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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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I liked the new, fresher design language of Big Sur and standardising the language with the phone and pad makes sense. The Mac just seemed abit of a hot potch of pervious evolutions of the last ten years and needed a complete 'common' or unified makeover.

Seriously it's looking great ! Except this battery in the System Preference ... Damn ... They totally missed it.
 
I hated Big Sur preview. I was all cool at first, but then...Most incompatible OS I have ever used, yeah beta and all, but still... only downside to buying a new imac after BS is out is youre likley stuck on BS.. Never thought I'd be downgrading back to catalina..
 
What makes you think you will have go go AS in two years?

Well, I don't know. That's the thing, nobody knows how the transition will play out — it could end up being that there's such a significant power gap between the first "pro" AS-based Macs and current Intel Macs that not upgrading incurs a significant cost. This seems particularly likely for developers depending on the Apple dev toolchain (Xcode, LLVM, etc) where Apple can and probably will optimize the whole chain to take advantage of Apple Silicon exclusive features, making them work in ways that wouldn't have been practical on Intel CPUs.

Additionally, I can see it being a real boon for a mobile developer to have their dev machine be the same architecture as the platforms they're targeting. In the future, Xcode will likely be able to run and debug iOS apps under development without even needing the simulator (they just launch the same way Mac apps do). Android development could benefit too, if macOS' virtualization support is leveraged.

I‘m still curious to see how long it will take for all Pro software to get rewritten and optimized for the new architecture. And if all software really makes it or some niche ones will just stop Mac support because if that.

Very few pro grade apps have hard dependencies on x86. They all have optimizations for it, but those vary even between Intel and AMD and as such can be switched off. Getting an acceptably performing ARM port running will not be difficult in most cases… even the more complicated cases are like a month's worth of work for 2-3 engineers.

It might take longer for AS-optimized builds of these apps to appear, but then again maybe not, because any app that links against macOS' Accelerate.framework (which abstracts these things between archs) will get a lot of that for free.
 
3 Aug - 10 Aug - (this year...)

Is the date for a 'last year so 2019' iMac. Based upon a 'mock' order I put together (don't worry, I'm not crazy enough to order that overpriced piece of 'last year.')

So an order would be a month out for BTO.

Seems like a July update to me. But we've been saying 'this is the month' for a while now.

Azrael.
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Seriously it's looking great ! Except this battery in the System Preference ... Damn ... They totally missed it.

Yes. They've copped a bit of noise over the lime pie battery icon. ;)

Azrael.
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Well, I don't know. That's the thing, nobody knows how the transition will play out — it could end up being that there's such a significant power gap between the first "pro" AS-based Macs and current Intel Macs that not upgrading incurs a significant cost. This seems particularly likely for developers depending on the Apple dev toolchain (Xcode, LLVM, etc) where Apple can and probably will optimize the whole chain to take advantage of Apple Silicon exclusive features, making them work in ways that wouldn't have been practical on Intel CPUs.

Additionally, I can see it being a real boon for a mobile developer to have their dev machine be the same architecture as the platforms they're targeting. In the future, Xcode will likely be able to run and debug iOS apps under development without even needing the simulator (they just launch the same way Mac apps do). Android development could benefit too, if macOS' virtualization support is leveraged.

I think you've nailed it there. It's not just about 'raw' speed of AS. But it will be about co-processors. The optimisation of the software stack against the AS hardware.

Indirect speed boosts that will add up. Software stack efficiency. Software threads for Hardware 'threads' (co-processors) which will give an overall much smoother product.

Even on consumer level 'Macs.'

Azrael.
 
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I hated Big Sur preview. I was all cool at first, but then...Most incompatible OS I have ever used, yeah beta and all, but still... only downside to buying a new imac after BS is out is youre likley stuck on BS.. Never thought I'd be downgrading back to catalina..

I just started to use it, but as of now, all my apps are working fine. Except GIMP.
 
I just started to use it, but as of now, all my apps are working fine. Except GIMP.

Have you tried Affinity Photo? Was recently in a 'lock down' sale at £28. Currently £54 or something like that.

Still a bargain though. Loads of tutorials for it.

Azrael.
 
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The SKUs that take an order into September are only when a 2TB or 3TB HDD are part of the build. If the highest end 5K is selected and then upgrade the 2TB HDD to any SSD, it takes delivery forward to 5th Aug. So, somethings up with the stock of HDD... either they can't get them in on time, or perhaps they no longer want them ordered in bulk and the next 5K iMac really is all SSD?
 
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Actually, in Canada, stock models are September but ANY change will take it to August. Its just super weird.
Even when you change they keyboard it will switch.
So basically, any BTO will arrive faster than the stock one :)

The SKUs that take an order into September are only when a 2TB or 3TB HDD are part of the build. If the highest end 5K is selected and then upgrade the 2TB HDD to any SSD, it takes delivery forward to 5th Aug. So, somethings up with the stock of HDD... either they can't get them in on time, or perhaps they no longer want them ordered in bulk and the next 5K iMac really is all SSD?
 
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I decided to see what the shipping estimate is for me and it comes to mid to late September. This has gone sideways!!!
oh wow you aren't kidding...Literally yesterday it was August 18th-25th, and now it's September 9th-16th.....

That big of an increase in one day?

Is Covid slowing it that bad, or does that mean the announcement is coming in August?
 
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Is Covid slowing it that bad, or does that mean the announcement is coming in August?

I'm inclined to believe it is COVID. Someone in another thread noted their iMac (US delivery) just shipped from the Ireland factory, which I believe is normally dedicated to UK and EU.
 
There is an ireland factory? I thought they just abuse the ireland warehouse to pay no taxes for EU shipments. Probably they are just sending whatever is left from wherever it is to people.
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The thing is, even if there are issues with the production, wich we have no proof of because everything else apple builds is shipping just fine.... why don't they just flip to the new machine, say supply is limited... but at least let us order. It's not that this did not happen prominently with iPhone or even some computers in the past.
 
Alright, if there's a release this week - it'd most likely be today right? Tuesday and it's also 2 weeks after WWDC (as per their biweekly-ish, inofficial announcement/release schedule. If not today, I won't get my hopes up for atleast another 2 weeks
 
You could argue pretty much any "Monday to Wednesday" of this month depending in if it's 14 days, 30 days, the WWDC keynote, WWDC lasting till Friday...
 
Did see a few comments today around twitter saying that Apple is having production issues and no new Macs until September. Dunno if that applies to Intel stuff though.
 
I bring you the first ARM Apple Product with Desktop OS. It's running Windows.

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Did see a few comments today around twitter saying that Apple is having production issues and no new Macs until September. Dunno if that applies to Intel stuff though.

There was just one leaker that by now admitted he is just as clueless as us.
 
That is so weird: UK 27" iMacs ready on the first week of September.... but if you select a BTO, it goes back to the first week of August...
I'm pretty sure it is imminent.
 
That is so weird: UK 27" iMacs ready on the first week of September.... but if you select a BTO, it goes back to the first week of August...
I'm pretty sure it is imminent.

8-9 weeks even for Stock 27in where I am. 21.5 in stock.
 
Every time someone talked about delivery times, I checked the ones here in the Netherlands, but they were always about 2-4 weeks.

Not this time though. Also saying 2 - 9 september now, BTO = 4 - 11 august. So there's definitely something up.

Edit: Oh lol this was on the front page yesterday:
 
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How hard is it for Apple to give its customers a heads up of upcoming products, not vague "it's in the pipeline". I've been with Apple a long time and this crap is starting to getting annoying. The customer is constantly performing guess work when they want to buy a new product.
 
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