore inferior one running at higher performance can out do the iMac card due to enclosure and cooling constraints.

Some may find that hard to believe. But Snazzy Labs is a Mac guy and he's telling us how it is minus Apple's marketing.

In short, if Apple's Intel iMac is on the heels of the AS iMac...with so-so spec, high price...I may just go the Hack route and buy the AS iMac when it ships in addition.

I'm going dual workstation. It's just a matter of seeing the clouds dissipate so I can make a clear 'moment in time' decision.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

@Azrael9 Hello, do you mind directing me or sharing where I could find more info about the RDNA1+?

I understood that its basically old cards that will be done on the new nanometer tech so the chip die will be smaller and that will help with thermals. Do you know about good write up about other benefits etc.

Also, is the assumption that we get only RDNA1+ in the refreshed iMac + possibility for RDNA2 as BTO? I assume that RDNA2 are calle 6x00 series whilst RDNA1 is 5x00. Will the RDNA1+ have another number?

5700XT looks like a beast card for Mac users but it still doesn't go super high as that is dominated by Nvidia. Is there AMD somewhere?

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Hello Freida,

There will be a full RDNA2 stack in time. The RDNA1+ is, therefore part of this stack launch in September.

It means higher clocks.

He's quite positive re: the 5700XT. It's a card that hangs with the previous gen 1080Ti!!!!! If it had launched a year ago on iMac? I'd have bought that model. No question.

With RDNA1+, it could eclipse the 1080ti, potentially. ( I think the 5700xt is around90-95% of a 1080ti.)

But the problem is. It's a year late on a Mac. And the only place to get it? Is a Mac Pro at £6000 plus the 5700XT as a BTO option which further increases the madness of accessing this card as a Mac desktop customer. Outrageous.

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Here is the 5700XT1+ as part of the stack. 'Decoded.' It will be a little bit faster than the current RDNA1 5700XT. The longer this goes on, Apple will likely use this as BTO in the iMac. And marketing dicatates we won't get the RDNA2. They may reserve that for the iMac Pro. But with AS silicon muddying the waters....we can't be certain that this is the case.

ie. If they give the 5600M to the Macbook. We may get a custome 6700'M' (RDNA2) for the iMac.

It depends on what Apple offers. Last year's gpu tech' customised.

or. RDNA2 Progressive Raytracing tech' for the future. Cusomised.

What made sense in March or WWDC. Doesn't make the same sense in September. it's relative to what else the market is doing, the PC, teh PS5.

Apple charging 5 times the price of a PS5 for old gpu tech' vs a £499 RDNA2 based console. Sure. It's different markets. But we're on the cusp of new tech'. Across the board. AS14s...in iMacs. With cpu single and multicore that will turn imac 21 inchers and the mac minis into very 'old' looking tech' indeed. Throwing £2k at an iMac that has year old gpu tech' when the PS5 with RDNA2 is imminent is jarring.

And whilst some will throw themselves on Apple's altar claiming macbook keyboards didn't suck or that ipads don't bend or that iMac fusion drives are still relevant...I won't be one of them. I will say the RDNA1 is going to be sound news for the iMac. However, caveat. It's late. Apple will likely charge you £450 for it. More than the PC counter part...and I'll be impressed if it performs better in an iMac enclosure than a PC tower. And that £450 might be better going to a eGPU enclosure and RDNA2 in addition to the internal gpu. Especially if you do stuff like Maya. GPU rendering or 3d window stuff.

The least Apple can do this close to RDNA2 is offer a custome 5600 style 'M' for the iMac.

I'm a mac head. But I call out Apple when they say premium and don't do premium.

As for exact information on the RDNA1+ clocks. Probably 10% higher than the current RDNA1 is my guess. But it will be buried in Ray Tracing and efficiency and performance by RDNA2.

And that's the dilemma for iMac buyers. For Mac desktop buyers.

That's why I wanted my iMac to hold out until 'fall' this year. Because you could see that GPus, PCs, PS consoles etc plus the spectre of AS iMacs was going to form a cloud over any buying decision.

Hard to see, the future is...

Azrael.
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He makes a great point here...which I feel is at the heart of the Intel legacy vs the Mac ARM debate.

'People confuse fast with smooth.'

And that's where the AS is going to give the Intel a sound thrashing. The beating of a life time.

ie. 3 4k streams. 10 million polygon shaded Maya scene....1080 Tomb Raider... 'Smoothly.' It's not always about raw monolithic speed.

See GPU future with chiplet future? And the SoC is where that kind of thinking is going.

It's about the experience. And Apple have chops in that regard. I have to give them that. That's why I 'do' Mac OS.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Funny I just talked to that leaker yesterday pointing out how „all the stuff at once at the September event“ dos not make any sense and 24 hours later he heard it was only iMac At that event. 🤣😂

 

[Azrael9]

I thought a refresh wouldn't happen before September because the Back to School promotion already started. Remember last year, Apple updated the MacBooks the moment Back to School was launched. I can't remember Macs being updated during the promotion itself.

However, now I realize Back to School only started in the US and in Canada. It is still to launch in Europe and the rest of the world. Last year, it started everywhere on Tuesday 9 July. So perhaps it could start in Europe next Tuesday 7 or 14 July, and the iMac could be launched at the same moment.

Given the shipping estimates of 8-9 weeks for the stock configurations, all hope is not lost yet for a July refresh, at least for the 27" model. Though they might of course just launch the promotion anyway without updating the iMacs at all.

On the other hand, with ARM around the corner I probably won't be buying one.

It's starting to seem (perceptionally) from the outside that the last Intel iMac is going to be on the heels of the AS iMac 24 incher.

And there's only one winner in that fight for me.

I'd buy the 24 incher. (Millions of iOS apps available on the platform? No contest. It's transformative. Esp' if you're a fan of procreate which I am.)

And buy a separate PC Tower.

Azrael.
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Funny I just talked to that leaker yesterday pointing out how „all the stuff at once at the September event“ dos not make any sense and 24 hours later he heard it was only iMac At that event. 🤣😂

Deary me. Did Apple take all the pre-WWDC leakers behind the cow shed and shoot them?

Capiche.

Azrael.
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Funny I just talked to that leaker yesterday pointing out how „all the stuff at once at the September event“ dos not make any sense and 24 hours later he heard it was only iMac At that event. 🤣😂

When did the iMac last have an event?

*Scratches head.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

@Azrael9 Hello, do you mind directing me or sharing where I could find more info about the RDNA1+? (Azrael insert: see my Videocardz links for it's place in the stack...)

I understood that its basically old cards that will be done on the new nanometer tech so the chip die will be smaller and that will help with thermals. Do you know about good write up about other benefits etc. (Azrael insert: Due to previous AMD spins, I'd hazard a 10% uplift in performance and greater thermal efficiency to run at a greater % of it's potential in an iMac enclosure. No hard links on that yet. AMD playing cards close to its chest. As well that it might with Ampere breathing down it's neck. Benefits. Faster. Not by a greater amount. But 10% is ten per cent. And yes, run cooler. But RNDA2 is superior in that regard. 50% more efficient.)

Also, is the assumption that we get only RDNA1+ in the refreshed iMac + possibility for RDNA2 as BTO? I assume that RDNA2 are calle 6x00 series whilst RDNA1 is 5x00. Will the RDNA1+ have another number? (Azrael insert: It's marketing what Apple allows in the iMac vs iMac Pro. £££. The assumption is based upon Apple's past track record under Tim Cook. You pay more for less. A lot more. Even taking into account the crepe £, prices in the UK are outrageous. It's £££ margins. The 5600M is impressive. But it's £££ ridiculous. That's half an iMac 27 incher. So, extrapolating...we may get a 5700'm' with a shocking price BTO....but...a 6700'M' RNDA2 variant can't be ruled out this close to RDNA2 which, strangely links to the iMac timing of September. But an outrageous priced 5700'm' GPU bto during the same month the RDNA2 is launched will be unforgivable. For £800, may as well go eGPU route...and add RDNA2 standard pc card in a eGPU enclosure and add it to the stock gpu iMac tier you buy.)

5700XT looks like a beast card for Mac users but it still doesn't go super high as that is dominated by Nvidia. Is there AMD somewhere? (Azrael insert: Yes. The 5700 is a 'beast' of a card...from last year. It's about 50% of the 2080Ti performance for? 1/3rd of the price. It's not that far off in standard gaming minus ray tracing. In that light, the 5700XT is sound value for money. Or it 'was' when RDNA2 launches... In iMac terms. The 5700 is twice the 580, give or take. ON the pc side? YOu'll pay £300-400 vs the 580 for £150-200. So twice the performance for 'twice' teh price. So if Apple dares charge £800 for a mid range 5700XT they want taking behind the cow shed... The 'beastly' 5700xt (and it is relative to the sun 580 or my 680MX...((which is currently, 'Dead, Jim...')) is a mid-range card from last year. And it's facing the 'new kid' in town. The good news, a die spin running cooler and cheaper is fine for those on a budget. But I'm not paying Apple £800 for a mid-range last year's card when RDNA2 offers far more perf' for probably the 'same' price as the 5700XT currently is. (I'd expect the bottom end RDNA2 stack to come in around £450 and the higher end one at £900-ish.) Budget comes into play. eGPU comes into play. Relative value on PCs, PS5 and what the marketing is doing...comes into play.

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I hope that helps.

Azrael.
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Funny I just talked to that leaker yesterday pointing out how „all the stuff at once at the September event“ dos not make any sense and 24 hours later he heard it was only iMac At that event. 🤣😂

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I swapped out the 2060 for a 5700XT.

£1300 inc VAT.

500 SSD. 12 core. 5700XT.

That's about my budget for the 'PC' tower when I get one.

But the shake out from Ryzen 4 and RDNA2 will clobber prices.

Ergo: my hesitancy to rush out and Hack' this.

We're in between pegs...on Mac...and ironically on PC.

Azrael.

 

[Freida]

Thank you Az!

 

[DrRadon]

Not a big fan of all that LED blinking and alike.

What would be the most important to me would be that everything works reliably. Adobe and Updates, Final Cut and Updates... no funny business. The machine is meant to be for professional work, can't risk some hickup disturbing my workflow for a day or more.

 

[Freida]

This PC building reminds my old days when I used to do the same.

Unfortunately I can't bring myself back to the windows madness where you spend most of your time maintaining the computer for it just to work. And with AS now, there will not be anything else worth it as Apple will trash every competitor. No one will have the same power, features etc. as no one will be able to compete on the overall package.
The game is pretty much over and unless Apple doesn't misstep somewhere they have just created a monopoly right here right now.
I think Intel is done and I would dare to say that x86 might be done also. Of course time will tell but at this point, Apple created a history and we will all look back to this event and point to it as where things went right (and wrong for Intel).

NOONE!!!! Will be able to match what Apple is about to build. No one has the budget and talent. Just look at MS - they had tons of money and still weren't able to match Apple in pretty much anything. Sure, the studio looks good but MS doesn't get what the game is all about. Their phone failed, their tablet is a fail and their computers are almost none. Every hardware product MS put out there was a fail. And MS was probably the only competitor with the budget that could compete.

So now, Apple put an end to this and from this point we will probably all be Apple eventually. Its exciting but also super dangerous. We shall see how Apple handles it but AS is the biggest thing and I think we have no idea how amazing the ride will be. I'm excited more than a kid at xmas - its just that huge of a deal. This is history everyone!

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Hello Freida,

There will be a full RDNA2 stack in time. The RDNA1+ is, therefore part of this stack launch in September.

It means higher clocks.

He's quite positive re: the 5700XT. It's a card that hangs with the previous gen 1080Ti!!!!! If it had launched a year ago on iMac? I'd have bought that model. No question.

With RDNA1+, it could eclipse the 1080ti, potentially. ( I think the 5700xt is around90-95% of a 1080ti.)

But the problem is. It's a year late on a Mac. And the only place to get it? Is a Mac Pro at £6000 plus the 5700XT as a BTO option which further increases the madness of accessing this card as a Mac desktop customer. Outrageous.

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Here is the 5700XT1+ as part of the stack. 'Decoded.' It will be a little bit faster than the current RDNA1 5700XT. The longer this goes on, Apple will likely use this as BTO in the iMac. And marketing dicatates we won't get the RDNA2. They may reserve that for the iMac Pro. But with AS silicon muddying the waters....we can't be certain that this is the case.

ie. If they give the 5600M to the Macbook. We may get a custome 6700'M' (RDNA2) for the iMac.

It depends on what Apple offers. Last year's gpu tech' customised.

or. RDNA2 Progressive Raytracing tech' for the future. Cusomised.

What made sense in March or WWDC. Doesn't make the same sense in September. it's relative to what else the market is doing, the PC, teh PS5.

Apple charging 5 times the price of a PS5 for old gpu tech' vs a £499 RDNA2 based console. Sure. It's different markets. But we're on the cusp of new tech'. Across the board. AS14s...in iMacs. With cpu single and multicore that will turn imac 21 inchers and the mac minis into very 'old' looking tech' indeed. Throwing £2k at an iMac that has year old gpu tech' when the PS5 with RDNA2 is imminent is jarring.

And whilst some will throw themselves on Apple's altar claiming macbook keyboards didn't suck or that ipads don't bend or that iMac fusion drives are still relevant...I won't be one of them. I will say the RDNA1 is going to be sound news for the iMac. However, caveat. It's late. Apple will likely charge you £450 for it. More than the PC counter part...and I'll be impressed if it performs better in an iMac enclosure than a PC tower. And that £450 might be better going to a eGPU enclosure and RDNA2 in addition to the internal gpu. Especially if you do stuff like Maya. GPU rendering or 3d window stuff.

The least Apple can do this close to RDNA2 is offer a custome 5600 style 'M' for the iMac.

I'm a mac head. But I call out Apple when they say premium and don't do premium.

As for exact information on the RDNA1+ clocks. Probably 10% higher than the current RDNA1 is my guess. But it will be buried in Ray Tracing and efficiency and performance by RDNA2.

And that's the dilemma for iMac buyers. For Mac desktop buyers.

That's why I wanted my iMac to hold out until 'fall' this year. Because you could see that GPus, PCs, PS consoles etc plus the spectre of AS iMacs was going to form a cloud over any buying decision.

Hard to see, the future is...

Azrael.
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He makes a great point here...which I feel is at the heart of the Intel legacy vs the Mac ARM debate.

'People confuse fast with smooth.'

And that's where the AS is going to give the Intel a sound thrashing. The beating of a life time.

ie. 3 4k streams. 10 million polygon shaded Maya scene....1080 Tomb Raider... 'Smoothly.' It's not always about raw monolithic speed.

See GPU future with chiplet future? And the SoC is where that kind of thinking is going.

It's about the experience. And Apple have chops in that regard. I have to give them that. That's why I 'do' Mac OS.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

Not a big fan of all that LED blinking and alike.

What would be the most important to me would be that everything works reliably. Adobe and Updates, Final Cut and Updates... no funny business. The machine is meant to be for professional work, can't risk some hickup disturbing my workflow for a day or more.

I hear you.

I don't get this retro 80s LED 'bling' on PC builds these days. To me? It's tacky. I thought it was a joke when I first saw it. But it seems very popular at the moment to have 'bling' rainbows on your memory sticks and cooling fans.

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Perhaps this will be more to your liking. It is to me. Love......ly.

Classic vs Aggressive Grater design fronts.

In fact, Overclockers UK (I think...) will allow you to send them the case of your choice and build you teh PC you want.

As for it working professionally. That was an early concern of Hack builds.

However...Snazzy Labs and Morgonaut are adamant that these things are less of an issue.

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(Adobe suite np?)

Take your pick.

Loads of vids. From getting Hack wireless and blue tooth working. Dual boot. Does plenty of AMD/Intel work set ups. Virtual work set ups. Budget vs Mac Pro cost comparisons. Pro-app set ups.

Snazzy.

Sure. I do like that Apple 'does it all for you.' And that was worth a 20% premium under Jobs.

But Mac Towers that offer low end pc performance for £6k? Mac OS isn't worth that price. That's crazy hubris marketing speak. Voodoo marketing.

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Shanee is very helpful and offers advice and compatability advice. Decent forums too.

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Not a big fan of all that LED blinking and alike.

What would be the most important to me would be that everything works reliably. Adobe and Updates, Final Cut and Updates... no funny business. The machine is meant to be for professional work, can't risk some hickup disturbing my workflow for a day or more.

I think the latest Hack' stuff can handle updates. Adobe runs fine. Logic plug ins a plenty.

Again, check out the latest videos from those links and the AMD 'open' forums linked. I think because the latest AMD approach is very specific it will allow less hiccups re: updates etc.

Delicious ironies.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

This PC building reminds my old days when I used to do the same.

Unfortunately I can't bring myself back to the windows madness where you spend most of your time maintaining the computer for it just to work. And with AS now, there will not be anything else worth it as Apple will trash every competitor. No one will have the same power, features etc. as no one will be able to compete on the overall package.
The game is pretty much over and unless Apple doesn't misstep somewhere they have just created a monopoly right here right now.
I think Intel is done and I would dare to say that x86 might be done also. Of course time will tell but at this point, Apple created a history and we will all look back to this event and point to it as where things went right (and wrong for Intel).

NOONE!!!! Will be able to match what Apple is about to build. No one has the budget and talent. Just look at MS - they had tons of money and still weren't able to match Apple in pretty much anything. Sure, the studio looks good but MS doesn't get what the game is all about. Their phone failed, their tablet is a fail and their computers are almost none. Every hardware product MS put out there was a fail. And MS was probably the only competitor with the budget that could compete.

So now, Apple put an end to this and from this point we will probably all be Apple eventually. Its exciting but also super dangerous. We shall see how Apple handles it but AS is the biggest thing and I think we have no idea how amazing the ride will be. I'm excited more than a kid at xmas - its just that huge of a deal. This is history everyone!

Eloquently said.

The Death Star is moving into position.

I think Apple AS is aiming for 50-100% faster. This will mean their ARM cpus will run Intel programs faster than Mac Intel.

When the price value proposition is crystal clear then buying decisions can be made. When Intel iMac. When ARM iMac. When RDNA2 hits. What the price fall out of all that is.

Buying Mac desktop now a non-starter for me as many others I suspect. But it's future looks a whole lot brighter. But it's half a year (or more) away a-starting. Unfortunately for anyone whose machine is dead or dying a slow death.

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I think prices for the 5700XT are going to take a hit with RDNA2 imminent. It's about 7 weeks from RDNA2 launch?

Azrael.

 

[iindigo]

Re: hackintoshing, I've been doing it for a bit over a decade now, alongside owning real Macs. My first was a C2D tower I built for a friend who wanted a Mac but couldn't afford it, and the second was for myself — an old dell workstation laptop that had a 1920x1200 15" screen, a non-undervolted GPU, and way more ports and more robust cooling system than could be found on any MacBook of the era.

These days I run a Skylake box w/Catalina. Mostly works well, aside from a couple of quirks (one of which I think has to do with the mobo).

I'd build another hackintosh, but I get paid to do iOS development, and doing that on a hackintosh tower feels shaky. I've been keeping my dev work to an 2017 MacBook Pro to stay clean, and therein lies to the issue. I want desktop level power for my day to day work, and a refreshed 27" iMac (or barring that, a Mac Pro) fit the bill for that.

As for AMD hacks, they're cool but they absolutely still have issues. They can't run VMWare, Parallels, or (normal) Docker due to all of those being built exclusively for Intel virtualization tech, which means that virtualization has to be done with the considerably slower Virtualbox. Similarly, Docker can only be run with the slower Virtualbox based version. AMD hacks also have issues with GPU throughput (varying by motherboard/config) compared to their Intel cousins, among other things.

If one does choose to take the road of building a hackintosh, be aware that there are a growing number of sources that repackage community-made open source tools and configs and present them as their own. Most of the people actually writing the software that make hackintoshing possible hang out at r/hackintosh/ and InsanelyMac.

 

[Azrael9]

Thank you for the insight, Indigo.

I'll check out the links.

Can you run bootcamp via a Hackintosh?

Azrael.

 

[iindigo]

If you mean booting multiple OSes, yes you can. You don't use macOS' facilities for that though — it's just bog standard multi-booting. The two main bootloaders in the hack-verse (OpenCore, newer, faster, and more capable and Clover, older and clunkier but more documented) can see both operating systems on secondary partitions and across multiple drives and will let you choose which to boot. OpenCore goes the extra mile by reading the NVRAM boot disk preference set in the Startup Disk control panel and booting from that.

Personally, I recommend the multi-drive approach… drives are cheap, all motherboards have 6+ SATA ports (and some multiple m.2 NVMe slots), so there's no need to go through the extra pain of trying to house multiple systems on one drives if you're building a hack tower. It's way easier to do multiple drives because you can let OS installers do whatever they want on each, plus if something ever goes wrong with your bootloader you can always restart, hit F12, and boot your rescue OS directly with the BIOS level boot menu (similar to holding down Option on Macs).

 

[Spungoflex]

He makes a very good case. I strongly think this is what we will see later this autumn. I wonder if the GPU need to so strong with all hardware encoded functions in AS like neural engine and encoders. These will offload the GPU tremendously for specific tasks. Does not help 4k gaming though.
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Artist using Wacom for their work is the ones that should have a say here as they are the target market. There are not so few people in the iPad forum discussing larger iPads (even 27 inch) because they think the canvas of the 12.9 is not large enough for their work. A 24 inch iMac would work well assuming a good repositioning mechanism of the screen.

I could use pencil support for some tasks I do like producing lecture videos. The 12.9 is too cramped to write on unless I zoom. The latter is not good for learning because the overview is lost. A 24 inch for brainstorming sessions with pencil, yeah!

That is such a tiny niche market. Does it make sense to pour all of your engineering resources into designing the iMac to appeal to so few people?

No average user has any interest at all in drawing on their desktop computer screen. You’d need to essentially design the iMac *for that purpose* to make it work.

The whole thing just doesn’t make sense to me. The surface studio isn’t exactly setting sales records.

 

[Azrael9]

If you mean booting multiple OSes, yes you can. You don't use macOS' facilities for that though — it's just bog standard multi-booting. The two main bootloaders in the hack-verse (OpenCore, newer, faster, and more capable and Clover, older and clunkier but more documented) can see both operating systems on secondary partitions and across multiple drives and will let you choose which to boot. OpenCore goes the extra mile by reading the NVRAM boot disk preference set in the Startup Disk control panel and booting from that.

Personally, I recommend the multi-drive approach… drives are cheap, all motherboards have 6+ SATA ports (and some multiple m.2 NVMe slots), so there's no need to go through the extra pain of trying to house multiple systems on one drives if you're building a hack tower. It's way easier to do multiple drives because you can let OS installers do whatever they want on each, plus if something ever goes wrong with your bootloader you can always restart, hit F12, and boot your rescue OS directly with the BIOS level boot menu (similar to holding down Option on Macs).

Thank you for the thorough reply.

That is useful to know and makes complete sense. Especially for a a multi-OS work environment computer.

I'm still tempted by the £££, hardware flexibility and dual boot OS argument of a Hack' plus the challenge of doing it. I always wanted to give it a try.

And it is easier than ever...but obviously not bullet proof. And has some (AMD wise...) caveats.

Azrael.
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He makes a very good case. I strongly think this is what we will see later this autumn. I wonder if the GPU need to so strong with all hardware encoded functions in AS like neural engine and encoders. These will offload the GPU tremendously for specific tasks. Does not help 4k gaming though.
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Artist using Wacom for their work is the ones that should have a say here as they are the target market. There are not so few people in the iPad forum discussing larger iPads (even 27 inch) because they think the canvas of the 12.9 is not large enough for their work. A 24 inch iMac would work well assuming a good repositioning mechanism of the screen.

I could use pencil support for some tasks I do like producing lecture videos. The 12.9 is too cramped to write on unless I zoom. The latter is not good for learning because the overview is lost. A 24 inch for brainstorming sessions with pencil, yeah!

I missed this one. But a good post.

ERm. Larger iPad. Mac Os ARM. Full Fat Mac OS rumours running on iPhone?

It all suggests convergence. Mac coming closer to iOS. iPad coming closer to Mac OS. And AS hardware making it all rather very academic.

Some kind of hybrid full fat touch Mac is coming. Why? Because Apple implied 'no, not ever...' by ruling out iPad and Mac computer convergence. When, to the contrary it is happening. In front of us.

A Wacom 24 or 32 inch work tablet is something and the rest. With a price to match. £2k for a 24 inch version? I could go for that. Lusted after one for years. However? 4k is great...but with a fan blowing every so often? That puts me off. Fan blow. 'No.'

As for larger iPads. That's what I see the iMac AS ARM being one day. It seems inevitable. Either iPad gets larger or the Mac with an I gets touch. And/or a new product goes in the middle of that argument. And you know Apple are going to do 'Surface' right because 'Apple.'

All those iPad won't get a Stylus arguments, they won't make a bigger iMac...(fruit days of yore...), they won't make a phone...won't make a pad...won't do a cpu...won't charge 6 k for a tower....won't charge 700 bucks for wheels...(they'll never go into the wheels market...) never go into the car market never, never...Insert blank...never socks...

The iMac 24 incher could be a great surface style product. Whether that's finger touch or just added Apple Pencil (please the latter...) or both. An iPad at 16 inch and an iMac 24 inch touch fill the 'gaps' in this digital artist market. I wouldn't have to even consider Wacom at all.

Between those two ideas...the creative artist would be in heaven.

Sooner or later Surface Studio style products are going to get cheaper. There is a fixation of 13-15 inch products for £1000-£2500 right now. Which is 'meh' value for touch/drawing.

I think the iPad 12.9 inch is the best value at £1k right now. I'd like it back to its former price points. It's gone from £575 here in the uk right up to £1k.

Azrael.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

That is such a tiny niche market. Does it make sense to pour all of your engineering resources into designing the iMac to appeal to so few people?

No average user has any interest at all in drawing on their desktop computer screen. You’d need to essentially design the iMac *for that purpose* to make it work.

The whole thing just doesn’t make sense to me. The surface studio isn’t exactly setting sales records.

It's not a case of making it apply to few people but to make it apply to even more people.

That's why the iMac has gotten bigger screens, improved it's specs over the years.

So the machine that could barely do photoshop can now. So the machine that could never do video that well. Can now. So the machine that could barely game is decent right now. The last significant area is 3d rendering and preview windows. And with the latest 'new' pending iMac it should have that covered at a more mainstream price than the iMac Pro.

As for drawing on your desktop? Why not? Windows has touch everything now. Their design leading Surface Studio makes the imac look prehistoric. It's a great design that just needs to be pushed into a more mainstream price point. Say...

£1k LESS!

And then the specs get nudged forwards. The 'drawing' hardware on it is impressive. The design is great. But the specs. Are yes, meh. But as we get smaller die sizes...teh specs can improve. With AS ARM, that would be a helluva lot better on 'Mac.' And with the move to AS, that facility to include Apple Pencil on the creative machine of choice (Macs...) is only more likely.

The Surface Studio's sales figures don't mean Apple won't enter a market and do it right. See iPad 12.9 and Apple Pencil. (Beat that, Wacom.)

With FInal Cut and Logic coming to iPad...I'd suggest you'd need a bigger iPad for those apps....

...or a touch 24 inch iMac.

As an interim. It's iPad (an iMac without a stand...) 12.9 and 'side car.' Cos Apple likes to sell you both devices.

But that doesn't mean that Macs won't get touch or iPads won't get Biggurrr.

Azrael.

 

[Andrea Filippini]

It is kind of time for me to update my 2011 iMac, but I don't need a new one right now.

I use my iMac mainly for webdevelopment, but I occasionally like to play games (but mostly AAA-titles on Windows, not the casual stuff).

I thought hard about upgrading my iMac to the 2019 one, but it feels to me this was a minor update and also that a redesign is around the corner (expecting 2020, maybe earlier, it happened before).

When a redesign happens, I expect:

• Smaller bezels (as all new Apple's products have)
• Improved display (but not expecting XDR display level)
• SSD by default, starting with 256GB, no more fusion drive
• T2 chip, or possibly T3
• FaceID or TouchID
• 10th generation intel
• AMD Navi GPU
• 16GB RAM by default (possibly not upgradeable anymore)

Some people are predicting Apple to switch to ARM processors in 2020. If this would be the case, gaming on Windows would be impossible right as far as I know.

Surely SSD (minimum speed 2500 MB/s write/read) by default is necessary in 2020.
16 GB Ram by default also is deserved.
Sincerely all the rest is already pretty good.


Best regards
Andrea Filippini

 

[Kjs100]

It's not a question of if touch comes to Macs but when. I see touch as complimenting a mouse on an iMac, in the same way the keyboard or mouse can be used by an ipad. Jason Snell article :-

"...Is it so far fetched to believe that, eventually, the Mac and the iPad will be a distinction without a difference? If you handed me an iPad and told me that if I attached it to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse it would work more or less like a Mac, would it be a Mac?

Today the answer is no—the iPad is distinct from the Mac, and both have their strengths and weaknesses. But will that be true after five more years of hardware, software, and App Store development? By the end of this decade, the Mac may be nothing but a particular use mode, defined more by the shape of the device it’s running on and the kinds of input devices used to control it.

By the time that happens, if we’re lucky (and if Apple executes its plans smoothly), it will be a distinction without a difference..."

The Mac’s future is on a collision course with the iPad

Whatu2019s a Mac, anyway? Appleu2019s WWDC announcements make us wonder.

www.macworld.com

But that doesn't mean that Macs won't get touch or iPads won't get Biggurrr.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

I feel like the almost 13 inch iPad Pro with keyboard/touchpad pretty much is the first arm Mac and it has touch. Wait till macos crosses over fully and boom 💥.

 

[Rbfinch570]

So are we betting this is the week ladies and gentlemen? Or will it be another flop?

 

[Kjs100]

So are we betting this is the week ladies and gentlemen? Or will it be another flop?

If it's not this week then next. If not by then, I think the rumour of a Sept intel become increasingly more believable.